Systemic? What? That is obviously something terrible.
Will T3 work? I haven't got any regular Tylenol at the moment...
Cap'n Jay.
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Systemic? What? That is obviously something terrible.
Will T3 work? I haven't got any regular Tylenol at the moment...
Cap'n Jay.
Captain.Heroin
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Systemic in this case means that whatever infection you may (or may not) have could start circulating through your blood stream - which is then spread to your entire body (not just your affected limb).
If that was incorrect feel free to correct me - I have been up all night and am probably very loopy without realizing it.
If that was incorrect feel free to correct me - I have been up all night and am probably very loopy without realizing it.
Bell Ringer
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any apap
Yes T1-4 will work but you would be better off with OTC apap, because apap is what you need; more drugs will just complicate things. A warm bath will help too. Captain.Heroin is correct, but to simplify things it basically means you need to get to ER ASAP if you value your life at all.
BTW Captain.Heroin I win, been without sleep for a few days (excluding microsleep and passing out)
Yes T1-4 will work but you would be better off with OTC apap, because apap is what you need; more drugs will just complicate things. A warm bath will help too. Captain.Heroin is correct, but to simplify things it basically means you need to get to ER ASAP if you value your life at all.
BTW Captain.Heroin I win, been without sleep for a few days (excluding microsleep and passing out)
Yes T1-4 will work but you would be better off with OTC apap, because apap is what you need; more drugs will just complicate things. A warm bath will help too. Captain.Heroin is correct, but to simplify things it basically means you need to get to ER ASAP if you value your life at all.
BTW Captain.Heroin I win, been without sleep for a few days (excluding microsleep and passing out)
Fuck. Okay. I'm going to ask my neighbor for normal apap. Ugh. I'm so not up for going to the ER today. >_<
I feel normal, if that counts for anything at all. :]
Cap'n Jay.
Thanks for the help. I found some 30 pins and the mix was thin enough not to stop it up after your instructions. I invested in some filters but didn't wanna put the blood in there. Probably should have? I reuse till they're stopped up. I screwed my veins inside my arms so bad they are useless from injecting 6+++years ago. Stopped everything until 2 weeks ago and started back again. Have to use the top of my wrists. Tried everywhere else first but no luck. Done with the H and back to bup in the sub form. Wish I'd never slammed it but I like it so much better and it's cheaper that way. It's amazingly strong stuff! My wrist has a 2" slightly red and swollen area from yesterday. Woke me up in the night hurting but I had some antibiotics so I started them and it's better today. Not red, just swollen and hard to bend. Trying to stick with the other hand and a crumb of bup for the next few days to see how it goes. Feeling amazingly level after the switch. One more question please. Someone said the top of your legs is a better place but I cant figure out where so can you be more specific? I apologize if this has been covered already.
mugwump gism
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let's say i've registered but in the process of shooting i slip out of the vein. now there is blood in the syringe, and it is starting to clot. is it unsafe to iv this admixture of blood/water/drug, since there is clotted blood in the solution?
OMG this has happened to me a zillion times. I certainly DONT know the answer but I can tell you I personally ALWAYS used it anyway. Safety was not a priority to me most of the time. I am trying to be better. I just tilted the syringe at an angle where the clot stays at the bottom of the rig and inject very slowly watching to be sure the clot does not get injected. If you are using small enough pins, say 28-30 gauge, the clot wont get thru and will stop it up. My veins, or whats left of them, are so tiny I cant use anything bigger than 29.
Why is it that everytime I pull back to see if I am in the vein, the damn thing ruptures, blows up, or something? Last night 2x in a row this happened and I dont know why. I use to do this all the time -more than 5 years 3-4x daily- so Have I damaged my veins to the point of no return or what?
Bell Ringer
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Don't worry yourself to death, just keep an I on it and help your body out
it does count but not much. Most likely you will be fine. Just help your body to get rid of that lump ASAP. Take a warm bath as long as you are sure you won't nod off. Baths feel great on opioids and a warm bath or shower before IVing will make your veins much easier to hit. It will also help with the lump. I must emphasize that if you nod off you may drown. I never bathed on dope until my tolerance was sky high.
Keep an eye on it. Sometimes it takes a little while for one's body to absolve local infections, you may not have one.
If it goes systemic that will probably take a while.
The sooner it is gone the better (no shit, right?).
it does count but not much. Most likely you will be fine. Just help your body to get rid of that lump ASAP. Take a warm bath as long as you are sure you won't nod off. Baths feel great on opioids and a warm bath or shower before IVing will make your veins much easier to hit. It will also help with the lump. I must emphasize that if you nod off you may drown. I never bathed on dope until my tolerance was sky high.
Keep an eye on it. Sometimes it takes a little while for one's body to absolve local infections, you may not have one.
