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In Love With A Straight Guy (Utterly Confused As To What To Do)

because obviously you know what a straight guy does. :\. I'm not trying troll you Lysis, I'm just curious about your narrow minded preconception (I'm not trying to judge you, it's just that I don't undestand). I'm just not used to that way of thinking.

Maybe it's a cultural thing. I'm latino so I don't think there's anything wrong with hugging and kissing your friends. Even holding hands isn't a big deal. or it might be that i'm a free loving hippie :)

I know how latinos are. I lived in South Florida my whole life! I realize they are very touchy and a man showing affection is normal, but just one of my experiences with a group of people (3 being latino straight guys) was that we were with 2 gay men and we all got really drunk. Gay dude whips "it" out in front of all of us. The latino guys had to be calmed down, because they wanted to beat his ass for it. Machismo steps in with straight latino men.

With age comes experience, and a lot of the younger people have some ideals that aren't real life. They are sweet, but not real life. Straight guys with 0 interest in a homo experience do not do what CZ_x's friend is doing. They make it clear from the get-go that they are not interested in the gay guy. They don't lead the guy on and play affectionate games with him. Especially the part where he was putting his hand down his pants and the guy did nothing.

You might not realize this, because you are gay and they aren't going to say some of the shit in front of you that they do in front of me more openly.
 
That's all well and good, but that is a topic better covered in an alternate thread, no?

This is about Alex' and his crush on an unatainable.

...not sure how this discussion devolved into a debate about intentions and/or orientation.

:?
 
totally OT
dont be crossdressing
id be a little upset and maybe too flattered if someone went to such extremes to be with me
then again i love attention but i would just have you change >.>
 
Okay, now I know this might be clinging to things that I have fabricated to give myself hope, and/or be illogical on my part, but there seems to be something more behind this guy. Not sure if I said, but we were never really good friends, but rather talked here and there, laughed and such. I often put on the role of the fool, and was quite histrionic when I was going to the same school he was, so it was not as if he was the only one laughing at my histrionic/over-the-top/exaggerated/flamboyant behavior, but he did laugh. And, in the class we shared or in the hall, perhaps, we would share a passing smile. I talked to everyone with extreme explicit candor, so I really did not filter what I said about my personal feelings and thoughts, and the same applies to him. It just felt, at times, that he appreciated HOW I was and WHAT I was - silly and ridiculous, but caring, very frank and open etc. I remember once we were sitting at the same table, and he, out of the blue, passed me something he had written for a writing class of his. He wanted me to read it, and I did, and I complimented him saying that he was very artistic etc., and he is/was artistic enjoying photography, probably writing, architecture. But, while I was reading it he smiled a bit, and appreciated the lauding I gave him. He was the type that was able to put on a front of sorts, but that came off when he was relaxed - and it was never on with me.

The weird thing is that after he suspected and sort of found out I had some feelings for him (some at that point, more now), he did sort of distance himself from me, but would still smile and laugh with me here and there. I have gotten the impression that he has the potential to engage in homosexual behavior on his own accord, yet I think he is unable to due to some mental block, and his relatively good success with male friends, with whom he does enjoy a good time. I think he'd be afraid of the loneliness he thinks might ensue if he were to be openly homosexual, to whatever extent. We label so much - gay, straight, bisexual, transgender, transsexual etc., and I don't even think sexuality and gender indentity can be measured on a sliding scale, but rather each individual's is uniquely different.

Here is a little more food for thought about the guy: He VERY recently, and out of the complete blue, "liked" my FB profile picture which is not a photo of me but a piece of artwork of an older woman (painting). Now, what the fuck? I feel like he is just fucking with me there, or life is, somehow. He could have liked a variety of statuses I've put up, any other photo, a certain "activity" or some such, but he chose to "like" my profile pic, again depicting an older woman. It was always kind of a joke - I would call myself an old woman, because well I am very much like one, but it wasn't a joke with just him, sort of just a general joke, so why, then, would he "like" this painting. Is he just attracted to the painting, and even if that is the case, why would he "like" it, him knowing that I have had feelings for him of a sexual nature? To see that notification was a real whip. I just didn't get it - still don't. What the fuck does it mean?

