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Is A.I. waiting to take over ?

Stating that a heirachy exists does not infer that appropriate logic was used to create that heirachy.

sure. it doesn't imply it either :)

but i don't believe i argued that it does.

Understading is the process of applying the appropriate logic when classifying information.

great. so if you take that definition of understanding and your definition of intelligence ("Intelligence is understanding how to classify a statement as wisdom, knowledge, information or data.") and combine them, your definition of intelligence is:

"Intelligence is the process of applying the appropriate logic when classifying a statement as wisdom, knowledge, information or data."

i'd say, by that definition, a.i. is certainly intelligent.

alasdair
 
Well, we will agree to differ.

I have always thought of AI heirachy being akin to naïve set theory which can give rise to paradoxes. I know Russell used the simplest example to explain his paradox but the problem isn't limited to that one example.

The way that the paradox was removed was by removing unrestricted comprehention and the introduction of the axiom of choice.

A far more mundane issue for me is that natural languages can produce syntactically perfect yet ambiguous sentences which is a product of natural languages themselves not being precice. I'm not pointing at AI on that. I'm only too well aquainted with examples written by people which in theory should have been checked by an editor.

I believe long ago I said one major improvement would be for AI to push back against ambiguity. So I've not just invented it just now to support my view.
 
i can agree to differ but i would love to hear why you believe that a.i. is not capable of "applying the appropriate logic when classifying a statement as wisdom, knowledge, information or data."

i'd argue that a.i. is not just capable of it, it actually excels at it.

using your terms, for data, information and knowledge, i think a.i. does it better than humans, particularly in terms of consistency and speed.

the classification of wisdom is a little less clear to me. i think a.i. can recognise and describe wisdom reasonably accurately but whether it can apply it, i'm not sure.

alasdair
 
I believe long ago I said one major improvement would be for AI to push back against ambiguity.

i missed this.

you can address this in your prompting.

try something like: from now on, if my prompt lacks specific details like target audience, format, or scope, point out the ambiguity and ask me to clarify first. alternately, ask me three direct, clarifying questions before you respond

you can also explicitly define the mode (the type of interaction you need). try something like: act as a critical manager who values precision and resource efficiency.do not just nod along or guess what I mean

alasdair
 
Ah, OK. It shows how little time I've spent using them.

Maybe I was just unlucky because you may have noted that I long ago I asked what in essence what was a simple 'does A = B?' to be told that with absolute certainty it was true and provided citations to show it to be true. Then I simply reversed the order and asked 'does B = A?' to be told with the same level of certainty that the case was false and provided citations that likewise showed it to be false.

Now I really have no idea what happened there. I can only guess that first it checks everything it knows about A and then context provided in A led to it concluding that B was indeed the same and the opposite way around the context provided by B led to the different conclusion.

But again, any articles are at least in theory behind a paywall so if I'm honest, I'm unsure how it would know either way.

Which is why (and again I said this long ago), maybe wisdom is saying 'evidence does permit a simple closed answer' and go on to provide all of the data so a person could see 'the working'.

Cornering AIs into closed answers is generally how I force them into admitting defeat. I mean, I can only guess they admitted defeat because without a by your leave they chucked me out. I didn't swear or scream but for whatever reasons, if a question is closed and an AI is cornered, this appears to be how it's wired at the moment.

I didn't tell it I had in fact conducted experiments so I KNEW the answer, I was just curious to see if it would replace experimentation. I sensed not.

Again, I did say I saw the future in which far more specific but high-quality data-sets would likely be needed and that it seems likely that sooner rather than later a student will need to buy or subscribe to a niche data-set and how several subjects would have overlapping data-sets as fields of research don't have sharp-edges. I even suggested one way an AI could genuinely do better than a person was to fund Retraction Watch (it's two blokes in a small office so I sense this wouldn't cost a fortune) so that students wouldn't waste time reading retracted papers. In fact I went futher and suggested it could calculate a 'veracity value' for each paper i.e. retracted obviously means 0 but a paper that cites it along with 32 other sources might only lose 3% and so on down the stack. Something people are very bad at, that a computer would be very good at and would genuinely mean the user is using the best evidence.

I'm in no way against the technology, I simply think the name is a misnomer and how it's currently set up is what we used to term 'investor settings'. If I ask an ambigious question I don't want it to guess, I want it to push back pointing out ambiguity.
 
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this may be the key.

the pace at which a.i. is improving is difficult to overstate.

compare it to the early internet which seemed to transform everything within the space of a decade or two. a.i. is moving considerably faster. the internet of 1995 and the internet of 2005 were meaningfully different. the a.i. of 2021 and the ai of 2026 are almost unrecognisably different. and the rate of improvement is increasing.

alasdair
 
This is probably a throwaway post but I saw some thing about how A.I solved the mystery of the dyatlov pass incident. I have been interested in this for years and if you are familiar with the situation an explanation is tough to come by...So I figured I'd watch and see what A.I had to say...

basically it just took the theories that already exist and decided which one was most probable --- most probable in this case still feels very very implausible.

Disappointing to see that it came up with no new theory; nothing remotely ORIGINAL. I keep landing on that word ....

Does A.I -- Has A.I done anything original? (now you gunna ask me to define original and im gunna have a tough time)
 
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