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Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ II - show me the blood

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Lady Frankau said:
I tend to use 28g insulin syringes and sometime have a real Fuck about trying to register. Do the ones mentioned come in a decent length, ie over 2 inch? Replies extremely grateful:(
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Holy 8o

May I ask what you need 2 inches of needle for?
I rarely, very very rarely, ever use more than the 5/16" inch of needle I'm used to.

Do you just like to have the extra headroom or are you digging deep in someplace I've never seen?
 
titicaca2 said:
People miss shots all the time with tar, they dont rot and die. I will watch it, do hot compress. It's not actually the tar that is the problem, it's the solution sitting there. It becomes infected and then you risk blood poisoning.
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Not really sure what you mean by this, but an abcess can be caused by exogenous bacteria being inadvertently introduced to the tissue or by particulate matter introduced in the same manner. The problem when injecting unfiltered (or insufficiently filtered) solutions into the tissue as opposed to the vein is that small particles become trapped in the tissue where their presence leads to a local immune-response, potentially leading to the formation of an abcess. Of course, given that this unfiltered solution was actually properly introduced into the vein, these particles would ultimately end up in the alveoli of the lungs instead.
Soooo, bottom line = ALWAYS filter your solutions properly. This means micron-filters people!

In your case titicaca, you should seek medical attention ASAP. It might be expensive and the doctor might scuff at you for being a lowly junkie, but the alternative is potentially loosing your arm or at least dealing with a much larger medical bill down the road when your abcess has increased in size and therefore requires more extensive and complicated (read: expensive) measures to cure.

Peace out and take care!
 
Hitting myself (HELP!)

So I'd like to think I'm special. Whoever can solve this connundrum/mystery gets major kudos. My veins are gone, all of them, gone. I shot each injection site possible 2 to 3 times, exactly that many, no more no less, and not even every sity. I hit the crook of my arms, my biceps, forearms, and wrist, and back of my arms. 2 shots ago, my friend and I with 2 packs of needles stabbed me over 30 times to find a vein, and were very lucky to do so. Last time I shot up, we went for the same vein (my forearm, right arm underside) and then last time I tried to shoot, all of my veins were gone (I had been trying them previously, to no avail, and had to rotate to find ANY vein that would register). So obviously my story sucks and your advice is going to depend on my background. I've been shooting dope for roughly 1 month, a total of maybe 50 shots. I've been shooting black tar heroin, from the northwest. Nothing too nasty. Been using micron filters, fresh needles, sterile water, alcohol pads, and have been having a certain friend hit me nearly every time (recently I've been desperately searching myself, as he has given up) I know that stabbing veins hurts them. My friend has gone in at a 25 degree angle every time, has hit the vein first try EVERY time until the last week, done the shot, gotten out. He is a veteran and said I had GREAT veins. Now they're all gone. 1 theory him and I had is that I have rollers, another he had is that the black tar hurts veins and hardens them- which I could agree with. He tries to hold a vein in place by squeezing down on either side of it while putting the needle in- no luck. Another funny fact: I NEVER had my hands hit. I tried today with fresh everything and a shot for the first time, and am unable to register. This is the problem: I cannot EVER register the blood, and obviously am not going to skin pop or muscle it. What I don't want to hear is STOP SHOOTING; I'm determined to, please help me do as little damage to myself as possible and help me get some damn blood in the barrel! Thanks in advance, I'm hovering around to answer any questions asap.
 
Jesus, 1 month/50 shots and you say all your veins are gone?? If you're following proper injection technique (which you say you are), and the tar isn't toxic (which you say it isn't) then something doesn't add up. I've been shooting for 6 months and I actually inject myself maybe 12-15 times a day and my veins are fine (and I'm only using a few injection sites).

I'm shooting dilaudid, which is known for being very kind to the body, so its possible that the tar is the culprit. No matter how "good" you think it is, tar is known to be very rough on veins. I don't have a lot of tar experience (done it just a few times) so you might want to read up on just how toxic tar is for your veins.

If everything else is as you say it is, there really isn't any other reason why all your veins have collapsed.

You say you don't want to hear "stop shooting," but it sounds like your body isn't giving you much of a choice.

Have you tried plugging? I highly recommend it. Most people who have done iv and plugging have said plugging comes very close (minus any intense rush) but carries virtually none of the dangers of iv.

I plugged dilaudid for nearly 2 years before I switched to IV and the plugged feeling was much better - the only reason on IV now is because my tolerance has gotten so high it's the only way I can feel ANYTHING.

But if you're fairly new to the drug world, I implore you to plug, at least while your body heals itself. The high is great and it won't harm you.

EVERYONE should try it at least once as an alternative to IV.
 
To address your points in order:
I am following proper injection technique to a T, I've had an experienced person do it for me nearly every single time.

