Introspection with NBOMes

[JCRG]

Anyone know if it's possible to achieve this using said compounds? It is known that NBOMe's are very visual due to their 5HTA2 strong agonism, but haven't heard if introspection is any good while on them, since the affinity for other receptors isn't as high.

This is important since i'm looking forward to a "second" psychedelic experience, making emphasis on "second" because I'm not really sure whether the first one was a true psychedelic experience, because whatever it was taken caused more than anything a somewhat dissociated state, very weak visuals, and resulted in a mostly crummy/boring experience.

So this time, the objective is the complete package, strong visuals and good introspection.

And the inquire is about NBOMes, because, well, they're kind of legal around here. (Also, I believe that DOI and DOC haven't been booked in the country)

On a side note, is ego-loss related to introspection?


Kudos and peace.

 

[sean107]

Ego-loss in my experience is not related to introspection but can be a result of it maybe. And the only nbome I found to be introspective was 25d.

 

[SuperPsych]

My View on it? If this is going to be your first +++, then avoid the NBOMes. You want you're first strong trip to be special, and there are better options than NBOMes. I am not saying that the NBOMes are shitty drugs. They can be fun as hell and extremely visual, but they give me very little introspection. They can be pretty damn mindfucky (I have had a bad trip, thought loops, etc on 25b), but offer little introspection. Maybe equivalent to the introspection given by Cannabis. A fun, enjoyable experience, but nothing very special IMO.

Do pretty much any psychedelic first, THEN try an NBOMe

 

[Folley]

25i is probably the only psychedelic I've taken that made it HARDER to think. There really is no introspection, maybe a tiny bit but nowhere near LSD or mushrooms.



Honestly it's more of a visual empathogen than a classic psychedelic, the body high and visuals are what most people look for when they take 25i. If you want the classic psychedelic trip that everyone talks about, 25i probably isn't the right drug to be taking

 

[Yeetbeat]

On a high dose of 25i-NBOMe (and this instance was my first ever psychedelic trip), I felt as though I'd been launched into an alternative reality of sorts - it was partly from anxiety/paranoia, but I imagined as though my life had immediately taken a turn down a completely different route and what I once knew to be my "life" had been lost.

Not quite introspection, but it really did force me to think about the subject - which was disturbingly hard to do lol, as a poster above pointed out it's just a mindfuck of blankness. If you can fathom some sort of introspective though process, you'll spend the rest of the trip trying to make sense of ANY of it, likely in turn ruining it.

Without digressing further - with respects to 25i at the least, I wouldn't call anything it gives you true introspection. The common NBOMe compounds seem to be more of a party/fun trip than anything truly psychedelic, particularly 25i.



"These are not the phens you are looking for"

 

[JCRG]

Thank you everyone for sharing what you know, but is there any info regarding introspection with DOI/DOC?

 

[bridgesii]

I have had 25c-nbome many times with minimal introspection. Also just so some people know, 25c, b, and i nbome have been scheduled in the US.

 

[GolemGolem]

DOC is closer, and definitely more of a head-trip. It's speedy, for me anyway it made me more interested in things outside of myself, and doing things as opposed to figuring myself out. I'm thinking you'd like something like 4-aco-dmt, or if you could get it 2C-E is more what you're looking for.
For me personally, my introspective cocktail of first choice would be shrooms + MXE.

 

[JCRG]

Well, it's just that I'm still living with my parents, and I don't want them to suffer because of me doing illicit drugs, that's why I'm opting for the "strictly legal" stuff.

 

[GolemGolem]

Be careful there, more than the law I'd be worried about your parents walking in on you acting like a lunatic, or looking like an OD. That can freak a person out when they're not expecting it. Maybe if you have a safe place away from them, it might be a good idea...also all these research chemicals are more "kinda legal-ish" than "strictly legal", esp if you eat them.

4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-mipt, dpt, MXE these are the things I'd be looking for in research chems, and then proceeding with an abundance of caution.

 

[JCRG]

Of course I wouldn't consume them in MY house, but in a friend's (whom would also ask to be the trip sitter); and regarding tryptamines, well, I'm kinda skittish in buying them because the doses are high, and thus can't be obtained on blotters.