If it goes systemic that will probably take a while.
The sooner it is gone the better (no shit, right?).
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Bell Ringer
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need more info but here goes...
Sounds like you are puncturing both puncturing more than one of the vein's walls. Going though the vein. Or you could be registering and then slipping out.
I urge you to either give up the needle or learn how to shoot. Try a different angle, palpate different sites, and pick your site carefully.
Sounds like you are puncturing both puncturing more than one of the vein's walls. Going though the vein. Or you could be registering and then slipping out.
I urge you to either give up the needle or learn how to shoot. Try a different angle, palpate different sites, and pick your site carefully.
Bell Ringer
Bluelighter
This is from my cell so it's gonna be short.
You sound offended. From what I have read you sound like u don't know what u r doing so I took the conservative path in the inerest of harm reduction. Ity is nothing personal.
Did u take the turniquite off before pushing?
Ttyl
Bell-Ringer,
No absolutely not offended at all. Just frustrated. I appreciate you taking the time to make suggestions and talk to me as this is not something I can talk about with just anyone.....me being the only junkie I know. To answer your question, no I did not take it off but I loosened it so there was no pressure b4 pushing, but not b4 pulling back to make sure I was in..... know what i mean?
No absolutely not offended at all. Just frustrated. I appreciate you taking the time to make suggestions and talk to me as this is not something I can talk about with just anyone.....me being the only junkie I know. To answer your question, no I did not take it off but I loosened it so there was no pressure b4 pushing, but not b4 pulling back to make sure I was in..... know what i mean?
Bell Ringer
Bluelighter
a few questions
Describe the vein you used and give as much info as possable.
Was the needle new? Gauge?
How far away from the IV site was the tourniquet placed?
Dope, right? Quality?
do you rotate IV sites and veins often?
When you went in did you feel any scar tissue?
Describe the color of the blood when you pulled back?
Did you hit 1st try? If not than where did you go in for the 2nd, 3rd, etc... try
How long have you been shooting and how often?
I can help you better if you give tell me these things.
And yes if may have been that the tourniquet was placed wrong or too tight, but I won't speculate on that because there are many other reasons viable explanations
BTW the tourniquet should be tied about 2 inches from your chosen site.
Take Care
Describe the vein you used and give as much info as possable.
Was the needle new? Gauge?
How far away from the IV site was the tourniquet placed?
Dope, right? Quality?
do you rotate IV sites and veins often?
When you went in did you feel any scar tissue?
Describe the color of the blood when you pulled back?
Did you hit 1st try? If not than where did you go in for the 2nd, 3rd, etc... try
How long have you been shooting and how often?
I can help you better if you give tell me these things.
And yes if may have been that the tourniquet was placed wrong or too tight, but I won't speculate on that because there are many other reasons viable explanations
BTW the tourniquet should be tied about 2 inches from your chosen site.
Take Care
Well it started out dope but that's my old love that will eventually kill me so I stopped it a couple of days ago and switched to bup in the form of sub. I am trying to only use a tiny bit of it b/c I am actually afraid of this stuff. I have about a dozen for now. I'm using a tiny amt. I break an 8mg into 1/4s and disolve it into bacteriastatic water in a syringe then filter it back into an empty bs water bottle. I dont know exactly how much I am using but it's enough to keep me from being sick and fell pretty darn good. The needles are 30 gauge and and I insert it maybe 1/8 inch into the veins on top of my hand/wrist. The ones in my arm are shot and full of scar tissue from many years of using H there. Yes i rotate every time, never the same vein twice in one day. I have 6 good spots or at least i did. No I didn't feel scar tissue, the blood is med/dark red, no I dont always hit the first try. Maybe 90% of the time I do. This is my first time for using veins in my hands and I put the tourniquet 1/2" above my wrist so it's about where you said it should be. I have been shooting 7 years. I quit 5 years ago and just started back a couple of weeks ago. Thanks for your assistance. Like I said I am the black sheep and have no friends in this state who use. Before when I was using I had help so this is my first time solo. Guess I'm not that good at it.
was on amphetamines the whole week (snorting).. today started going through some speed psychosis and randomly overcame my fear of needles in that state and bought a needle (20ga) and ended up jabbing myself in the arm 32 times... my arm wasn't so clear (mild visual distortions) at the time and i only hit one vein and managed to inject (but i forgot to take the tie from my arm, and i didnt get any rush but an effect), i was actually careful and made sure everything was (extremely) sterilized..
suddenly a small lump appeared in the fold of my arm, but now the lump is gone, if i touch it it feels painful like a bruise and its hard.. same situation in exactly the same place on the other arm...
pictures are attached!
