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Opioids Insufflated Hydromorphone to Codeine Conversion.

Thomas29

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Since Insufflated ROA for Hydromorphone is not available on the Conversion Chart thing. If I can Snort 6mg of Hydromorphone all at once with no high just mild pain relief if anything how much Codeine can I take at once without nasty itchy nausea side Effects I think I took 400mg Last time if I did the CWE correctly that is lol. Think I would be good to take 500MG in one Swig?
 
The oral BA of hydromorphone(35%) is used on the conversion charts. Insufflated hydromorphone has a BA around 50-60%, so you can resolve the dosing issue with simple algebra.

I wouldn't take that much codeine unless you want to be itching for hours. Definitely load up with antihistamines if you're intent on eating that much codeine.
 
I suck at Algebra I was not itching last time does that mean I fucked up the CWE Extraction or just my tolerance is really high idk is doing like a whole 9mg Hydromorphone snorted at once enough of a Tolerance anyone with Experience know?
 
Personally I don't think it's sensible to use one to judge the other like that. Hydromorphone and codeine are metabolised to different chemicals by, as far as I know, different enzymes. There are substantial individual differences in the amount of these enzymes in our bodies so the apparent lack of effects from the hydromorphone is not a perfect indicator that you can then go on to take massive doses of codeine without risk. In fact, if it was the other way round and you were not an effective metaboliser of codeine (not an uncommon genetic trait), you could easily justify taking a massive overdose of a stronger opioid - one which you can metabolise effectively - and unknowingly end up in a lot of trouble.

Anyway, since codeine's weak as hell, there's probably far less of a problem. I wouldn't personally drop a 500mg CWE first time for various reasons. At least do a trial run @ ~300mg and, as Morphling suggested, keep some antihistamines handy because you might not be able to stand the itching at that dose. 300mg would still be enough to knock you sideways if you're completely opiate naive and metabolise codeine better than you metabolise hydromorphone. At any rate, a lot of people will tell you that any dose over about ~450mg is a waste of time because of the dosage ceiling; although I've never personally hit that.
 
The ratio of conversion is too large to be sensible.

Your tolerance just might be too large to try and go back to codeine.

It will be cool however to stay well in-between hydromorphone abstinence... Not to get high.
 
About 300-400mg of codeine is equivalent to 6mg Hydromorphone insufflated. However, you must take into account the efficiency of your CYP enzyme system, plus consider how much HM enters your bloodstream as the odds of 100% being absorbed through the mucosal membranes of your nasal passages is quite low. Then factor in losses from CWE preparations (assuming you can't access pure codeine). All in all, a quantitative value is very, very difficult to give.
 
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