Injecting in the neck?

[K88ABY]

First of all - Mods, I apologise if this is in the wrong place and or if (which I'm sure it is somewhere) my answer is buried somewhere in these forums. I have searched aimlessly but to no avail, and I really do need help with this please and given the experience and knowledge of bluelighthers here I am....

My veins are ruined. Totally. I've been using for years and it's taken its toll on every available vein in my body - apart from my neck.
I know that whoever is reading this will instantly want to tell me that it's time to stop and think about different ROAs. But I'm a needle fiend as well as a junkie. My question is this: when injecting in the neck, do you inject downwards? I know that you should always inject towards the heart, but I have even seen people first hand injecting in their necks with the needle facing up. Every time I've seen someone inject their neck it's the same. They point up. I went to do it this morning and the thought suddenly dawned on me... am I doing this right, or about to do serious damage....? Subsequently I lost my shot, because I just have nowhere else to go and I want to do it right. Though I've not tried my groin. It frightens me because I've hit arteries lots of times, and the thought of it terrifies me. So, experienced BLers - please help me.. what would you do?
Bear in mind, I've not come here for a lecture or to be told how stupid I am, I knew that the first time I picked the pin up. But it is what it is.. in the interests of harm reduction, what's the safest, easiest way for me to IV my dope? Thanks in advance - and mods if this is in the wrong place please move to the appropriate forum.

 

[jaspersilence]

Wow...let's see...I've done a little research,which I'm sure you have as well.In most cases people do aim down,but the ones who have done it will never again.It's just too risky.Many fourms are plagued with people who have done it saying"DON'T DO IT!!!"Perhaps this is good opportunity to get clean.What about plugging?Can you plug your D.O.C(drug of choice)?

 

[bunge]

Injection into the jugular or neighbouring smaller veins is just way to risky. Although I have seen it done both professionally and recreationally im not that comfortable giving you the info because even performed correctly its a risky area for an entry point. Remember the swelling caused by missing a shot in another area? In the arm or leg its just a painful lump but in the neck thats a swelling that could close your airway or block important vessels leading to the brain which would cause a TIA (transcient ischemic attack). Its a hard shot for a doctor to do on a patient which is why its a last ditch attempt sort of thing, never mind someone with no training and possibly a less then steady hand(no offence meant, just going from past experience). Have you attempted to use your foot or ankle? Even the wrist would be a better option and I would be happy to give some pointers on injecting into these areas. The wrist can be good if your quite slim, although bloody painful aswell but not too risky.

 

[K88ABY]

Wow...let's see...I've done a little research,which I'm sure you have as well.In most cases people do aim down,but the ones who have done it will never again.It's just too risky.Many fourms are plagued with people who have done it saying"DON'T DO IT!!!"Perhaps this is good opportunity to get clean.What about plugging?Can you plug your D.O.C(drug of choice)?

Obviously it's an option, though I have a bad needle fetish. And we all know that number 1 on the 'get clean' route.. is absolutely wanting to 110%. And I'm not kidding myself. Looks grim, I know, but I'm not a scabby, hollow 'exist to score' user. I'm your average, working addict with a good job, nice home, and horses! Thanks for the reply. Most of the users I know have used their neck at some point, and as I said, they've all stuck their pins up towards their brains. Just defies the 'rules' if you like. I want to know what I am doing.

 

[K88ABY]

Injection into the jugular or neighbouring smaller veins is just way to risky. Although I have seen it done both professionally and recreationally im not that comfortable giving you the info because even performed correctly its a risky area for an entry point. Remember the swelling caused by missing a shot in another area? In the arm or leg its just a painful lump but in the neck thats a swelling that could close your airway or block important vessels leading to the brain which would cause a TIA (transcient ischemic attack). Its a hard shot for a doctor to do on a patient which is why its a last ditch attempt sort of thing, never mind someone with no training and possibly a less then steady hand(no offence meant, just going from past experience). Have you attempted to use your foot or ankle? Even the wrist would be a better option and I would be happy to give some pointers on injecting into these areas. The wrist can be good if your quite slim, although bloody painful aswell but not too risky.