And, being it is the case that I likely will move right around to where he lives currently, for reasons not just about him (and that is 100 % true), should I pursue him in a more authentic, less planned/sneaky/elaborate way? Should I just contact him when I am living near him, and casually suggest a dinner or a drink or something, perhaps inviting his girlfriend along (should he have one at the time), or maybe his other guy friends along? The longing to be truly with him will always be there, but I think if I am just close with him (even in platonic friendship), I would be truly happy. I will re-iterate, the feelings for him are not very literally sexual at all, rather romantic and loving and, yes, enthralled. If I were to do this platonic relationship shit, would I need a pretext because were never that good of friends and there some awkwardness? Could I offer a "bribe" of sorts (e.g. paying for dinner at a nice restaurant, buying tickets for a show or game, giving a phony reason such as interest in getting to know the area better from someone who is not a stranger etc.), and with that bribe start a friendship off? Again, in this way, I could invite his other friends. It could then progress however it might, but is this smarter than being more overt and just telling him I love him and want him etc.? This sounds like a decent idea to me, actually, especially if I were to have a boyfriend at the time, thus taking any homophobic sentiments on his part away from him. I need some ideas on this, if you could BL? Thank you, in advance!
 
Okay, now I know this might be clinging to things that I have fabricated to give myself hope, and/or be illogical on my part, but there seems to be something more behind this guy. Not sure if I said, but we were never really good friends, but rather talked here and there, laughed and such. I often put on the role of the fool, and was quite histrionic when I was going to the same school he was, so it was not as if he was the only one laughing at my histrionic/over-the-top/exaggerated/flamboyant behavior, but he did laugh. And, in the class we shared or in the hall, perhaps, we would share a passing smile. I talked to everyone with extreme explicit candor, so I really did not filter what I said about my personal feelings and thoughts, and the same applies to him. It just felt, at times, that he appreciated HOW I was and WHAT I was - silly and ridiculous, but caring, very frank and open etc. I remember once we were sitting at the same table, and he, out of the blue, passed me something he had written for a writing class of his. He wanted me to read it, and I did, and I complimented him saying that he was very artistic etc., and he is/was artistic enjoying photography, probably writing, architecture. But, while I was reading it he smiled a bit, and appreciated the lauding I gave him. He was the type that was able to put on a front of sorts, but that came off when he was relaxed - and it was never on with me.

The weird thing is that after he suspected and sort of found out I had some feelings for him (some at that point, more now), he did sort of distance himself from me, but would still smile and laugh with me here and there. I have gotten the impression that he has the potential to engage in homosexual behavior on his own accord, yet I think he is unable to due to some mental block, and his relatively good success with male friends, with whom he does enjoy a good time. I think he'd be afraid of the loneliness he thinks might ensue if he were to be openly homosexual, to whatever extent. We label so much - gay, straight, bisexual, transgender, transsexual etc., and I don't even think sexuality and gender indentity can be measured on a sliding scale, but rather each individual's is uniquely different.

Here is a little more food for thought about the guy: He VERY recently, and out of the complete blue, "liked" my FB profile picture which is not a photo of me but a piece of artwork of an older woman (painting). Now, what the fuck? I feel like he is just fucking with me there, or life is, somehow. He could have liked a variety of statuses I've put up, any other photo, a certain "activity" or some such, but he chose to "like" my profile pic, again depicting an older woman. It was always kind of a joke - I would call myself an old woman, because well I am very much like one, but it wasn't a joke with just him, sort of just a general joke, so why, then, would he "like" this painting. Is he just attracted to the painting, and even if that is the case, why would he "like" it, him knowing that I have had feelings for him of a sexual nature? To see that notification was a real whip. I just didn't get it - still don't. What the fuck does it mean?

And, being it is the case that I likely will move right around to where he lives currently, for reasons not just about him (and that is 100 % true), should I pursue him in a more authentic, less planned/sneaky/elaborate way? Should I just contact him when I am living near him, and casually suggest a dinner or a drink or something, perhaps inviting his girlfriend along (should he have one at the time), or maybe his other guy friends along? The longing to be truly with him will always be there, but I think if I am just close with him (even in platonic friendship), I would be truly happy. I will re-iterate, the feelings for him are not very literally sexual at all, rather romantic and loving and, yes, enthralled. If I were to do this platonic relationship shit, would I need a pretext because were never that good of friends and there some awkwardness? Could I offer a "bribe" of sorts (e.g. paying for dinner at a nice restaurant, buying tickets for a show or game, giving a phony reason such as interest in getting to know the area better from someone who is not a stranger etc.), and with that bribe start a friendship off? Again, in this way, I could invite his other friends. It could then progress however it might, but is this smarter than being more overt and just telling him I love him and want him etc.? This sounds like a decent idea to me, actually, especially if I were to have a boyfriend at the time, thus taking any homophobic sentiments on his part away from him. I need some ideas on this, if you could BL? Thank you, in advance!

