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Injecting. Why?

I feel that this would be better suited for Drug Culture. I didn't read through the whole thread, but I'll put in my two nets before I transfer this.

Ive been an IV user for almost six years now. Like you, I was, as a child and even into my teens, not very find of needles. I hated (and actually still do) having my blood drawn, and I always despised shots. Even when I started sniffing heroin at eighteen, I really couldn't see myself taking the step and injecting the drug. I definately was curious as to how the 'infamous rush' felt, and sometimes fantasizes about doing it, but I actually only ever ended up trying IV due to, as sad as this is, peer pressure.

After that first shot, well actually second (the asshole who convinced me to let him fix me up accidentally skin popped the dope on his first attempt..), my whole 'distaste' for sticking needles into my flesh completely evaporated. This was obviously due to the fact that I now associate syringes with immediate, otherworldly euphoria. Had I been injected with some horrifying and volatile household cleaning agent, I'm sure I would never want to see a needle again (if I were to survive such an experience).

Anyway, that rush and that immediate gratification had me by the balls. One of the strange things about IV drug use (which in my oppinion makes kicking an IV habit-regardless of the drug more difficult in general) is that most people I've talked to, as well as myself fall in love with the ritual of it. I know that I experience a high from just prepping up the gear. With some substances (I'm thinking of MDPV and Cocaine), I will actually start to gag, and sometimes throw up while drawing the drug up into the syringe. All and all, IV use does not have to be, but sadly often does, lead to very self destructive behaviour. The syringe becomes almost an extension of your body, like some kind of fucked up parasite demanding your blood. But it's also in a sense a symbiotic relationship..

I don't know, I'm getting too intellectual about the whole thing. It just comes down to the association with the rush in the end.
 
there's a lot of meaning in znegative's post.

i guess once you experience an IV rush self administered there isn't much room to turn back.

as i said earlier - i remember that IV morphine rush. at my addiction peak i was extremely close to getting a needle.... but i fought myself not to. whether i'm glad or not, i don't know.

associating the needle with the rush is a perfect explanation in my opinion, i think i would have been the same, much like i associate sprite to a codeine mixture, that was my ritual and i fell in love with that too.
 
The needle is just more cost efficient. And I am a eight year iv user and I still don't like doing it I just know what I crave is just moments away and it becomes justified some how? Like they're all saying its the ritual of the whole affair.
 
a couple months ago i tried banging cocaine, i had never seen it done nor had any idea how to do it. now that i look back on it, it was probibly one of the dumbest things i have ever done. i suffer from bipolar disorder and ran out of my meds and couldn't see my doc for a couple weeks to get a refill and didn't want to go to a walk in clinic and ask for my meds (which i do now in this situation) i became suicidal and didn't care what happened to me. my decision was to bang my favorite street drug cocaine. i have access to very high grade but very expensive cocaine in large amounts. i had about an oz. sitting at my house and some needeles from doing hgh and other steroids. i was not afraid of needles due to past steroid use but that was all IM and subcotainious injection never had i injecting intervieniously. now when i was younger i took the paramedic course and knew how to give an iv so it wasn't hard to find a vein the first time i banged about .5 of a gram and heard the train and everything started to echo and was high pitched. i was hooked. i then started to chase that high and could never get that train to come chugging back by the end of my 2 day bender i had used almost the entire oz of coke and was injecting about 1.5 grams at a time. because i was so fucked up i had missed my vein several times and had several hematomas. lumps bumps and holes in my arm.... my arms where covered in blood. this very stupid experiance ended up lasting a month and i went through about 10 oz of coke. i then went back to my psyciatrist and went back on my meds and said i will never do that again. i am no longer suicidal and will never inject a drug ever again.... btw i ended up with a very bad staff infection and am now covered in scars and spend around $15000.00 in that month...

fyi i have a very high cocaine tolerance as i was a daily user for about 10 years at a couple grams a day every day and when i would go to a party i would never bring less then a 1/4 oz for myself...
i am now struggling with the worst cocaine addiction on the planet and i am a funtioning addict and if i do not use every 2 hours i get very ill. i am in contact with my parents and drug counciller about attending detox and rehab

all in all sticking a needle in your vein is the dumbest thing you can do, i will forever miss that high but a high is not worth your life!

and to those who think i am exagerating on quantities i am not i know i should be dead as 1.5g of pure cocaine is enough for an overdose but that was the plan it just never happened and i am very lucky
 
Yeah but honestly how long is it cheaper? A few days? A week?

