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Opioids Interesting Study Regarding Poppy Seeds and ?s

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TracMark4321

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Background: So I have a pretty large opiate tolerance gathered from doing heroin, oxy/hydro morphone, oxycodone, and morphine for many years. I have taken a 6 month break but still require a minimum of 80mg oxy to get to where I want to be. This has led me to experiment with PST as a cheaper possible alternative. So far using the common distilled water, lemon, shake method I have not been impressed with my results. Because of this I have been researching about poppy seeds and found this.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf60206a022

Now if you read the Table I's Methodology and then look at the table it seems to illustrate that there is significant amount of morphine and codeine not only on the surface of the seeds but inside them as well. This leads me to the thought that grinding the seeds would produce a more potent tea.

What do you guys think?

Secondly, I know that there are dangerous amounts of calcium and cadmium inside these seeds. Could one possibly pour PST through a standard brita filter to remove the cadmium? Or would doing so remove a significant amount of the actives?
 
Not sure if the Brita filter would work or not for that. I believe the cadmium is inside the seed so grinding them up would release more. I'd say just use more seeds, grinding them up will cause a big mess.
 
It might work, I don't know, however if you grind the seeds you'll end up consuming large amounts of latex and other crap- which is very bad for the constipation.

Completely unscientifically it's not worth it- you might end up with a bit extra morphine, but that will be outweighed by getting a whole load of extra crap you don't want.

And what the fuck is with this cadmium shit? A couple of threads with not a single shred of evidence and suddently people are talking about this like it's fact! Christ, this is like the Life of Brian. He's not the messiah and it is extremely unlikely that there is any cadmium in poppy seeds.
 
limonov I can't find the thread, but i remember someone posting a link that stated the supposed cadmium content. I never cared since I figured the cadmium would be inside the seeds not on the surface. If you could enlighten me on the cadmium content I'd be very grateful.

I am looking for a more definitive answer than the subjective response it is not worth it. Simply straining the mixture through a shirt prior the pouring it through the brita would remove most mess and latex. I just can't find an answer as to whether or not a brita would remove the actives. I know a brita
would remove any cadmium.

Now if you look at the seed source in the table you can clearly see that there is just as much morphine and codeine inside the seeds as on the surface of commercial seeds. For me this statement is enough of a reason for me to explore the possibility of ground poppy seed tea. Now I know you may not think it is worth it and you seem far more knowledgable than I am. But can you humor me, if you know if a brita would remove the actives out of the tea please let me know.
 
Ya thanks RTrain. So cadmium is in the seeds but a brita filter removes cadmium.

Now all that needs to be figured out is whether or not a brita removes morphine and codeine. And if anyone has any personal experience or scientific data that supports the find that there is significant morphine and codeine within the seeds.

It seems clear to me that if a brita doesn't remove the actives that grinding the seeds will drastically increase the strength of poppy seed tea thus making pst even cheaper than it already is. Also if one comes across washed seeds they could still get something out of them.
 
wow yeah! This realistically could make pst 50-75% more potent. Then poppy seeds will finally be worth it. I would blend them with brita water and lemon juice. Pour it threw a shirt then coffee filter then brita. Put it on a glass pyrex in the oven at 160 f so it evaporates but I dont loose the goodies. Then freeze the tar substance till I want to use it. Break off a piece mix it with a lil hot water and plug it. Could actually give me a chance to kick finally. Ty trac this is a huge find!:) woot woot
 
Thanks for the enthusiasm guavaman but we still haven't figured out if grinding the seeds is for sure stronger or if could be put the liquid through a brita. All the information we have regarding morphine and codeine content within the seeds is from my original link. We need to investigate further.

Using a shirt, coffee filter, then brita might help the brita not clog. Good idea. And the lemons are definitely needed.

I am not exactly sure where the heating of the tea and plugging it came from and am not sure if the heating thing would work at all. It could in theory world if we do indeed find that grinding the seeds and putting the liquid through a brita makes it stronger without exposing us to cadmium. I personally won't plug anything.

Thanks for the quick responses guys. Lets try and figure this out asap so I can go get some seeds.

Is there indeed morphine and codeine within the seeds and can morphine and codeine be strained through a brita filter?
 
According to the analysis on the report you referenced it appears there is indeed more morphine content inside the seeds. It shows the amounts they got when they extracted it. As far as your question of whether filtering with a Brita filter would end up removing the active product I'm not sure you are going to find an answer to that. You seem to feel sure that the filter would remove the cadmium (which would be dangerous if it didn't because another report states that poppy seeds contain the highest amount of any other known ingestible food product-so drinking large amounts of this would not be good). So if you feel certain as you state that the mixture would be cadmium free then why wouldn't you just do it and test the tea for strength. Once you drink it you can decide if you feel it is worth the extra work by the strength and extent of your buzz/high. If you don't feel anything or very little then you will have your answer.
 
Fair enough. I found on the brita website that the pitcher does remove cadmium. My friend said hell test it since he purchased over 20 lbs of seeds. Just thought maybe someone would have tried it.
 
I would give it a try!

I'm assuming you are not opiate naive right? Just for HR sake, you know.

For anyone else please just remember every batch of PST is different so start small and go slow.
 
And how do you propose it would filter out Cadmium and not the actives? AFAIK, the Brita filters work by simply filtering/straining things out in a physical manner. If the molecules are too big to pass through the medium, they stay behind. And opiate molecules are certainly larger than elemental cadmium.
 
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