I think you are mistaking him trying to be nice and not alienating you as a friend for homosexual interest. This is how I'm seeing it: You guys were friends. He's straight an your'e gay. You show feelings for him. He backs off, because he's not gay, but he doesn't want to be a jerk to you and still wants to stay friends at a distance. Unfortunately, as with some girls, if the guy even shows the slightest bit of attention to the other person, it gets misconstrued. Really, at this point if you are looking for something more with his little FB likes and whatnot, he needs to cut you off entirely, but I'm guessing you are trying to play it cool.

I think you need to go out and meet people, because the obsession with this guy is unhealthy.
 
This is obsession, pure and simple. There is something missing in your life and you are using thoughts of this guy to fill it and the only way you can keep it full is by keeping thoughts of him in your head.

It is all imaginary
 
In all honesty, I think Middleway may be onto something Alex000.

I had a read over all of your posts, and there really are some ideas floating around that seem unhealthy.

This depth of love that you think you have for this guy just seem a little unbalanced, considering you don't even know him very well, and you haven't had any contact with him in a long time. Your thought process also seems a little off at times i.e. I really think you're overanalysing the fact that he liked your FB profile pic. Are you on amphetamines by any chance? I don't mean to be rude or insulting in any way, just a genuine question.

I think you should consider speaking to someone about how you're feeling. Planning to move across the country, masquerade as a woman, and to seduce a straight man you hardly know who is currently in a relationship? This is not healthy. You also indicated that you haven't been out much etc. It might be time to have a look at how you're feeling and thinking and make some positive changes. I think you'd be a lot happier. Have a good think about things at the very least, and get an opinion on it all from someone you trust.

Good luck :)
 
Having read your new post - you sound obsessive. Push him out of your mind.

He may be a mama's boy, and you jsut think he's gay. I'm sure he loves praise from wherever he can get it - maybe he's not so into himself for other reasons.

Either way you are massively overthinking things, turning them into a fantasy blown way out of proportions...overthinking - obviously due to the FB profile pic update scenario :( yikes...dude, that means NOTHING - he liked the painting, pure & simple - obviously thought you'd painted it.

I think you know that it's a very bad idea to move near him - when he found out you had feelings for him, and he distanced himself, it wasn't because he didn't know how to deal with his feelings of a homosexual nature, it was purely to show you he wasn't interested in you like that - I'm guessing at some vital point in your childhood you were starved of the right kind of attention, and obviously it is still affecting your life...He remained friendly due to the fact he respected you as a person, any passing smiles were just that - friendly smiles...not secret gay grins or whatever - he wasn't cruising you.

Also, listen to yourself - a friendship built on bribes?!?! RE-READ THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF YOUR PSYCHE. It is damaged - repair it.

If you would like some advice on how, I welcome you to email me whenever you want - I have plenty of methods.
 
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I'm yet to read anything that indicates your friend has ANY interest in you. He's being friendly.
 
its all in your head- you need to get a life, you'll get over him quicker if contact is cut off. move on!

creepy obsessed weirdo is not an attractive look and i've been there and will never go back. thank fuck thats over (which is how you will look back on this obsession once something serious comes out and contact is broken).
 
And somewhere there is a straight girl thinking the same about you - she wants you to be straight, she has already made up this entire life where she moves to live close to you with and your instantly going to change your sexuality, fall in love with her, get her pregnant and have children etc. Let's face it you just waiting for somebody to tell you how you feel, that you have been living a lie and that you really love them!.
 
For the OP, I think it's best to move on and find different people. Your friend hasn't accepted your advances or made advances towards you, so I think it's clear it's only at a platonic level (your relationship). As others have said coercing him into liking you/having a sexual relationship with you/thinking you're a woman will only remove the trust. No trust, no relationship. It sounds very unhealthy and slightly sadistic.

As for the other situation, I'm with Lysis. As a straight male with gays friends, I've done things like hug them, tell them I love them, wrestled with them, but between friends that really isn't sexual. It's when you get into the area of chest massages where your hands lower to his pelvic bone without him doing anything and that you guys nearly spooned together where I begin to think he's curious or gay to some extent. I've been nude around guys, but it's been in unsexual contexts where it would be O.K to be nude (changing, skinny dipping etc). If you're at his house, or he's at your house and he's just randomly walking around nude to almost flaunt himself, it seems sexual to me. I do agree that Lysis may have went a bit far with her generalization, but I agree with her, dudes gay.
 