notice on image003 and image004 the slightly raised red patch around the injectory sites, they feel like a bruise too.. altho the area is slightly raised so i cant se my veins there.. left arm is more painful than the right... i can stretch out my left arm but it's rather painful (that typ of achey-pain, like the one u hav when u get a piercing)
i will be keeping track of this, and if tomorrow is worst i'll goto a doc.. if not ill leave it to see if it'll heal.. both my arms are working properly, except for the aching-pain there seems to be no problem (cept for me toothpick arms hohoh)
when i poked the needle in the skin, whenever i took it out, there was blood, but i would lift my arm for 2 seconds and it would stop, the holes are tiny!
i don't like needles!! and amphetamines now, too! (almost anorexic, i didn't eat hardly ANYTTHING these last fw days, and i already struggled to keep my weight healthy)
p.s: sorry for my really bad spelling and grammar, im having some troublss seeing the keyboard and screen)
thanks! positive spirits to all of ya! :D
suddenly a small lump appeared in the fold of my arm, but now the lump is gone, if i touch it it feels painful like a bruise and its hard.. same situation in exactly the same place on the other arm...
pictures are attached!
notice on image003 and image004 the slightly raised red patch around the injectory sites, they feel like a bruise too.. altho the area is slightly raised so i cant se my veins there.. left arm is more painful than the right... i can stretch out my left arm but it's rather painful (that typ of achey-pain, like the one u hav when u get a piercing)
i will be keeping track of this, and if tomorrow is worst i'll goto a doc.. if not ill leave it to see if it'll heal.. both my arms are working properly, except for the aching-pain there seems to be no problem (cept for me toothpick arms hohoh)
when i poked the needle in the skin, whenever i took it out, there was blood, but i would lift my arm for 2 seconds and it would stop, the holes are tiny!
i don't like needles!! and amphetamines now, too! (almost anorexic, i didn't eat hardly ANYTTHING these last fw days, and i already struggled to keep my weight healthy)
p.s: sorry for my really bad spelling and grammar, im having some troublss seeing the keyboard and screen)
thanks! positive spirits to all of ya! :D
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Bell Ringer
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I hope for your sake that you are confusing IM with subcutaneous (skin popping) injec
Do Not Use That Vein For A Long Time.
You Are Butchering Your Self
And that is an important vein.
Look guy maybe IV does not suit you. Are you shooting, poorly at that, an aseptic sulition such as from a vial or ampuale. If not than you will get an absiss if you don't learn hot to IV, and not from that friend you mentioned because he obviously has no clue.
You need to change sites and veins. Don't rush it. Look and feel around for other sites/veins. They are blue and do not have a pulse, if you feel a pulse find a different site.
Palipate the vein you are considering and trace it's path, vein are like trees they branch off. Do not try to hit where you see a branch because you will fuck up a valve. There are also valves where there are no branches. Palpate the vein and you will feel something differnent, with expeierence you can even see them. If you apply slight pressure to a valve it will close and you will notice that, maybe...
The best gauge (size of the sharp) is generally the highest, it may sound counterintutive but the higher the gauge the thinner the sharp. You probably have some pretty large veins in your arm so 1/2 inch 29-31 should be fine, but it is easer to hit with smaller gauge sharps. It is better that you hit than miss. Don't go lower than 27's. Many many years ago I used 27's and I regret that.
Get BDs as they are by far the best quality. I have tried many others and they all bend easily and push inconsitly. Before you fix uncap your dieabtic needle/syringe and push in in and out a few times, this will make the plunger move more consistionly when you hit, if you do this you are less likely to blow a vein.
If you use cold water as a solvent than you will be able to feel the solution as it moves up you vein so you will know if you slip out.
Do Not Use That Vein For A Long Time.
You Are Butchering Your Self
And that is an important vein.
Look guy maybe IV does not suit you. Are you shooting, poorly at that, an aseptic sulition such as from a vial or ampuale. If not than you will get an absiss if you don't learn hot to IV, and not from that friend you mentioned because he obviously has no clue.
You need to change sites and veins. Don't rush it. Look and feel around for other sites/veins. They are blue and do not have a pulse, if you feel a pulse find a different site.
Palipate the vein you are considering and trace it's path, vein are like trees they branch off. Do not try to hit where you see a branch because you will fuck up a valve. There are also valves where there are no branches. Palpate the vein and you will feel something differnent, with expeierence you can even see them. If you apply slight pressure to a valve it will close and you will notice that, maybe...
The best gauge (size of the sharp) is generally the highest, it may sound counterintutive but the higher the gauge the thinner the sharp. You probably have some pretty large veins in your arm so 1/2 inch 29-31 should be fine, but it is easer to hit with smaller gauge sharps. It is better that you hit than miss. Don't go lower than 27's. Many many years ago I used 27's and I regret that.