Bunge, I've used my wrists, hands - even the small veins between my fingers are shot. As for feet... That's an option I guess, to be honest the thought never crossed my mind- so I owe you a thanks, because my neck would absolutely be my last resort.
I've just taken a minute to look a my feet, and have some good veins there. Though are they good to get? Seems a complicated network down there, but I'm up for it before I attempt my neck of course. I have good circulation in my lower body as I'm very very active. Thanks again, because I now think this is a safer option. I hear what you say about missing and the damage it could cause in the neck. Scary stuff. If you have any good tips for getting feet, I'm all ears.

 

[JJ-180]

Foot veins are better than your neck,just inject slowly and steadily as those veins are quite fragile.

 

[Mass08]

Please please please don't do this. It is so risky man, think about what your putting on the line. That's a very dangerous game your thinking about playing

 

[bunge]

Ok, I dont inject myself but ive got some medical background and ive seen both hypos and canulas placed in the feet but just bear in mind I cant give you personal experience just objective view.lol
Anyway that aside, the veins you want are near the surface on the top of the foot, nearer the ankle the better as they will be more stable. Go for the ones one outside of the foot, too close to the arch of the foot and the veins will likely roll, somewhere between your ankle and second to last toe is best. Be sure to wash your foot before disinfecting the area, very important with the area it is in. use a short tip needle if possible, it will be easier to hit and keep the vein then. If your still struggling then try curling your toes or even doing some jumping jacks(sounds silly but it will force blood into your feet) apart from thats all as normal.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

First of all - Mods, I apologise if this is in the wrong place and or if (which I'm sure it is somewhere) my answer is buried somewhere in these forums. I have searched aimlessly but to no avail, and I really do need help with this please and given the experience and knowledge of bluelighthers here I am....

My veins are ruined. Totally. I've been using for years and it's taken its toll on every available vein in my body - apart from my neck.
I know that whoever is reading this will instantly want to tell me that it's time to stop and think about different ROAs. But I'm a needle fiend as well as a junkie. My question is this: when injecting in the neck, do you inject downwards? I know that you should always inject towards the heart, but I have even seen people first hand injecting in their necks with the needle facing up. Every time I've seen someone inject their neck it's the same. They point up. I went to do it this morning and the thought suddenly dawned on me... am I doing this right, or about to do serious damage....? Subsequently I lost my shot, because I just have nowhere else to go and I want to do it right. Though I've not tried my groin. It frightens me because I've hit arteries lots of times, and the thought of it terrifies me. So, experienced BLers - please help me.. what would you do?
Bear in mind, I've not come here for a lecture or to be told how stupid I am, I knew that the first time I picked the pin up. But it is what it is.. in the interests of harm reduction, what's the safest, easiest way for me to IV my dope? Thanks in advance - and mods if this is in the wrong place please move to the appropriate forum.

I remember seeing a post almost identical to this, to the point where I had to double-check the date on your post because I thought it was that older post (somehow I can't find it right now though unfortunately). There ARE alternatives to injecting in your neck, I don't believe that every other usable vein on your body is ruined. Have you tried the veins running down the insides of your legs for one example? Every time I see someone saying they have nowhere left to shoot but their neck I find they have perfectly good veins they haven't even tried, so sorry if I'm automatically a bit skeptical. If you need help on how to hit veins that aren't very visible on the surface, or good locations to try, please let me know. You may also want to do some reading about how to avoid damaging your veins in the future. Number one thing is never ever re-use a needle (there are lots of other tips too).

As for injecting up vs down, the people pointing the needle upwards when hitting their neck are doing it wrong. It's just that people may find it easier that way (and probably a lot of people just see others doing it that way and copy them), you should still be pointing the needle in the direction of blood flow towards your heart (in this case downwards).

 

[K88ABY]

SD^^ Thanks for that. I thought for a long time before asking here, but I'm very glad I did. Any advice on hitting these not too visible veins would be a great help. I have to say though, every time I've found a good site, it has literally been by mistake. We've all been there haven't we.. poking ourselves relentlessly until we find the blessed vein. I've used behind my knees and even my thumbs. I've used up all the veins in the back of my hands too. I've even injected into the chest veins visible on my boobs8).
You mentioned the veins inside the legs.. I've tried to find them and I can't. But I'd like to. By the way, I've decided to abandon the neck idea.

 

[Viralrush]

First of all - Mods, I apologise if this is in the wrong place and or if (which I'm sure it is somewhere) my answer is buried somewhere in these forums. I have searched aimlessly but to no avail, and I really do need help with this please and given the experience and knowledge of bluelighthers here I am....

