Irresponsible Youth..

Genetic Freak

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Is it me or has anyone else noticed how young steroid users are getting in recent years..?

18-19 seems to be the norm. When I was a lad reaching a natural potential through training and good diet was what we aspired to, I would be surprised if anyone of 19 has achieved this.

When comparing body weight and maximum lifts it seems these kids are cycling just to attain natural or sub-natural gains whilst being on gear, 500mg/week seems to be standard for a first cycle, then ramping up to almost a gram for a 2nd cycle, to look normal with piss weak lifts..

I’ve just found my old training book, as a 19-20yr old (no gear) 310lbs bench, 440lbs squat, 480lbs dead.. A couple of years later with 25mg/day Anavar; dead went up to 600lbs..

We had nowhere near the amount of available knowledge on diet/nutrition and training these kids today have, and piss all on hormone use..

Whether the endocrine systems hormonal set-point is predetermined in DNA, or constantly re-evaluated throughout puberty I wouldn’t like to guess?

When Test finally does peak at around 21, which it will, I wonder if that peak will be significantly reduced compared to others of their age, had they held off cycling?

Steroids have very peculiar and most of the time dangerous effects on adolescents. Through aromatizing into estrogen, they cause the epiphysis (growth plates) to calcify (close) which will leave a person unable to grow any taller.

They also interrupt the hormonal balance of the body, and during puberty these hormones are very critical to proper body development..

Might we be soon faced with an epidemic of young men in their mid-20’s with testosterone levels of a pubescent girl, in need of TRT for the rest of their lives? With the ensuing legislative response from government cracking down on everyone, because of an irresponsible and impatient few..?
 
This is a distinct possibility; but its nothing new look at old Daedalus told his boy not to fly too high damn wings where only wax and feathers...

But on the serious side, I started at around 24, lil too young if i had to do it over I would have waited a year or two more but, as you said 18-19 is just madness the long term effects can start to mount especially when you look at the haphazard way they run things, and the sheer need to jump to huge cycles thinking they can skip the basics. But hey we all stumble on our first try.
 
Genetic Freak said:
When Test finally does peak at around 21, which it will, I wonder if that peak will be significantly reduced compared to others of their age, had they held off cycling?
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Your thread is spot on GF.

But, I didn't have very high T ages 17-20 (got it checked numerous times - always completely average). Now, at 23 and completely off anything, my recent a couple weeks ago had free test levels of 1027... don't really know where I'm going with this, but I may circle back to this point later


But again, you are so right in regards to their illegitimate stance. Foundational and relatively correct knowledge about BB'ing is abundant (it is literally at their fingertips technologically speaking). It is a true shame they chose to learn the aches of AAS before they even learn the hard aches about proper lifting/diet.

Generation of instant gratification.
 
There is evidence to suggest gonadal steroids regulate neural function and behaviour, in particular when the estrogen-testosterone ratio is out of whack this effects vesicular levels of serotonin and other neurotransmitters with subsequent depression and suicidal idealization..

Not looking forward to a future of dysfunctional hormonally imbalanced, suicidally violent, cry-babys, with the strength and physiques of teenage girls...
 
It's fucking disgusting if you ask me. What I have seen as well is that you have many steroid users using steroids to put on mass you would otherwise be able to gain naturally, but primarily using the steroids to maintain a super low body fat. Zyzz and Chestbrah (two faggots) are a prime example of this.

What pisses me off is many of these young guys fuck themselves up and there parents find out and then the parents blame steroids instead of their child's irresponsible use and abuse. Superdrol was banned becuse to many idiot kids decided to use it alone for obscene lengths of time and ended up impotent, fatigued, and with a inflamed liver.

Not to mention if their parents find steroids in the mail, the little faggot ends up giving away the source due to threats of homelessness and jail, then the parents give the information to law enforcement and a source providing gear primarily to responsible users and bodybuilders ends up busted or on the radar of the law.

Furthermore, most of these kids are using steroids to look good at the club. They take them in conjunction with recreational club drugs and end up dead or with health problems and the media blames steroids.
 
I made the mistake of using some 17a prohormones at a young age. I fucked up and realized it. However, I never did legitimate gear until I was 26. In between that fuck up, my drug addiction, and now I researched and studied steroids, hormones, biology, fitness, and pharmacuticals obsessively because I planned on one day doing it right when I had the proper resources, foundation, mindset, and knowledge.

What's worse is that many guys are either running oral only cycles or jumping on pro level cycles off the bat with no foundation. There is now reason to be running grams of gear when you are under 200 pounds. Hell, even 250 pounds is pushing it. And running grams of Test? No. Just no. HGH in a first cycle? No. Blast and cruising off the bat? No. No. No. No. NO! Many people are taking the words of gh15 out of context. He advocates blasting and cruising yes, and high amounts of gear. BUT YOU ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE A FOUNDATION AND EXPERIENCE. The blasts he advocates are big boy cycles, for experienced guys looking to go pro, not faggots trying to bang sluts at a rave or so you can take your shirt off at a club and dance tektonic to trance, house, and techno.
 