I'm shooting tar, it is harsh to your veins, but the liquid i inject is just barely soupy, it obvious has to draw into a syringe and in needs to be nearly the consistancy of water, maybe orange juice sometimes? (no pulp haha)

I don't know if they have in fact collapsed completely, I would think I would feel some sort of change in my blood flow or my hands would be slightly colder, and haven't noticed any change.

I don't want to stop shooting, it's all I have left, nothing else gives me anything near a buzz or high, just a dissapointing $x well.

I do plug from time to time, it's my frusteration after stabbing myself countless times that forces me to plug it, it's not fun, carries no rush or reward and after shooting grams of tar at a time, it just fails in comparison.

I thank you for your input, I do believe that the tar may be the culprit, but I just can't fathom that ANYTHING could be this detrimental to the health of my veins. Could any suppliments vitamins or drugs help open my veins? Blood thinners? It's awfully strange that I've never hit my hands and can't register blood even in my hands. I've read that your hands are the easiest to hit so "Save them for when you're in a hurry and when you can take the time, hit the harder spots" where are these "Easy spots" you so speak of? Where the 2 veins collide in your hands below your pinky and ring finger, I tried both sides of the fork AND the fork itself, are you telling me I have no blood running in either hand? I tried both hands and 3 veins in each, maybe 2-3 times with fresh needles each (yes, it hurt) and couldn't register one.
 
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So said friend from above posts is on his way over as I offered him a couple bags to do it. He calls me the "unhittable man" and I'm quite depressed. Should I go to legs? Can I hit my foot even once? I can't find leg or foot veins. Any suggestions to make it easier?
 
Suisidalmaniak said:
So said friend from above posts is on his way over as I offered him a couple bags to do it. He calls me the "unhittable man" and I'm quite depressed. Should I go to legs? Can I hit my foot even once? I can't find leg or foot veins. Any suggestions to make it easier?
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Are you 100% sure the only H available in your area is tar? It seems to me like it may be the culprit, even w/ micron filtering (as you said you have been doing). I believe tar is usually highly acidic (?).

As far as suggestions to make it easier to register... take a long, hot shower before you attempt to hit, and immediately after you get out to a set or two of push-ups to get the blood flowing. Try to inject right immediately after, while your blood is still moving.
 
@ Ekt:
Tar is highly acidic, and I will never vouch that "only" tar is available, We used to have powder fentanyl, but I have not seen any other form of heroin in the northwest- not to say it does not exist, but a high concentration of what is available in the area is this tar. And just hours ago I did take a hot shower, it was cold, I decided it couldnt hurt trying to hit after a shower- it worked. I took the loaded needle and tourniquette (sp?) in the shower with me and went for a vein in the top of my foot. I sunk the battle ship. Oddly enough I saw BLOOD coming into the barrel, nearly shit a fucking brick, pushed the plunger, re-registered half way and did the rest. It hurt a bit pulling the needle back out but I didn't care. I got my first shot in a week. My foot. Ouch. But thanks a ton for the suggestion! I have a new light.

@ Captain:
I'm using 28 gauge 1cc needles, quite short buggers, maybe inch long? 3/4? I make sure to get the whole needle in my body before I plunge so that the needle doesn't slide in or out while I'm plunging. It's a good length to just get into the vein, put maybe another 1/8th of an inch of the needle in, and go for it.
I would absolutely kill for powder, I've been ripped off several times trying to buy powder, I totally know it's very hard to find powder in this area, and the tar is raping my veins unfortunately.
 
Missed shot? Need some help

So on the crook of each arm it appears my vein is closer to the surface to normal. They dont hurt to the touch and are slightly swollen out. It feels kind of like hard lumps. The thing is I have had one on the back side of my arm for around 2 weeks and these on the crook of my arm for maybe a few days. I know I surely missed at least 3-4 shots in the past few days as I am facing challenging injecting into the veins that I barely have left.

Is there anyway to know if I am in serious trouble? The lumps are not too big and I have seen much bigger on some of my buddies but I never asked them if they go down. Or is this just going to be like this permanent? I feel like an idiot for shooting up to begin with and I am starting a suboxone maintence program in 5 days, so of course up until then you guessed it I am going to continue injecting.

I also dont really know if I am doing it right, I use 31Gauge 1CC 100 unit 8mm needle short tips is this ok? And I have powdered heroin in capsules that I drop in a spoon and add 30 units of water and boil then filter it in cotton and whatnot I always let my shots cool down for a while to avoid a heat rash or burning myself. Then I use a belt around my upper arm to get the veins to poke up a bit, inject, then remove the belt.

If there is some needle guru out there with an abundance of knowledge please enlighten me as I really could use a helping hand, its really hard for me to ask other users for help/tips and I know they are most likely going to lead me in the wrong direction, and that would be counterproductive now wouldnt it?