My veins are ruined. Totally. I've been using for years and it's taken its toll on every available vein in my body - apart from my neck.
I know that whoever is reading this will instantly want to tell me that it's time to stop and think about different ROAs. But I'm a needle fiend as well as a junkie. My question is this: when injecting in the neck, do you inject downwards? I know that you should always inject towards the heart, but I have even seen people first hand injecting in their necks with the needle facing up. Every time I've seen someone inject their neck it's the same. They point up. I went to do it this morning and the thought suddenly dawned on me... am I doing this right, or about to do serious damage....? Subsequently I lost my shot, because I just have nowhere else to go and I want to do it right. Though I've not tried my groin. It frightens me because I've hit arteries lots of times, and the thought of it terrifies me. So, experienced BLers - please help me.. what would you do?
Bear in mind, I've not come here for a lecture or to be told how stupid I am, I knew that the first time I picked the pin up. But it is what it is.. in the interests of harm reduction, what's the safest, easiest way for me to IV my dope? Thanks in advance - and mods if this is in the wrong place please move to the appropriate forum.

As a paramedic, I've done external jugular (EJ) lines many times before, such as in a cardiac arrest. But I ONLY start them in that location if the person's life is on the line, and im trained to do them and have experience doing them. There is simply way too many complications that can and will kill you to use it as a IV access site on a regular basis for recreational drug use. Please search for other ways to administer your d.o.c. Be safe out there.

-Viral

 

[EmilyJanex0]

Ive heard about people injecting into the "main vein".

 

[smokemctoke420]

thats soime intervention type shit. is there no other way around it??

 

[laCster]

Sketch , very sketch. If you mess up you could kill yourself. Injecting into an artery is always sketch, that is why veins are a more common practice.

I'd try the feet or the vein by your thumbs before your neck, those hurt like a bitch though.

Have you ever plugged? It is much safer and that roa won't collapse like veins

 

[tentram]

Ive heard about people injecting into the "main vein".

generally the main vein is the cephalic which runs into the crook of your elbow.

unless you mean the vein that runs directly up the penis?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

^LOL

Swimmingdancer do you mean this thread? In the case of ethylphenidate addiction a while back...

No, but that one has some good responses too. Possibly I was thinking of this thread, I'm not sure...

SD^^ Thanks for that. I thought for a long time before asking here, but I'm very glad I did. Any advice on hitting these not too visible veins would be a great help. I have to say though, every time I've found a good site, it has literally been by mistake. We've all been there haven't we.. poking ourselves relentlessly until we find the blessed vein. I've used behind my knees and even my thumbs. I've used up all the veins in the back of my hands too. I've even injected into the chest veins visible on my boobs8).
You mentioned the veins inside the legs.. I've tried to find them and I can't. But I'd like to. By the way, I've decided to abandon the neck idea.

I'm glad to hear that!

So the best veins in the legs run up the insides, here is a diagram:

You want the great saphenous vein, shown in pink above. Avoid the top near the groin and avoid the bottom at the ankle. If you have fair skin you should be able to see this vein as it's close to the surface, but if not you can learn to feel for veins. Veins feel sort of like a spongy noodle under the skin. You can apply pressure with your fingers above (towards the heart) from where you want to hit to plump the vein up a bit. I found the areas above the knee and below the knee to be best for this vein. Let me know if you want some other location suggestions that aren't the neck

If you can learn where suitable relatively safe veins are located by looking at vein maps and learn how to feel for them there should be other places you can hit, there may even be some veins left in your arms that work, or spots on your damaged veins that are above or below where you used to hit them.

There are also things you can do to help plump up your veins:
- drink lots of water (also eating something before injecting can help too); dehydration makes your veins shrink
- have a hot bath/shower and keep the room warm
- exercise: even doing a couple jumping jacks before injecting will help in the short-term, and if you exercise regularly in the long-term will increase your vein size

Have you improved your IV procedure/technique in order to avoid doing more damage to your veins now? Do you want some tips?

What are you injecting and do you filter it?

And again, NEVER re-use needles, I can't stress enough how much re-using needles destroys your veins.

 

[tentram]

^LOL

oh you get your mind out of the gutter, miss