INSANE LEGAL LUCID DREAMS ver. PATCHIN UP TONIGHT.

[neversickanymore]

Any body else use nicotine patches, applied just before bed, to induce astoundingly lucid and colorful dreams? After a little practice I, have been able to take partial control of these amazing dreams, Does anyone else do this? any tips on gaining more control? as of now i can only "change the channel" or go from one dream instantly into another but have no control over the next dreams theme or backdrop, I can also maneuver movements of mine in the dream, for example where I fly or where I land.

 

[Crashing]

Yes, nicotine patches, almost without fail, will produce extremely vivid and lucid dreams to those who wear them at night. It's truly amazing and actually worth trying. It's like a psychedelic dissociative but the experience itself is more vivid than anything most any other drug can induce. But try convincing someone haha.

 

[wayab]

yeah i keep reading about this lately. what dosage for a non smoker is recomended? when do you put the patch on for best effects? right before bed or some time before that?

 

[Redbong]

yeah i keep reading about this lately. what dosage for a non smoker is recomended? when do you put the patch on for best effects? right before bed or some time before that?

I can't answer your question. But, I want to warn you, nicotine is a highly addictive drug. Please use it carefully.

This does interest me though. I'm already a smoker though.

 

[Crashing]

Whether you smoke or not it works. Maybe for a non smoker I would use a 7mg, or half a 7mg patch. Nicotine is addicting but i don't think using it this way is too bad, it's nothing like smoking a cigarette. The reinforcement from nicotine dream therapy i would imagine is pretty damn low.

 

[wayab]

I can't answer your question. But, I want to warn you, nicotine is a highly addictive drug. Please use it carefully.

This does interest me though. I'm already a smoker though.

thanks. i used to smoke before for quite some time and stoped with zero withdraws. i do see this a potentialy more addictive than smoking though

 

[amanitadine]

I love doing this. Found it out accidentally, trying to quit, and do it recreationally every now and then. Not the most restful sleep but the most profound endless dreams. Amazing how many dreams you can pack into a night. To the point where I have deja vu constantly the next day, feeling that I managed to dream up every possible scenario ever. It is like a very lucid OBE dissociative trip. Highly recommended!

 

[psood0nym]

Thanks for the recommendation. I love experimenting with and analyzing the various levels of lucidity during sleep states. I've noticed that taking a nap during an afternoon where I didn't get enough sleep the night before and have been running on caffeine tends to lead to similar results, though I imagine a more centrally active stimulant like nicotine will make for superior results. I've speculated that stimulants keep areas of the brain more active than they would otherwise be as other areas shift into sleep, aiding in achieving lucid dreams. Interestingly, nicotine by itself is not very addictive:

Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties.[55] However, after coadministration with an MAOI, such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to amphetamine.[35]

Tobacco smoke contains anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine. It also contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitors harman and norharman.[33] These beta-carboline compounds significantly decrease MAO activity in smokers.[33][34] MAO enzymes break down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. It is thought that the powerful interaction between the MAOIs and the nicotine is responsible for most of the addictive properties of tobacco smoking.[35] The addition of five minor tobacco alkaloids increases nicotine-induced hyperactivity, sensitization and intravenous self-administration in rats.[36]

Source: Wiki's Nicotine page

I came across this information while trying to figure out why e-cigs aren't as good as tobacco cigarettes. The first company that puts these additional compounds into their e-liquid in the proper or even in enhanced proportions is going to make a killing. I'm not sure of the legality of doing that though, so it'll probably be some Chinese company, heh. Anyways, that means there's less for non-smokers wanting to try this to worry about (though nicotine in isolation has some other ill effects, they're nothing compared to smoking tobacco).

I'm interested in hearing from any non-smokers who try this, particularly the dosage, how tired you were when you took it, and the timing. For instance, would a patch taken during the afternoon still have this amplifying effect on lucidity during sleep during the waking hours of the next morning or does sleep need to happen during "peak effects?" I ask because the best strategy (and most practical) I have for lucid dreaming involves multiple alarm clocks during the waking hours of the morning.

 

[neversickanymore]

I should add that the best results i have obtained for controlling these amazing dreams are when I am able to wake and quickly go back to sleep after my body has reached REM.. sometimes, is kinda crazy as I go through these dreams and am in control.. indicating my conscious mind is awake, I can clearly hear myself snore as if I was listening to someone snore while i was awake, also I have been able to listen and remember whole length conversations of roommates/friends if i was able to tap in while on the couch while semi-controlling the sickest shit.. any body have any more techniques or ideas on takn this control further?

 

[psood0nym]

^Use multiple alarms or special software. Experiment with the timing so each successive alarm seems to be waking you out of REM (which usually means you'll go right back into it when you fall asleep). I don't remember where I got it but I used to have multiple alarm software where the alarm consisted of the audio: "you are sleeping," and you could alter how many times it repeated that phrase before shutting off. I'm sure similar can be downloaded from lucid dreaming websites. You want to wake up from a dream and then dip in and out of sleep, always staying as close to the divide as possible.

Another useful technique is reviewing your last remembered dream in memory just before sleep. Having these sorts of metacognitive thoughts about the last dream right before dreaming seems both to prime the subconscious to remember what it was doing last time it dreamed a rememberable dream (and thus make it easier to ease back into) and to insinuate self-reflective processes into the dream state i.e.to lucid dream.

 

[Anon610]

It takes upwards from 15-18 months to get addicted to Nicotine. You'll be fine.