Get BDs as they are by far the best quality. I have tried many others and they all bend easily and push inconsitly. Before you fix uncap your dieabtic needle/syringe and push in in and out a few times, this will make the plunger move more consistionly when you hit, if you do this you are less likely to blow a vein.
If you use cold water as a solvent than you will be able to feel the solution as it moves up you vein so you will know if you slip out.
Will finish soon but have something to do
Hawkeyeryn
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Hitting an artery/histamine reaction (picture included)
EDIT: Here's some pics:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/Hawkeyeryn/0925091804b.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/Hawkeyeryn/0925091803.jpg
I know you guys can't feel exactly what I did but I'm gonna try to describe it precisely as possible and perhaps there's something key about my description that will allow you to offer an idea of what happened here.
Loaded up a shot in a rig as normal, I use long tips so I did go fairly deep with this shot, but I didn't think it was deeper than I normally go for this vein. Shot goes fine and everything, then 90% through the shot I think I went through and I started missing or something, I *think*, or maybe I was in an artery and I went past it, anyway, I try to look for the vein again but I can't find it, so as I'm still fishing around I get this incredibly weird sensation in my arm. At first it's like an icy-hot burning, almost like the circulation was cut in my arm for a minute or two and it was returning. Then it got sort of pins and needles and started itching like FUCK! And then I got a huge head rush, but not a good one like normal dope, a really fairly unpleasant one, that made my head feel really heavy, and ended up giving me a headache shortly after. Obviously I have already taken the needled out at this point. The itching continues and then the swelling. My arm has like raised bumps all over, it's patchy, and red and slightly yellow and white and discolored all over, and I can't really close my fist and the tips of my fingers are cold from lack of circulation.
An hour 20min later the swelling has mostly subsided but my hand is still a tad swollen and feels weird to squeeze. My head still hurts a bit and I don't feel very high.
I searched far and wide and I'm really surprised at how little information there is about the physical immediate symptoms of injecting into an artery, as well as the difference between hitting an artery and having a histamine reaction. I know there's swelling, and pain when you hit an artery, but this is exactly the same thing that happens with a histamine reaction. So does anyone have any idea what may have happened?
EDIT: Here's some pics:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/Hawkeyeryn/0925091804b.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/Hawkeyeryn/0925091803.jpg
I know you guys can't feel exactly what I did but I'm gonna try to describe it precisely as possible and perhaps there's something key about my description that will allow you to offer an idea of what happened here.
Loaded up a shot in a rig as normal, I use long tips so I did go fairly deep with this shot, but I didn't think it was deeper than I normally go for this vein. Shot goes fine and everything, then 90% through the shot I think I went through and I started missing or something, I *think*, or maybe I was in an artery and I went past it, anyway, I try to look for the vein again but I can't find it, so as I'm still fishing around I get this incredibly weird sensation in my arm. At first it's like an icy-hot burning, almost like the circulation was cut in my arm for a minute or two and it was returning. Then it got sort of pins and needles and started itching like FUCK! And then I got a huge head rush, but not a good one like normal dope, a really fairly unpleasant one, that made my head feel really heavy, and ended up giving me a headache shortly after. Obviously I have already taken the needled out at this point. The itching continues and then the swelling. My arm has like raised bumps all over, it's patchy, and red and slightly yellow and white and discolored all over, and I can't really close my fist and the tips of my fingers are cold from lack of circulation.
An hour 20min later the swelling has mostly subsided but my hand is still a tad swollen and feels weird to squeeze. My head still hurts a bit and I don't feel very high.
I searched far and wide and I'm really surprised at how little information there is about the physical immediate symptoms of injecting into an artery, as well as the difference between hitting an artery and having a histamine reaction. I know there's swelling, and pain when you hit an artery, but this is exactly the same thing that happens with a histamine reaction. So does anyone have any idea what may have happened?
tathra
bluelighter
what did it look like when you registered?
bright red, suddenly filling with force? or normal kinda dark and oozing?
also, what were you shooting? morphine i'm guessing?
bright red, suddenly filling with force? or normal kinda dark and oozing?
also, what were you shooting? morphine i'm guessing?
Hawkeyeryn
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Wow! You're so funny and clever! How did I know I'd get at least one jackass like you posting here? So you're funny, I'm psychic.
I was shooting dope. I just looked at some of the blood leftover in the rig and it DID look a bit light, but I'm not sure if I would call it bright red. I think it is lighter than normal though. I don't remember a particularly strong register, which is another reason I'm confused.
Yeah, come to think of it, the blood usually is darker. "Dark and oozing" is a good way to describe it. Then again, this blood might just be diluted? Eh, I dunno.
Is there any way for someone to tell if that swelling is characteristic of hitting an artery or a histamine reaction? Is there any other way to tell?
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