Damn, you beat me to it. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, the rush is amazing and yeah, for a little bit of time, it is cheaper. But once that time is up, it's probably going to be just as, if not more expensive then your habit previously was.

Is IVing worth it? Nope, not in my opinion. & I've IV'd the drugs (imo) that are most worth it. Coke, heroin, dillies, etc. & yeah, at first, it's nice. But damn, man. I hate poking myself with a needle, that shit sucks.


But to get back on topic, why IV? Because most of the time, people are just looking for that rush. & they think it'll be cheaper. Until they're doing half gram to gram shots at a time, and only staying well for a couple of hours. & then you're right back where you started, except this time, you've got the needle addiction too. Because trust me, the ritual AND the needle, are just as addicting as the drugs are.
 
I think ketamine injected is great and worth it. It makes a k-hole alot easier to achieve and it changes the nature of the high. Makes it calmer and overall even more enjoyable imo.

I am (obviously) talking about IM injection here, I've tried IV too with a low dose, and while it has a strong and immediate effect even at low doses it's not worth it. It has a very short duration and it's not possible to (safely) IV a medium-high dose so I'd definitely advise against it unless you have someone else shoot you up. Even then, the very short duration alone makes it not worth it, imo.

Also, amphetamines injected offer a few benefits vs snorting, namely a decrease in side-effects (when IM'd or IV'd) like dry mouth, sore throat and pain. It also gives a mediocre rush when IV'd. It's not worth it though imo.
 
Thanks for everyones input thus far, I really appreciate it and im learning a lot from it. Im not curious about the high you get from it personally as needles really do scare the fuck out of me and therefore no rush/happy feeling is worth it.

I find it very odd and if im honest a little worried that some of you actually ENJOY the needle itself let alone the drug you use with it, I know we're all scared of different things and some people might like things I wouldn't but damn y'all are actually getting enjoyment from the needle itself. To me, and as I said before, no offence is intended to anyone, y'all crazy.

I use coke from time to time when im visiting certain family members and like most people (I hope) we sniff it and I can honestly say I don't get any enjoyment or pleasing feeling from just making a line.

So thus far;

People use the needle because it gives the best result from said drug.
People use the needle because they actually like the whole ritual of it all.
People use the needle because at first it gives the best 'bang 4 buck'

Some really good information is being shared here and I appreciate it.

Would anyone like to share any scary moment with the needle that turned you into an ex-needle user or just a scary situation in general?
Do any of you that are still currently needle users regret it? Think they should have done it sooner/later?
Anyone here just a flat out 'its a needle or nothing user'?

Again, thanks for all the input, I really do appreciate everyones time.
 
the thing that got me to stop using the needle was when i got back on my meds and realized i had such a bad infection i had a 1" round hole in my arm that went about half way through...staffe infection.... the higher i got the less i would care about any harm reduction or clenleness... i never shared a needle but did use ones i had dropped on the floor without cleaning cus i was fiending so bad i didn't have time to clean it that and being in the suicidal state i was in i didn't think i would live long enough to get an infection.... i was very very stupid....
 
People use the needle because it gives the best result from said drug.
People use the needle because they actually like the whole ritual of it all.
People use the needle because at first it gives the best 'bang 4 buck'
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definatly the best result from the drug but you never get as high as the first time and your always chasing it thus doing more and more each time so it definatly is not the best bang for your buck very quickly.... the ritual of it all is very addicting in itself i definatly agree with that and everytime i look at my arms and see a vein i start thinking about that ritual and then the end result of the drug.... fuck i gotta get off this forum before i relaps becuase i definatly miss everything about it other then the scars and infections and cleaning up after a bender.....
 
Would anyone like to share any scary moment with the needle that turned you into an ex-needle user or just a scary situation in general?
Do any of you that are still currently needle users regret it? Think they should have done it sooner/later?
Anyone here just a flat out 'its a needle or nothing user'?

Again, thanks for all the input, I really do appreciate everyones time.


I was a needle or nothing user. I got so obsessed with obtaining a rush that I would order research chemicals (mostly cathinones), and just shoot then without doing an allergy test or anything. I litterally have tried to shoot every drug (aside from marijuana and GBL) that I've tried. I don't say this to brag, I think it's really fucked up.