^Exactly, its a lack of knowledge and respect for what goes into the proper usage of AAS, and the general rush to have "it" now. No respect for the journey
 
Anyone notice that after their first (generally failed) cycle they suddenly become steroid experts giving out advice from "personal experience", lol
Then start dispensing advice on dosage to others...
We've an idiot over here on another forum, at 18 has started a first cycle 500mg Test + Dbol, couple of months later, 2nd cycle: ramps up to 900mg/week Test + Dbol + Tren..
Starting weight for 2nd cycle: 74kgs... lol Now he's extended cycle beyond planned finish date, staying on Test, now thinking he need 500mg/week Quote: "to hold on to muscle"....
This fucking idiot has won $100 worth of supplements for his cycle log........ The retard shouldn't have been cycling at all...? I give up...lol
 
My first cycle is going to be tren e 500mg/week with a-bombs 100mg/day. /sarcasm
 
I started well before I should have. Diet was poor and training was average. When the opportunity arose to do a cycle, I took it, without taking the time to weigh up benefit to costs. I knew i wanted to look better and I thought taking AAS would do that for me and to be honest it did..........till I came off, then back to square one. It was this point I knew these drugs weren't the magic bullet and now I had the now increased difficult task of learning how my diet and training needed to be controlled to get the result I needed. I had no idea what part of my regiment was accountable my gains or even my weak point. All this cycle did was throw a spanner in works for me learning how to control my body through proper diet and training.

It happens....people want to take the quick route and they often neglect the basics and resort to the path of maximum reward with the least input.

The very important difference between myself and the people who I see making the same mistake is scale on which they do it. 500mg a week of test first cycle is the accepted norm. Most even kick with an oral and a lot will run the cycle well past the intended finish. I even find myself thinking its ok. It's not, not at all. My first cycle was 6 weeks of Anavar 25mg a day and I grew like weed with poor diet and training. Why does someone need to quadruple this!?!?!?! I didn't get to 500mg a week till my 4th or 5th cycle and by then I had already a few years of training and had finally a decent understanding of how to eat to suit my goals.

I also think things are just too open these days. I have had a few conversations with young pups going on and on about their cycle and the gains they're making. I DON"T EVEN KNOW YOUR NAME!? WHY ARE YOU TELL ME THIS? I was (and still am) EMBARRASSED about my use, nobody knew about it. I didn't open up until I looked like I lifted and even then I only kept it to people who I trusted and who had a genuine reason to know about my use. It really concerns me the transparency of AAS in the gym culture, it attracts a lot of attention and it puts the quiet gym rat into an tough place when his packages get seized, his supplier is under surveillance and is now in constant ear shot of kids discussing their use.....
 
Hello Guys!
When we are the 15 or 25 years old we said that we are not irresponsible but if we are 30 and 35 years old we said that the youth are lazy and irresponsible.They said,we are not responsible for the bad things. You are need you personal development.
 
RPonting said:
Hello Guys!
When we are the 15 or 25 years old we said that we are not irresponsible but if we are 30 and 35 years old we said that the youth are lazy and irresponsible.They said,we are not responsible for the bad things. You are need you personal development.
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I was able to quit heroin but I can't understand what the fuck you just said.
 
RPonting said:
Hello Guys!
When we are the 15 or 25 years old we said that we are not irresponsible but if we are 30 and 35 years old we said that the youth are lazy and irresponsible.They said,we are not responsible for the bad things. You are need you personal development.
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Lol guido
Translation : when we are young, we deny our irresponsibility and when we become older we talk about the young people being irresponsible. Idk the rest
 
I did cycle as I was 16 , i am 30 today. between age of 18-22 I was on for four years straight blasting and cruising I was literally terrified of going off roids. however I went off with peptides,hcg,clomid,nolva,proviron and well I have to say it wasnt that tough for me, i didnt lose weight, my sexdrive was low for 3months but after 6months off I was back on good T levels bloodwork showed. I was fucking happy about that didnt cycle til I was 26 again and since then only done 2 cycles, still very good T levels. so in this case i have no idea what the fuck saved me but I really stretch out my arm youths shall not cycle, wait til 25 is my tip .
 
flyhighk said:
Lol guido
Translation : when we are young, we deny our irresponsibility and when we become older we talk about the young people being irresponsible. Idk the rest
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Fuck that shit. I never denied my faults and made the effort to overcome them.
 
-Guido- said:
Fuck that shit. I never denied my faults and made the effort to overcome them.
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I agree. I was a junkie, a piece of shit, a plague to my society, and now I'm bigger, healthier, stronger, than I was. I've overcome that shit, just like you, and I accept them. If we deny our past and our faults, we are doomed to repeat them.
 
Serotonin101 said:
I agree. I was a junkie, a piece of shit, a plague to my society, and now I'm bigger, healthier, stronger, than I was. I've overcome that shit, just like you, and I accept them. If we deny our past and our faults, we are doomed to repeat them.
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Been there myself, started after some knee surgery, liked the oxy a wee bit too much became a regular thing, then in quick order a serious issue... but i got past it took some hard as fuck work but every thing worth doing is hard. One thing I learned was that nothing is ever a mistake if you learn from it, faults are no exception. As long as you accept your faults AND learn from them you can get past any thing. But Serotonin you hit the nail on the head ; deny any part and your gonna repeat that shit ad nauseum.
 
Back on topic: Back in the day, when I was a lad we didn't have the educational resources you kids have now, but we had the sense to keep our mouths shut and didn't flaunt use, people suspected but didn't know for sure because it wasn't talked about, we enjoyed over 30 years, legislation free..

I believe because of a lack of patience from our younger generations, it may turn out shortly that we all lose out, when young men start becoming statistics, the accompanying legislation may take away what freedoms we took for granted for many decades...
 
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