Ireland - Is it time to take a chill pill and legalise marijuana?

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The Irish Times said:
Chances are, you know your 21 year-old son or daughter gets drunk. They do it in the college bar, get trollied at house parties, sneak a naggin into music festivals, the usual. You did it yourself. But what if they were smoking cannabis just as regularly?

For parents outraged by the thought of weed-smoking offspring, it might be time to take a chill pill. That’s what they’ve done in Colorado.

“It’s safer to get high than to get drunk,” says Mason Tvert, co-author of a book ‘Marijuana is Safer: So why are we driving people to drink?” Tvert co-directed the successful campaign that persuaded the people of Colorado to make recreational marijuana, like alcohol, legal for those over 21. Marijuana for medicinal use has been legal there since 2009.

In a vote that took place alongside the US Presidential election last November, more people in Colorado voted to legalise recreational marijuana that voted for Obama. Tvert attributes the campaign’s success to the fact that for Centennial State voters, the penny has dropped that marijuana is safer than alcohol. In his view, proscribing marijuana and not alcohol defies logic.
“Marijuana is less toxic, less addictive and less harmful for the body that alcohol and there is a great deal of evidence that alcohol contributes to violent behaviours and recklessness, whereas marijuana does not,” says Tvert.

Does marijuana contribute to overdose deaths, long-term health problems, violent crimes and serious injuries? ‘No’ says Tvert. But alcohol does.
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"Why are we driving people to drink?"
Because you can't tax and make billions off weed once it's legal.
Weed-dealing-related crime will fall for sure and people will start growing it in their bedrooms/gardens/basements. They won't be able to make any money off that but ofc we already know this here at BL %)
 
^ I don't see why some people think you can't tax it? It can be taxed. Sure you can grow it, but you can also grow tobacco and various other products that people buy. Most people can't be bothered and would rather just buy it from somewhere where they know the quality is already at a certain standard without them having to do much work at all to get it.
 
^ Are you still here?

Seriously?

To quote the article:

“Marijuana is less toxic, less addictive and less harmful for the body that alcohol and there is a great deal of evidence that alcohol contributes to violent behaviours and recklessness, whereas marijuana does not,” says Tvert.
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Nobody is saying smoking cannabis is a 100% safe now gtfo please.
 
rickolasnice said:
^ Are you still here?

Seriously?

To quote the article:



Nobody is saying smoking cannabis is a 100% safe now gtfo please.
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I know that already.

However, it's common knowledge that tobacco smoking and alcohol consumption are horrible for the body. Would you say that cigarettes are less harmful to the body and safer than alcohol? Nope. Both cigarettes and alcohol are very damaging to the body, just as bad, but in different ways.

Cannabis smokers are putting smoke into their bodies, which exposes them to many of the same health risks that tobacco smokers get. Therefore, it's not less harmful to the body than alcohol.
 
Elven Warriorr said:
However, it's common knowledge that tobacco smoking and alcohol consumption are horrible for the body. Would you say that cigarettes are less harmful to the body and safer than alcohol? Nope. Both cigarettes and alcohol are very damaging to the body, just as bad, but in different ways.

Cannabis smokers are putting smoke into their bodies, which exposes them to many of the same health risks that tobacco smokers get. Therefore, it's not less harmful to the body than alcohol.
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Elven Warrior, king of fallacies, your logic does not follow. Just because weed shares some health risks with tobacco doesn't mean it's as bad for your as tobacco or alcohol. I'm still not sure if your not just a troll because you derp all over bluelight.
 
f33lg00d said:
Elven Warrior, king of fallacies, your logic does not follow.
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What are your refutations to my arguments? I am not intentionally trying to be biased or anything like that, I am just comparing the health effects of tobacco usage (which are just as bad as the health effects of alcohol usage, but in a different way), to the health effects of cannabis usage (because both tobacco and cannabis usage involves smoking).
 
(because both tobacco and cannabis usage involves smoking).
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Yeah, but remember some people eat cannabis and also vap it, I dont think anyone does that with tobacco.
 
EW.. How bad consuming the smoke of anything is directly related to what is contained in the smoke and most likely how hot the smoke is as well. As tobacco smoke and cannabis smoke contain different chemicals your logic there is flawed if not almost a total fallacy. IMO smoking large amounts of cannabis smoke is detrimental in shared ways with cigarettes.. I really only need to look at some of my friends who smoke large amounts of grass but have never smoked cigarettes to see there's definitely some aspects shared. But the chemical make up of the smoke really needs to be considered.

But if you were to eat the cannabis instead then I would not consider this to be to detrimental at all to ones health and not even in the same universe as tobacco and alcohol.
 
neversickanymore said:
EW.. How bad consuming the smoke of anything is directly related to what is contained in the smoke and most likely how hot the smoke is as well. As tobacco smoke and cannabis smoke contain different chemicals your logic there is flawed if not almost a total fallacy. IMO smoking large amounts of cannabis smoke is detrimental in shared ways with cigarettes.. I really only need to look at some of my friends who smoke large amounts of grass but have never smoked cigarettes to see there's definitely some aspects shared. But the chemical make up of the smoke really needs to be considered.

But if you were to eat the cannabis instead then I would not consider this to detrimental at all to ones health and not even in the same universe as tobacco and alcohol.
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exactly
 
Hey ELVEN WARRIOR it's pretty obvious by this point your a 12 year old troll so how about you GTFO!!!! Or maybe I will just call your parents and let them know your going to druggie websites....
 
plmar said:
"Why are we driving people to drink?"
Because you can't tax and make billions off weed once it's legal.
Weed-dealing-related crime will fall for sure and people will start growing it in their bedrooms/gardens/basements. They won't be able to make any money off that but ofc we already know this here at BL %)
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You can definitely tax weed.
 
Haha...
Ive been to ireland a few times, and next to montreal in 2001 -2002 new years, i have never evar drank that much in my entire life. All i wanted in the morning was to be able to smoke a j. I would have taken just about anything at that point. At one place i did smell hash but never was able to find where it was coming from. So many run ins with ppl black out drunk, in shannon int air at like 11am there was a guy at the bar having a glass of whisky..idont mean a rocks glass, it was a pint glass half full of whisky lol. At that point i was switching from lucozade to all the other drinks just to stay alive it felt like. I dont see anyone convincing the irish that weed is in reality better for their health than booze lol
 
Being Irish and living here all my life, there is as much of a drug scene as there is an "alcohol" scene, stereotypes such above are baseless, the English, Germans and Polish drink more then we do. is every American a morbidly obese burger eating ignorant as you can get idiot?? No!

The scene in Ireland, even amongst people in senior positions in the government and law are getting more an more liberal as the years go on, Ireland loves its drugs, mainly cannabis, literally everyone i know smokes besides a few very old folks, 10 years time i can imagine it being a different place to be a smoker atleast.
 
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