I am a daily kratom user. I dose twice a day at about 4-6g of plain powdered leaf. I have been at this dosing schedule for several months, and have been using it daily for about 18 months or so. In the past I've mixed kratom with rhodiola rosea with disappointing results. For me rhodiola is a pretty potent stimulant at about 1-3g of raw root or the normal extract doses indicated on the bottle, which makes me likely to be a typical positive response to the herb. I enjoy the effects, however I rarely use it because I find that it completely blocks out the analgesia and euphoria from my kratom doses.
Today, I was just kind of fooling around and thought I needed a little mood lift between kratom doses, and thought "what the hell" and decided to see if 100mg of raw rhodiola root (NOT extract) would have a noticeable effect, and hopefully not ruin my kratom experience later on. Needless to say I felt pretty much nothing discernible from placebo. Several hours later, as my scheduled kratom dose drew near, I decided to do a pretty intense workout, consisting of running for about 15 minutes and several rounds of pushups and crunches. By the end of it, I was a tiny bit sore and my arms were shaky from the pushups. I figured it was the perfect time for a nice relaxing dose of red Indo.(sedative strain) I took 6g, which is a tiny bit more than usual, but not much. A few minutes later I took an average dose of schisandra, about a gram or 5 berries, which I have combined with kratom before at up to 2g. It is a mild mao-b inhibitor, which normally increases the analgesia of the kratom by a little bit, though it can make me dizzy and wobbly-eyed. Around the 30 minute mark I got a nice rush of energy which was surprising because red Indo is normally sedative and relaxing. I decided to put on some music in my room. The euphoria began to steadily build far beyond what I normally get from my dose, and I found I was no longer exhausted at all, and got up and began to dance. I ended up going hard non-stop for a little over an hour, I could feel the music in an empathogenic sense, with beautiful meaning, it reminded me of my very first virgin dose of kratom, which was around 9g of leaf, only this was more clear-headed and energetic, with no nod or visual distortion, in fact it was the exact opposite, my vision was enhanced. I felt amazing, and even after I finished literally skanking my socks off (I almost slipped in my sweat that had been accumulating below me, I had no shirt on) I still felt energized and ready for even more physical activity, I felt I could do twice the exercise that could be afforded by a large dose of amphetamine, because there was ZERO fatigue, or any sign of overdoing it. I walked over to check my eyes, and not only were they clear and not glazed, they were pretty large (not tryptamine large, but my normal nighttime dilation.) This is unheard of for me. Even with daily use, as little as 4g can constrict my pupils. I then sat down to take in what I'd discovered, and my mind began to wander to feelings of gratitude. I thought about how lucky I am to be young, healthy, and ALIVE! I considered my position in the universe, how blessed I am to have friends and family who love me. I don't normally pray, but I felt it was appropriate to dedicate positive energy to my loved ones and the rest of the universe.
As I write this the energy is still going strong, and I have begun to feel a little analgesia from the kratom. I am still in disbelief at how much less than 1/10th of an average rhodiola dose can affect my reaction to kratom, and how it can alter an opioid buzz into what feels like a heavily stimulating serotonin experience. The combination is ten-fold what either on their own could be (especially on the rhodiola side, 100mg root isn't really perceivably active for me.) I wil try to replicate this experience in the near future and report back. If anyone else would like to try this, please keep in mind that your average dose of rhodiola will surely block out the effects of kratom (I confirmed this by reading the posts of at least half a dozen daily kratom users on on another forum.) Very interesting stuff...
Today, I was just kind of fooling around and thought I needed a little mood lift between kratom doses, and thought "what the hell" and decided to see if 100mg of raw rhodiola root (NOT extract) would have a noticeable effect, and hopefully not ruin my kratom experience later on. Needless to say I felt pretty much nothing discernible from placebo. Several hours later, as my scheduled kratom dose drew near, I decided to do a pretty intense workout, consisting of running for about 15 minutes and several rounds of pushups and crunches. By the end of it, I was a tiny bit sore and my arms were shaky from the pushups. I figured it was the perfect time for a nice relaxing dose of red Indo.(sedative strain) I took 6g, which is a tiny bit more than usual, but not much. A few minutes later I took an average dose of schisandra, about a gram or 5 berries, which I have combined with kratom before at up to 2g. It is a mild mao-b inhibitor, which normally increases the analgesia of the kratom by a little bit, though it can make me dizzy and wobbly-eyed. Around the 30 minute mark I got a nice rush of energy which was surprising because red Indo is normally sedative and relaxing. I decided to put on some music in my room. The euphoria began to steadily build far beyond what I normally get from my dose, and I found I was no longer exhausted at all, and got up and began to dance. I ended up going hard non-stop for a little over an hour, I could feel the music in an empathogenic sense, with beautiful meaning, it reminded me of my very first virgin dose of kratom, which was around 9g of leaf, only this was more clear-headed and energetic, with no nod or visual distortion, in fact it was the exact opposite, my vision was enhanced. I felt amazing, and even after I finished literally skanking my socks off (I almost slipped in my sweat that had been accumulating below me, I had no shirt on) I still felt energized and ready for even more physical activity, I felt I could do twice the exercise that could be afforded by a large dose of amphetamine, because there was ZERO fatigue, or any sign of overdoing it. I walked over to check my eyes, and not only were they clear and not glazed, they were pretty large (not tryptamine large, but my normal nighttime dilation.) This is unheard of for me. Even with daily use, as little as 4g can constrict my pupils. I then sat down to take in what I'd discovered, and my mind began to wander to feelings of gratitude. I thought about how lucky I am to be young, healthy, and ALIVE! I considered my position in the universe, how blessed I am to have friends and family who love me. I don't normally pray, but I felt it was appropriate to dedicate positive energy to my loved ones and the rest of the universe.
As I write this the energy is still going strong, and I have begun to feel a little analgesia from the kratom. I am still in disbelief at how much less than 1/10th of an average rhodiola dose can affect my reaction to kratom, and how it can alter an opioid buzz into what feels like a heavily stimulating serotonin experience. The combination is ten-fold what either on their own could be (especially on the rhodiola side, 100mg root isn't really perceivably active for me.) I wil try to replicate this experience in the near future and report back. If anyone else would like to try this, please keep in mind that your average dose of rhodiola will surely block out the effects of kratom (I confirmed this by reading the posts of at least half a dozen daily kratom users on on another forum.) Very interesting stuff...
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