Intrathecal drug use???

[S'wayne]

I did a search and couldn't quite come up with anything. Apparently an intrathecal injection into the cerebrospinal fluid uses a much lower dose and has much more prolonged effects. I know they do this all the time in medicine, though I don't know all of the ins and outs. I can imagine it would be a terrible idea to mess around this way, and not something you could do to yourself I don't think. I imagine the risk of overdosing would be quite high, and I know they use a preservative free morphine, so with that in mind anything other than pure and sterile would probably give you meningitis or something terribly fatal.
Still given the risks many drug users take I would have to think people out there would be trying it to get way more bang for their buck. I refuse to believe people don't discuss it because they don't want to give anyone bad ideas, people discuss everything here. So there must be a really good reason why this doesn't seem to be done recreationally, it can't be due to lack of knowledge or resources because there are many users on the level of genius, and many users who are very resourceful.
Can anyone shed some light on why we never hear of intrathecal drug administration as a route of recreational use? If there is a more appropriate area to post this please move it to where it will get the best results....

 

[Addyman]

Isn't intrathecal another word for epidural?

 

[sekio]

So there must be a really good reason why this doesn't seem to be done recreationally,

Well, Let's check Wiki for the definitions.

As other example, an intrathecal injection (often simply called "intrathecal") is an injection into the spinal canal (intrathecal space surrounding the spinal cord), as in a spinal anaesthesia or in chemotherapy or pain management applications. This route is also used for some infections, particularly post-neurosurgical. The drug needs to be given this way to avoid the blood brain barrier.

Um, holy shit!

Even in hospitals with trained staff, dooctors don't do intrathecal injections "all the time". Normally you have to be outfitted with a little adapter that lets people inject shit into your spinal fluid (an intrathecal pump implanted by a skilled surgeon), and it's usually only used in end-of-life settings or for critical care where even IV treatment fails. As you stated, there is also an extreme risk of e.g. infection or other contamination of the CSF. I don't think I need to remind people that normally "benign" substances like e.g. glutamic acid or even an incorrect concentration of salt can be lethal if injected directly into brain tissue. The BBB is totally ignored here and even opioids like loperamide are active via ITh administration.

Given the current lack of clandestine surgery suites and notable impurity of street drugs, I think that the reason nobody does intrathecal drug injection is because IV usage of drugs is risky enough already. Nobody wants to risk severing their spinal nerves or getting meningitis because of a bad shot.

 

[BrainstormWithJace]

very dangerous to try and do and i would assume if done wrong could have severe consequences

 

[Violenza666]

That's some scary shit... makes my epidurals sound not as scary... Jesus fuck.

I certainly hope you're not trying to do this at home... Kind of like the warning on the show Jackass... Seriously.. no don't.

The Duramorph that was put in my spinal for my C section was all kinds of "fun"... then after the umbilical cord was severed the cool ass anastheiolgist was so badass he got me high for fun. That was fun. But as good as it all felt I would not try this crazy shit at home.

My epidurals for my back might even be worthwhile if they got me fucked up.. but with all that in mind there is a risk of paralysis and even death with that... Seriously do not do it.. I hope you're joking around but pain management dr's have enough trouble doing the shit with NSAIDS to other people.. The needle is so sharp it could literally sever your spinal chord. All it takes is one slip. Then you also run the risk of punturing the sack around the spinal chord casuing severe headaches that won't stop until you get them bpatched with blood so it clots to stop the leakage... How the fuck would you explain this to a dr and how would they fix you? This is seriously seriously dangerous and you shouldn't even put this idea in someone's head... Kind of like Richard Gere and the gerbal.