To Mel22, I will first answer your question, and the answer is yes I am chronically dosing amphetamines, but at doses of 15 - 20 mg Adderall XR in a 24-hour period. Now, to go on to your response and the other responses. I will admit the feelings I have about him do seem to be a bit neurotic, and yes some of my fantasies and wishes are rather aberrant. I do not want to come off sounding like arrogant, though it is a bit unavoidable, when I say I know a good deal more than the average person in the areas of psychology and psychiatry - quite a good deal more, indeed. I have known more about certain topics in psychiatry than psychiatrists whom I have seen. Does that sound grandiose in itself? It might. I do consider myself very smart, on the whole, and I do know a lot in certain areas and fields of study as I learn fairly well and rapidly on what interests me. I am going on, rambling, I know. But, there is a point to this rambling. I KNOW certain things about my situation, but I FEEL differently in some regards. I often romanticize, on the whole, in my life. It is my nature, I suppose. Sometimes, I feel that true love should be pursued on almost any account, but sometimes I don't really believe in a "true love" which can only be had with this guy - I do think there are others out there whom I could love, and who could satisfy my needs. But, there is something about this guy - an intrigue of the oddest form. That I feel, though I do know it seems or perhaps even is obsessive.

If I read my story as it is but from another, and I had no feelings for this guy, I would suspect a high level of neuroses, histrionic personality disorder traits, addictive personality qualities, magical thinking (possibly), and a tendency to live in fantasy and daydreams, as well as possible ego-inflation and grandiose obsessions. But, I am not reading it from another - it is my story. I will say I do recognize some of what is labeled "unhealthy" by the majority of the population, and certainly by the field of medicine, especially in psychiatry. I do see that in myself - yes. Whether or not they are unhealthy, though, truly unhealthy, I doubt. They do not inhibit proper functioning, and I stated before in my posts I would be open to a relationship with someone else if someone else came along who struck my fancy. My social life, near non-existent, is now in hopes of being nurtured a huge deal due to my current circumstances - I am very close to actually having a social life (closer than I ever have been). So, there will be people to meet, and there will be chances for me to exercise a non-platonic relationship with another. I, even, long to do that. In fact, there is another guy who is currently striking my fancy, and who is in great proximity to where I live, unlike the one over whom I obsess. But, this new other guy - actually provoking feelings of lust (not common for me with others, usually), I have had only very limited contact with - we barely know each other. Which leads me into another area in the next paragraph.

I, while able to do well socially in most facets, do not really know how about getting a guy's interest - pursuing a guy, even knowing if a guy has feelings for me or is gay at all. I just don't know how I could avoid awkwardness, though my social anxiety has improved HEAPS in the past few years, yet still be the one pursuing actively or at least making an attempt. This guy, for example, this new one, almost seemed flirtatious in a way, but I could be VERY off. I just do not know. We are not even friends, so much as acquaintences now. How am I to do this? And, would this not be a good thing - to distract myself from the guy so far away? I AM willing to, and actually wanting to, get into a relationship with a guy - now more so than ever. It does not have to be my obsession, no - I cannot even deal with that now, really, because it would not be feasible for me to move at this point. So, I guess I am pandering for tips and advice on "getting out there" as you guys suggested - a good suggestion. I am not well versed in the art of all of it. I know so much - feel so much, but subjectively am often left to be in confusion, yet I can analyze other situations objectively very well, at times.

I am going to back to where I began, for I feel the amphetamines are really influencing my life (for a ton of good, and for a bit of bad). Like now, I am not freshly amped up, but still know the amps are working, or else I would not be writing this lengthy response, and in such a fucked up order with rambling all over. I have taken to writing fiction very well - better than I ever thought I could, and that makes me happy with respect to the writing, but there is jumbling when it comes to writing essays and the like. I want to say so much, and it just sort of spews all over, I suppose, yet I do want order. See, this is off-topic, to a good extent, and I am rambling on about it. But, the amphetamines have strengthened my ability to feel and think - my perception, and have allowed me to be confident, actually do shit, overcome chronic fatigue, boosted my mood (not as up as initially, but still giving it a good boost), allowed me to stop eating as much and lose weight (a huge plus for me, even though I was not really overweight, though close to borderline, and I like myself better thinner), given me willpower (have stuck to a vegan diet for months now, despite cravings every now and again), and allowed me to know amphetamines personally. They can be wonderful creatures when used properly, or hideous monsters when used improperly, or, of course somewhere in between. They may exaggerate my feelings - of obsession about the guy and such, for that does make good sense. Cannot deny that. And, they may inflate my ego, but I think that is a good thing, to an extent of course. Anyhow, I just wanted to share this with you, and because Mel22 asked. I am also taking tramadol and benzos daily - addicted probably, definitely dependent. But, I still function very well. I am progressing. I don't know..., but what I really would appreciate is, and YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE & CARING already, some tips on getting guys as someone who is a homosexual male, or rather forming relationships - getting guys sounds a bit unsavory for my taste.

