Injecting. Why?

[Sleepwalker18]

I never thought I would IV ever. Friend brought it over once. I bit the bullet and tried it once, I'm going to be honest 3 weeks of that ritual. It is the biggest euphoria I have ever felt. I will say this too. The needle addiction was much harder to break then the drug.

 

[Coveman]

lol, such a naiive question.. why would a junkie inject dope?! the same reason hospitals inject morphine in their patients. its 100% effective, wasting no dope at all, unlike snorting or smoking..

also the question would be the same as asking "why do drunks like to drink 4 loko until they black out and piss on themseles?" because thats what drunks do...

and banging dope is what junkies do;....

I dont think what I was asking was naive at all. I actually think its naive to assume that all 'junkies' use the needle. I had a family member that was a junkie and he never went near a needle.

As others have pointed out its always about the rush you get from the needle that makes people want to inject.

I started this thread so I could get some understanding from needle users as to why they'd go to such lengths to obtain this rush. As I have stated before I dont think any rush is worth having if it means you have to stick a needle in your body.

 

[rhun]

I've been a IV user for 11 years and I've never felt addicted to the needle OR the drugs during that time. I work full time, have a second job 3 nights a week, have 2 houses and a great family and social life.

For me, it's the most effective method of administration. I find it cheaper, the effects are better and it last for longer (speed and cocaine). I think using clean needles (and disposing of them responsibly) each time I use is a much cleaner practice than say, sharing a pipe with 5 other people or snorting a line off a surface that god knows what has been there before.

Every time I or anyone that I know has been in the care of a medical practitioner, I have not known of any medication to be administered in a crack pipe, nor has the doctor asked me to snort a line from their desk......

Irresponsible IV users create stereotypes for ALL IV users, by not disposing of needles safely, re-using needles, sharing needles and blaming drugs and their method of administration for their addiction. I have known of people who have lost their home and gone to prison, because of bad choices and excessive use.... and they've never gone near a needle.

I am often frustrated at the reaction I get from the chemist when purchasing needles. It is often one of judgement that I feel is unfair and ill-informed. Being that I'm referring to a Pharmacist who has a university education in drugs and medications, and the various methods in which they are administered, I'm stunned that the purchase of sterile needles is so widely frowned upon.

Also, to fellow users who stand from their moral high ground - after they've snorted a line from a dirty toilet seat, or shared a group cold sore from the party pipe and announce to me their disapproval of needle use..... it's nothing more than laughable.

I am not a heavy user and I have never used outside of my financial means. I have never snatched a bag or broken into a persons home and it makes me sad that the piss poor actions of some, reflect such prejudice on those of us who prefer this method of use.

Maybe with a bit less judgement and more concern on maintaining a healthy balance in our lives, I don't think it really matters how we all choose to have a bit of fun.

I think my mouth was open while I was reading this, I was not expecting to find such an excellent, well thought out post in this thread. Thank you for your post, swifty. It sums up all my pro-IV arguments perfectly. I also have some anti-IV arguments as well, but znegative covered those as well. For once, there's not a lot for me to say I just would like to compliment you both on your posts

PS. Swifty I thought that was your ass in your avatar and was gonna say it's fabulous girl! But I checked your gender first, which I'm glad of.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I am often frustrated at the reaction I get from the chemist when purchasing needles. It is often one of judgement that I feel is unfair and ill-informed. Being that I'm referring to a Pharmacist who has a university education in drugs and medications, and the various methods in which they are administered, I'm stunned that the purchase of sterile needles is so widely frowned upon.

That's why I go to a needle exchange. %)

 

[rhun]

So I ask the needles users here why do you do it? How did you get to the state where it was a needle or nothing? Yes I understand that injecting certain things brings an instant rush but it is really that different and special that you'd stick a needle in your arm or anywhere else for that matter.

For example, Heroin. Ive never had it and I absolutely will not have it because of all the stories you hear about people becoming addicted/changing after the first use. Is the rush/effect (Im not even sure what Heroin gives you) from IVing this THAT much better as opposed to sniffing it or taking orally?

I dont think what I was asking was naive at all. I actually think its naive to assume that all 'junkies' use the needle. I had a family member that was a junkie and he never went near a needle.

As others have pointed out its always about the rush you get from the needle that makes people want to inject.