 

[S'wayne]

Ha I'm definitely not planning on doing this, I'm just wondering why there aren't hardcore dedicated junkies exploring this concept (If they are they got it under tight wraps). No offense, as a fellow user, but some people take insane risks in this community, and with all the crazy stuff some people do out there, I wouldn't figure messing with intrathecal administration to be too much of a long shot. As far as it not being common in medicine, I'm sorry, it's just common enough in my mind because I've seen the anaesthesia consent forms for this procedure at the hospital I work at. Though I'm sure it's relatively rare where I work too, reading that form is just what got me to do a little research, and wonder why I can't find anything about this being done illegitimately. I haven't looked up epidural in this regard, I think I was thinking that is just like a nerve block, I didn't know its similar to intrathecal. Or is it?

sekio thank you for the excellent response, but I still can't stop wondering why this isn't at least ever discussed, and again there are some crazy mofo's out there, I'm just surprised there seems to be no literature on the web or discussion on this...I mean some people will try anything...."Nobody wants to risk severing their spinal nerves or getting meningitis because of a bad shot. " Look what people already risk with a bad shot IV. I mean there isn't even any urban myths about this, it isn't that far out that a person in the money could choose this as a method of abuse with money to have it cleaned up and done right, or even having it done illegitimately by a medical professional. Maybe it's time for those "clandestine surgical suites"

 

[Violenza666]

It's not the same as an epidural... I'm just saying Epidurals are scary enough. Even if I got *that* bad off with my drug use I'd never try that shit.. Interesting post though.. I hope you didn't give anybody any ideas.

Ha I'm definitely not planning on doing this, I'm just wondering why there aren't hardcore crazy junkies all over this concept. No offense, as a fellow user, but some people take insane risks in this community, and with all the crazy stuff some people do out there, I wouldn't figure messing with intrathecal administration to be a long shot. As far as it not being common in medicine, I'm sorry, it's just common enough in my mind because I've seen the anaesthesia consent forms for this procedure at the hospital I work at, though that means nothing, I'm sure it's relatively rare where I work too, reading that form is just what got me to do a little research, and wonder why I can't find anything about this being done illegitimately. I haven't looked up epidural in this regard, I think I was thinking that is just like a nerve block, I didn't know it similar to intrathecal.

sekio thank you for the excellent response, but I still can't stop wondering why this isn't at least ever discussed, and again there are some crazy mofo's out there, I'm just surprised there seems to be no literature or discussion on this...I mean some people will try anything...."Nobody wants to risk severing their spinal nerves or getting meningitis because of a bad shot. " Look what people already risk with a bad shot IV. I mean there isn't even any urban myths about this, it isn't that far out that a person in the money could choose this as a method of abuse with money to have it cleaned up and done right, or even having it done illegitimately by a medical professional. Maybe it's time for those "clandestine surgical suites"

 

[S'wayne]

Well like I said, with the things discussed here, I can't imagine there to be an understanding amongst say administrators to remove this kind of stuff so noone gets bad ideas. I was almost worried about that, then I remembered what kind of crazy bad advice and misinformation can be spewed here, and again I'm trying to understand honestly why this isn't already being/having been discussed. There has to be some dedicated users out there who at least recognize this as probably the peak of possible administration methods minus the rush.

But let's issue a disclaimer we can all agree on. If you aren't a doctor or don't have one to do it, don't even THINK about fucking with this. And if you don't know enough anatomy and physiology to know what this is that is being talked about, you will have no idea how to even think about attempting such a thing.

 

[sekio]

I think a big plus of IV usage over intrathecal is self-administration. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that nobody can administer an intrathecal injection alone... Not without years of training, a lot of mirrors, double-jointed shoulders, and a gratuitious disrespect for your spine.

I also think that the damage to the spinal tissue/column would add up a lot faster, and have a greater cumulative damage overall, than simply blowing a vein or two.

To answer your post succintly, it's not discussed because it's a totally impractical method of drug administration that carries tremendous risks even when carried out by a medical professional.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

To answer your post succintly, it's not discussed because it's a totally impractical method of drug administration that carries tremendous risks even when carried out by a medical professional.

^a great note to end on.

S'wayne, any questions about this being close, give me a PM.