So if anyone out there is reading this and has useful information for me it would greatly be appreciated, and I will spread the useful information to other uneducated heroin users that are in my group of users. Most of the others like me are really naive and know even less than me, I had a guy call me last night telling me after an attempt at shooting in the back of the wrist, telling me he didnt register so he backed out and went somewhere else but his hand got pins and needle sensation and felt like it was going to sleep. I told him it may be a nerve or something to do with poor circulation but I honesty didnt really know so I told him to get it looked at if he was in pain and the situation was serious or if the sensation didnt stop after around an hour. Eventually it went away and he is just fine.

EDIT: I been looking expeditiously for more information but I keep nodding off, but I hear heat is good, but is it too late for that? And also I read something about poking the area with a needle and squeezing it out should I try that too?
 
your supposed to let the belt go before you inject.. once you get in the vein and know you are deff in by registering you can loosen it up and just register a litlle bit again to make sure you're still in and then push the plunger down slowly.
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
your supposed to let the belt go before you inject.. once you get in the vein you can loosen it up and just register a litlle bit to make sure you're still in and then push the plunger down slowly.
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Oh shit I have never done that I always leave it on is that bad I been doing so for months. But will the needle still be in after I take the belt off wont the vein go back into hiding if I did so?
 
When you miss a shot, the subcutaneous flesh absorbs the shot, and then swells up. This is a part of the process where your body breaks down/absorbs the missed shot.

The lumps will go away.

1) There is no need to heat heroin; it is soluble in cold water just fine.

2) A tourniquet is not required; you should be able to see and feel your veins - if so, you won't need the tourniquet.

3) The IV Complication Mega Thread is ideal for posts like this, so I am merging this into there.
 
amapola said:
Here is the megathread http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=487276
This will probably get moved there anyways.

For the bumps they could be abscesses (little balls of infected puss inside your arms) due to missed shots (kind like big pimples) or they could be swollen veins which have possibly filled with clotted blood and are called thrombophlebitis.
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Holy crap you guys are scaring me, I wish I never got involved in all this good thing I will soon be on Suboxones, but I really hope I dont have any of these serious conditions I am frightened at the idea of going to the doctor and owning up to what I have been doing.

I guess I am trying to say its a good thing I am finding out that this shit is not all its cut out to be, and I have made the biggest stupidest mistake of my life touching dope and I was doing so good I quit for 2 weeks but the insomnia killed me when I ran out of alprazolam and diazepam.
 
Unholyconstipation said:
Oh shit I have never done that I always leave it on is that bad I been doing so for months. But will the needle still be in after I take the belt off wont the vein go back into hiding if I did so?
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it should stay in unless you move it while loosening the belt.
the reason for loosen before injecting is so your vein doesn't "blow" by all the blood backed up and the injection going in, it can put too much pressure in the vein causing it to burst.. but you said you only use 30 units so i wouldn't worry too much, but if you ever start using a half to full rig than make sure you un do the tie before pushing that plunger down (and of course register before and after the tie to make sure you're in)
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
it should stay in unless you move it while loosening the belt.
the reason for loosen before injecting is so your vein doesn't "blow" by all the blood backed up and the injection going in, it can put too much pressure in the vein causing it to burst.. but you said you only use 30 units so i wouldn't worry too much, but if you ever start using a half to full rig than make sure you un do the tie before pushing that plunger down (and of course register before and after the tie to make sure you're in)
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Good advice, except I would say, just don't use the tourniquet in the first place.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
When you miss a shot, the subcutaneous flesh absorbs the shot, and then swells up. This is a part of the process where your body breaks down/absorbs the missed shot.

The lumps will go away.

1) There is no need to heat heroin; it is soluble in cold water just fine.

2) A tourniquet is not required; you should be able to see and feel your veins - if so, you won't need the tourniquet.

3) The IV Complication Mega Thread is ideal for posts like this, so I am merging this into there.
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So if I mix it in cold tap water there wont be any bacteria and the cut doesnt need to be boiled out, I am sure it is Dormin sleep aid/ Diphenidrimine unsure of spelling. Everyone I seen always cooks the crap out of there dope.

And my veins are really not very visable without a strap, so does this mean I should buy longer needles and just try to poke the general area I see the veins come up from?

And I am sorry but thanks for putting my post where it belongs I am new to this forum and have trouble navigating after mixing up my bedtime dose.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Good advice, except I would say, just don't use the tourniquet in the first place.
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true.

Unholyconstipation said:
So if I mix it in cold tap water there wont be any bacteria and the cut doesnt need to be boiled out, I am sure it is Dormin sleep aid/ Diphenidrimine unsure of spelling. Everyone I seen always cooks the crap out of there dope.
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the more you heat it, the more un-water soluble cuts dissolve into your shot by the heat making them soluble.. the diphenhydramine is going in whether hot or cold, but the pill binders and fillers will mostly stay out if no heat is used. You add heat and you get more crap into your water that wont be big enough to filter out with cotton.. you would need to start using micron filters and that's another can of worms.. you can read up on it in the megathread just search for it.
 
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