I started this thread so I could get some understanding from needle users as to why they'd go to such lengths to obtain this rush. As I have stated before I dont think any rush is worth having if it means you have to stick a needle in your body.

I do however feel inclined to respond to the OP's comments. First off, your thoughts on heroin are based solely of stories? Hysterical parents and politicians trying to justify a billion dollar "war on drugs" (while millions of addicts, who are also Americans btw, live on the streets and rot in jail cells instead of getting any kind of rehabilitation) tell stories. I strongly suggest you educate yourself on a substance before telling people what you think about it. Your description more closely matches methamphetamine than heroin honestly.

I know a decent amount about heroin, but black tar heroin is the only kind of heroin I have a lot of first hand experience with. In it's original form, it's smelly and rather filthy. But once it's been mixed with cold bacteriostatic water to remove insoluble cuts and micron filtered to remove bacteria and other contaminants it's pretty much like any other opiate. Though providing the tar is good quality, not crap, it's going to be stronger than the average opioid. There is nothing on this planet that can make you addicted after one use. Okay? Okay.

Now the cleaner solution you've made is basically ideal for IV use. Or alternatively it could be plugged, which people also do. To take it orally or insufflate would be a waste... Heroin is just like morphine in that it has very poor bioavailability when taken with those RoAs. It's not very effective. So if you're not going to plug or IV heroin you should just choose another opiate like Oxycontin, which has an excellent oral BA. Many people smoke H however to smoke it you can't perform the process mentioned above so the tar is still going to be very filthy and again, poor BA compared to IV administration.

Yes, the euphoria or rush you get from smoking or IVing H is enjoyable. But to say the reason people IV is "always" because of the rush is just ignorant. You get a rush from smoking and plugging too. I think the real reason people do it is because it's just the strongest, most efficient way to administer the drug. Why do you think nurses inject Morphine at hospitals instead of having you swallow Morphine tablets? IVing gets such a bad rep because people are just freaked out about it that they don't educate people how to do it correctly and safely.

As for your whole issue with needles... What's so big and bad about a needle? 30g needles are tiny, little baby needles... Smaller than the ones nurses use probably. You can't feel them, they're so sharp and tiny providing you don't reuse them you shouldn't feel them at all. It's a very easy way to get high and I don't consider it to be going to "extreme lengths." Yes, it's a more addictive RoA. There, there's something bad you can legitimately say about IVing.

 

[Jrhguitarist1]

Im one of those people that wish that all meds came liquid form, I take all precautions and never in a rush I just agree with everyone it's just the best way to help the medicine go down.

 

[pkt]

It's just a great ROA in my opinion, i would have told you years ago that i would never do it but its a hard question to answer, why? because i LOVE it.

 

[Bowerbird]

I think my mouth was open while I was reading this, I was not expecting to find such an excellent, well thought out post in this thread. Thank you for your post, swifty. It sums up all my pro-IV arguments perfectly. I also have some anti-IV arguments as well, but znegative covered those as well. For once, there's not a lot for me to say I just would like to compliment you both on your posts

PS. Swifty I thought that was your ass in your avatar and was gonna say it's fabulous girl! But I checked your gender first, which I'm glad of.

Thanks rhun, it's similar to my arse, before it got a bit better My man's pretty smart and AWESOME FUCKING FUN too. What good is having cake if you can't eat it too - having a good balance gets you the best of both worlds...

 

[Znegative]

I've been a IV user for 11 years and I've never felt addicted to the needle OR the drugs during that time. I work full time, have a second job 3 nights a week, have 2 houses and a great family and social life.

For me, it's the most effective method of administration. I find it cheaper, the effects are better and it last for longer (speed and cocaine). I think using clean needles (and disposing of them responsibly) each time I use is a much cleaner practice than say, sharing a pipe with 5 other people or snorting a line off a surface that god knows what has been there before.

Every time I or anyone that I know has been in the care of a medical practitioner, I have not known of any medication to be administered in a crack pipe, nor has the doctor asked me to snort a line from their desk......

Irresponsible IV users create stereotypes for ALL IV users, by not disposing of needles safely, re-using needles, sharing needles and blaming drugs and their method of administration for their addiction. I have known of people who have lost their home and gone to prison, because of bad choices and excessive use.... and they've never gone near a needle.