Basically, I've had quite a few horrible expereiences from Iv drug use. I caught a MRSA blood infection which almost killed me, and landed me in the hospital. Before I was admitted I was experiencing horrific shooting pains in my neck and back, as well as temporary paralysis on the left side of my body.

The scariest thing that ever happened to me we from shooting cocaine. I had bought a large peice of crack, and was using tho vitamin c packets to dissolve it. After a few shots which weren't doing much for me, I emptied the rest of the Baggie into the spoon which still had crack residue (not fully dissolved residue either) and poured a fuckload of vitamin c on top of it all to ensure I got all the cocaine out for my last shot. What ended up happening as I found out much too late was that I had not been using nearly enough citric acid to dissolve the crack, so I pretty much ended up with ALL of the crack that I started off with in one shot. Anyway, I shot it, and started to get the bellringer I had been trying to achieve, but unlike the usual ringer which lasts two minutes, this one went on for about five, and I became paralyzed n the floor with my extremities spasming uncontrollably. I also the felt a tightness in my throat and chest and my breathing became very labored, like the worst asthma attack I've ever had x2. I basically just sat on my bed, unable to move, feeling numb through one whole side of my body, and tried to control my breathing to maximize the ammount of oxygen I was getting. I wanted to yell out for help but was unable to speak. Eventually I passed out, luckily woke up the next day in a pool of sweat.
 
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Wow that sounds incredibility scary. I can't see how you survived such an ordeal. Please tell me you no longer shoot? You would have to be seriously crazy to still do it after what you went through. Being temp paralysed would have been enough for me to stop everything.
 
I used to be ungodly afraid of needles and any medical situations. I eventually was forced to be pricked all the time because of a blood clot I got when I was a kid (18 ), which sucked but I knew I will have to get over my phobia and help reduce the vasovagel syndrome I have in response to needles and doctors. Well one day I was tired of snorting tar, and I had a talk with my counselor about immersion therapy with needles, so I got my junkie friend to shoot me up. I started to shoot up h after that. I save money (I don't inject multiple times a day), and it has actually got me over a lot of my issue with needles. Thou of course this isn't what,y counselor ment, and associating needls with heroin isn't the smartest thing to do, but hell, IV heroic rocks. I also want to be able to IM k the next time I get some so, I wanted to get over my fear for that
 
I dont understand the fear of needles. I can't remember a single time in my life when I had a fear of a shot. I'm with Captain, I don't mind it at all. Ive had so many IV's in a hospital setting that really its just normal. I'm more afraid of an abscess than a needle.
 
a couple months ago i tried banging cocaine, i had never seen it done nor had any idea how to do it. Now that i look back on it, it was probibly one of the dumbest things i have ever done. I suffer from bipolar disorder and ran out of my meds and couldn't see my doc for a couple weeks to get a refill and didn't want to go to a walk in clinic and ask for my meds (which i do now in this situation) i became suicidal and didn't care what happened to me. My decision was to bang my favorite street drug cocaine. I have access to very high grade but very expensive cocaine in large amounts. I had about an oz. Sitting at my house and some needeles from doing hgh and other steroids. I was not afraid of needles due to past steroid use but that was all im and subcotainious injection never had i injecting intervieniously. Now when i was younger i took the paramedic course and knew how to give an iv so it wasn't hard to find a vein the first time i banged about .5 of a gram and heard the train and everything started to echo and was high pitched. I was hooked. I then started to chase that high and could never get that train to come chugging back by the end of my 2 day bender i had used almost the entire oz of coke and was injecting about 1.5 grams at a time. Because i was so fucked up i had missed my vein several times and had several hematomas. Lumps bumps and holes in my arm.... My arms where covered in blood. This very stupid experiance ended up lasting a month and i went through about 10 oz of coke. I then went back to my psyciatrist and went back on my meds and said i will never do that again. I am no longer suicidal and will never inject a drug ever again.... Btw i ended up with a very bad staff infection and am now covered in scars and spend around $15000.00 in that month...

Fyi i have a very high cocaine tolerance as i was a daily user for about 10 years at a couple grams a day every day and when i would go to a party i would never bring less then a 1/4 oz for myself...
I am now struggling with the worst cocaine addiction on the planet and i am a funtioning addict and if i do not use every 2 hours i get very ill. I am in contact with my parents and drug counciller about attending detox and rehab

all in all sticking a needle in your vein is the dumbest thing you can do, i will forever miss that high but a high is not worth your life!