I am often frustrated at the reaction I get from the chemist when purchasing needles. It is often one of judgement that I feel is unfair and ill-informed. Being that I'm referring to a Pharmacist who has a university education in drugs and medications, and the various methods in which they are administered, I'm stunned that the purchase of sterile needles is so widely frowned upon.

Also, to fellow users who stand from their moral high ground - after they've snorted a line from a dirty toilet seat, or shared a group cold sore from the party pipe and announce to me their disapproval of needle use..... it's nothing more than laughable.

I am not a heavy user and I have never used outside of my financial means. I have never snatched a bag or broken into a persons home and it makes me sad that the piss poor actions of some, reflect such prejudice on those of us who prefer this method of use.

Maybe with a bit less judgement and more concern on maintaining a healthy balance in our lives, I don't think it really matters how we all choose to have a bit of fun.

I definitely relate to your experience with the chemist, or, well, in my case, pharmacist. I've even had experienced where someone would purposely pull out the packaged syringe, leave it out on the counter without putting it in a bag, while they slowly work the register. I stupidly went back to this pharmacy multiple times as it was convenient, and after experiencing the same treatment each time (it starts with a look of disgust), I realized that it really was his intention to belittle and humiliate me. Luckily my girlfriend got a hook up at a needle exchange so I havn't had to pay for fits in month's, but I agree that rather than being treated poorly, we should be treated at least with the same respect as everyone else. Sometimes when I get that look of disgust I feel like asking "what, would you rather me use the one outside by the dumpster?" Addiction is recognized as a disease by the medical community now, yet it still feels as though the majority of 'professionals' see it as a moral failing.

In regards to irresponsible IV use.. I respect your opinion and understand your frustration with such users, but I guess due to my own mistakes in the past, I feel sympathetic towards those who are ignorant, which is why I love being a part of bluelight. I used to be way less than sanitary when it came to my IV drug use, but I was younger, more desperate as well as more ignorant. I really do believe that becoming addicted to the act of injecting is a very real thing as I struggle with it myself, in fact, as I believe I posted earlier, I think I'm more addicted to the needle than anything else. However, I'm starting to see this as a good thing since I am working towards completely giving up this ROA (as I really don't I can handle it responsibly, at least in the long term), and as I can't imagine using certain drugs through any other ROA, I'd really prefer to just drop them altogether.

 

[helium-4]

I dunno if I'm just lucky with the techs and pharmacists at the walmart I buy syringes for (I'm in texas as well, though I am in the suburbs) or not, but I haven't had any problems with purchasing needles. Even when I think some of the employees there may see me a few times a week some weeks buying a 10 pack of insulin syringes at a time, none refuse to sell me them, talk to me in a condescending manner, or any other disrespectful actions. I'm really never sold needles by the pharmacist themselves, but by the techs. They seem almost oblivious to what I may be using them for. They'll ask me what they can get for me, I tell them for example 29 gauge 1cc 1/2in needles, they turn around to head for the shelf, pull a 10 pack out of one of the boxes, either puts it in a prescription bag or just hands them to me with the recipe. No point during do they make a face or attempt to run me off. I do approach them very politely and with a smile, so maybe its because I'm not throwing off a druggy vibe, I dunno. I would have though the pharmacist in Texas would be a bit more pushy then alot of areas in the United States, even with it being legal to purchase the syringes with out a prescription. I know some pharmacists will be dicks and refuse to sell them, but it makes no sense if they really are as educated as they should be. They should know the dangers of reusing needles, sharing needles, being pricked by a improperly disposed of needles, etc. and be happy to sell them to anyone that asks.

I do have the people around me not the counter occasionally give me looks. I really don't care though. I'm more than happy to be carrying them out in the open with out a bag through the store. I don't give a crap about what they might think. Granted usually when I'm buy syringes I'm really happy cuz I have some heroin on me or in the car and am going home to shoot up. I know I'm about to have a nice rush while the people around me will continue on with there boring lives haha.

 

[Coolio]

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So I ask the needles users here why do you do it? How did you get to the state where it was a needle or nothing? Yes I understand that injecting certain things brings an instant rush but it is really that different and special that you'd stick a needle in your arm or anywhere else for that matter.

For example, Heroin. Ive never had it and I absolutely will not have it because of all the stories you hear about people becoming addicted/changing after the first use. Is the rush/effect (Im not even sure what Heroin gives you) from IVing this THAT much better as opposed to sniffing it or taking orally?

Id really like to hear your thoughts on this.

Yes, not injecting heroin is a total waste of money. The rush is what people are really paying for and the price reflects that. People snorting it are overpaying by ridiculous amounts.

I love needles; I find injection, drawing blood, etc. erotic.

 

[trainwreck45]

I've been a IV user for 11 years and I've never felt addicted to the needle OR the drugs during that time. I work full time, have a second job 3 nights a week, have 2 houses and a great family and social life.

For me, it's the most effective method of administration. I find it cheaper, the effects are better and it last for longer (speed and cocaine). I think using clean needles (and disposing of them responsibly) each time I use is a much cleaner practice than say, sharing a pipe with 5 other people or snorting a line off a surface that god knows what has been there before.

Every time I or anyone that I know has been in the care of a medical practitioner, I have not known of any medication to be administered in a crack pipe, nor has the doctor asked me to snort a line from their desk......

Irresponsible IV users create stereotypes for ALL IV users, by not disposing of needles safely, re-using needles, sharing needles and blaming drugs and their method of administration for their addiction. I have known of people who have lost their home and gone to prison, because of bad choices and excessive use.... and they've never gone near a needle.

I am often frustrated at the reaction I get from the chemist when purchasing needles. It is often one of judgement that I feel is unfair and ill-informed. Being that I'm referring to a Pharmacist who has a university education in drugs and medications, and the various methods in which they are administered, I'm stunned that the purchase of sterile needles is so widely frowned upon.

Also, to fellow users who stand from their moral high ground - after they've snorted a line from a dirty toilet seat, or shared a group cold sore from the party pipe and announce to me their disapproval of needle use..... it's nothing more than laughable.

I am not a heavy user and I have never used outside of my financial means. I have never snatched a bag or broken into a persons home and it makes me sad that the piss poor actions of some, reflect such prejudice on those of us who prefer this method of use.

Maybe with a bit less judgement and more concern on maintaining a healthy balance in our lives, I don't think it really matters how we all choose to have a bit of fun.

Anyone can throw a few well placed letters together that make up words and justify anything. Look at the crusades how many people were killed because of what started as words? Try telling the chemist the rigs are for your dog that has to have his insulin shots multiple times a day.

 

[kingtweaker92]

I fucking hate to IV it's just an addiction at this point. I IV for the sole purpose of fulfilling my addiction to the needle itself. it doesn't make a difference what substance is in it. it'd the needle i'm hooked on. if you haven't IV'ed ever..just remember, curiosity kilted the cat.

 

[llama112]

I'm scared to death of needles too. I went with some people to donate blood. It was kind of forced (as in, they signed me up and I didn't want to say no). When I got into the place, I knew that, to have blood drawn, that they'd stick a needle in me. I knew I'd be disqualified based on drug use (I'd done ketamine the day before and oxys recently as well). But I was still so nervous that my heart rate was 172. They said they hadn't seen anyone with a rate that high. So anyway, that's how scared I am of needles. I don't think I could ever inject anything.

Those who inject say it's the rush. And I think you use less than if you are going for the same feeling ... but are dosing orally or sniffing it or something (depending on the drug of course).

 

[Morphling]

It's really very simple, everything works so much better when you stick it in the barrel! It's pretty bad tho, once you do it, you might try and see what else might work that way. Had a doctor ask me if I'd ever broken my nose...after years of snorting those lovely old opanas. Yeah sure, why not, I broke it prolly when I nodded out and passed out in the grocery store that one time!

I wasn't about to snort tar, nor smoke it, and my tolerance was already screwed. Cost effective? Hell no! Not when you're up to 2-3g a day.

Snorting meth burns...shooting doesn't, and it's godly.

After you start getting up to that kind of shenanigans, it's like....shoot molly, or crack, yeah why not! The doctors use these things, there must be something to it! Damn right there is, and it's massively difficult to stop once you start that sort of thought process, so just don't do it(but to be honest, I didn't give a damn when I started...eh).

 

[Pissangel]

^ Pretty much.

Though I don't automatically associate the term 'junkie' with people who inject. Nor with homeless people, people that have destroyed their lives, etc. You're a junkie because you're hooked on junk. Not because of what you're addicted to, how you administer it or because your life is in a complete disarray because of drugs.