And to those who think i am exagerating on quantities i am not i know i should be dead as 1.5g of pure cocaine is enough for an overdose but that was the plan it just never happened and i am very lucky

wtf.
 
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Wow that sounds incredibility scary. I can't see how you survived such an ordeal. Please tell me you no longer shoot? You would have to be seriously crazy to still do it after what you went through. Being temp paralysed would have been enough for me to stop everything.

I still shoot, though I've toned it down a lot, and last night my girl and I vowed to put down the needle. We'll see how things go, but its been almost twenty four hours and I'm not missing it. However, I've been clean before, and I'm not so naive to believe that from this point on things will be hunky dory. I know that its a daily challenge. (oh and for the record I dont mean I intend to put down all drugs, just the ones I can bear to use without shooting)

The thing about addiction is that you rarely can be "scared straight". I'm an artist, so my right hand means everything to me. Yet I've repeatedly shot up into it, had it blow up, lost mobility etc.. I even hit a nerve in my right forearm and after spending 12 hours in complete fear and self loathing, i went ahead and shot up again that night. Ultimately I believe when it comes to deep seated addiction, the only thing that's going to stop an addict is when they've just become fucking tired of it. At this point, I am pretty confident that I'm at that point. Shooting drugs has lost its glamour, and since I've only been using heroin, the rush isn't even worth the destruction. I highly suggest rectal administration to anyone who's reached the point I'm at. It's not going to deliver the same rush, but its got it's own charms, and as I've gotten more and more used to it, I am actually enjoying the more gradual onset (and of course the increased duration!)
 
I can't imagine being afraid of needles. I was one of those kids who didn't get squeamish when I was getting a vaccination.

When I was in school and we had our shots, I always skipped school. I didn't have any of my major shots in high school until after I left and that was only because I was physically forced to, basically I was pinned down by my father and brother while the nurse gave me a shot.

Im not exactly squeamish of needles, more like absolutely petrified of them, as I mentioned before if I become unwell to the point where I had to visit the doctor and he tells me that I have to give bloods I refuse and walk out and just live with the pain/discomfort until its gone.

Znegative - Im pleased that you've decided to give it up. You will feel alot better once the WDs are gone. I think its good that you and your partner have done it together. You both have someone to lean on when the going gets tough. Keep it up.
 
I've been a IV user for 11 years and I've never felt addicted to the needle OR the drugs during that time. I work full time, have a second job 3 nights a week, have 2 houses and a great family and social life.

For me, it's the most effective method of administration. I find it cheaper, the effects are better and it last for longer (speed and cocaine). I think using clean needles (and disposing of them responsibly) each time I use is a much cleaner practice than say, sharing a pipe with 5 other people or snorting a line off a surface that god knows what has been there before.

Every time I or anyone that I know has been in the care of a medical practitioner, I have not known of any medication to be administered in a crack pipe, nor has the doctor asked me to snort a line from their desk......

Irresponsible IV users create stereotypes for ALL IV users, by not disposing of needles safely, re-using needles, sharing needles and blaming drugs and their method of administration for their addiction. I have known of people who have lost their home and gone to prison, because of bad choices and excessive use.... and they've never gone near a needle.

I am often frustrated at the reaction I get from the chemist when purchasing needles. It is often one of judgement that I feel is unfair and ill-informed. Being that I'm referring to a Pharmacist who has a university education in drugs and medications, and the various methods in which they are administered, I'm stunned that the purchase of sterile needles is so widely frowned upon.

Also, to fellow users who stand from their moral high ground - after they've snorted a line from a dirty toilet seat, or shared a group cold sore from the party pipe and announce to me their disapproval of needle use..... it's nothing more than laughable.

I am not a heavy user and I have never used outside of my financial means. I have never snatched a bag or broken into a persons home and it makes me sad that the piss poor actions of some, reflect such prejudice on those of us who prefer this method of use.

Maybe with a bit less judgement and more concern on maintaining a healthy balance in our lives, I don't think it really matters how we all choose to have a bit of fun.
 
lol, such a naiive question.. why would a junkie inject dope?! the same reason hospitals inject morphine in their patients. its 100% effective, wasting no dope at all, unlike snorting or smoking..

also the question would be the same as asking "why do drunks like to drink 4 loko until they black out and piss on themseles?" because thats what drunks do...

and banging dope is what junkies do;....
 
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