I know I am all over the place, but I do thank you truly for your reading and responding,

Alex.
 
Alex, as a fellow man who is into men, I can tell you that this isn't going to work out. I know that the fantasy can lead you to do certain things, but put a stop to it. It's not respectful to this guy to pursue him if he's straight and in a relationship. You'll just come across as creepy. I have seen this happen before with other guys, especially when the guy they're into is one of their first romantic interests. It always ends badly, I'm telling you now.

You can't force a relationship to happen where it's not going to, even if he were gay. One day you'll meet the right guy and you'll just click immediately. You won't have to force anything, it will just flow. Until then you need to work on getting past this. I recommend trying to date. As soon as you date someone you're interested in, you're going to forget about this fantasy and move on with your life.
 
Dude I don't care how much you know about psychology nor does it really matter as it doesn't necessarily help you with understanding yourself when you are in a clearly altered state by not only drugs, but infatuation/love/whatever you want to call it with the individual, with the desire for social life/being normal, etc. There is a reason why doctors and therapists/psychologists/psychiatrists do not try and diagnosis themselves. It's because you really can't. You are going to skew whatever you see, whatever you think, about yourself and situation. About them and their situation. Don't even bother trying.

Analyze this situation however you want, but realize what you are doing is beyond unhealthy and will likely result in losing your friend, which is not good for someone trying to build relationships/a social life(even a LD friend, can be healthy if contact is appropriate). You realize you don't seem to be very socially smart if you can't maintain relationships, can't form healthy ones, are using drugs to substitute for overcoming walls in your life, romanticize in a unhealthy manner a relationship, and are so stuck on forming a romantic relationship. Open yourself up to being wrong in other ways then acknowledging the unhealthy patterns then reversing them by trying to justify how it isn't quite true. Accept being wrong, and where your short comings are. Don't make excuses for them or you'll never overcome them.

BTW, amphetamines do not make you smarter. They can actually increase the number of mistakes you make in a period of time compared to when you are not on amphetamines. People want to believe, and they feel that they are so much more than they really are on amphetamines, when it is just a delusion. Its not just in how intelligent individuals feel they are while on amphetamines, its in other ways that they see themselves which may also not be quite the truth. It happens to me all the time on amphetamines, and to plenty of people on BL. You probably should stop taking amps so often, take a step back, and look at yourself while not under the influence. If you really expect to gain a healthy social life you need to not be so dependent on a stimulant drug like amphetamine, you probably shouldn't be trying to involve yourself in a emotion/sexual relationship, and focus on forming healthy friendships with peers. With a poor social life, probably means a emotional IQ that isn't equivalent to your age (one that is much younger than your actual age most likely), so you need to start increasing it, or your likely to keep falling into phases of deep infatuation, isolation, and co-dependencey , none of which are healthy. You should learn to over come these with out the use of drugs like amphetamine
 
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HARD TRUTHS - Hold tight, you will hate this to START with...

On benzos, dextro(?) and tramadol? You are a pharmaceutical companies wet dream - a cash cow, until you drop an emotional wreck. Which isn't going to happen, you've found good people here on the forum who will help you.

Get off the amphetamines - they are not doing you any real favours - they are in fact retarding your natural emotional and social development.

You are not functioning well. At all by any real standards. You are a drug addict, who cannot read people, cannot cope with the day to day, and throws up justifications left, right and centre for your behaviour instead of just admitting you don't know your ass from your elbow in this big world, but hey dude YOU'RE TALKING TO US! Help us to help you, please stop kidding yourself. We cannot help you to help yourself if you do not make the first moves, get out of denial, and come into the light.

Don't worry - a lot of us have been there, which is why we are here to help.

Want something that will help with the chronic fatigue? warm foods, sweetness, bitter foods, and pungent foods. skipping breakfast every other day, and having something light like a big fruit smoothie with added ginger and invigorating herbs (research).

Learn to relax.

Learn to be comfortable with being in your skin - spend great amounts of time alone working on things you enjoy, and enough periods(find your naatural balance - it takes a little while) of time with good people.

I suggest small talk practice with everyone you meet, start small and then work your way up - flirt with guys you're not into, flirt with just about everyone - it will give you a huge confidence boost just to be practicing the gift of the gab on people.

Look into NLP...in a big way.


As for liking men? Well, as a bisexual dude I know when women are into me (now I have researched it) when I calm my nerves and just open my eyes, and with men it's easy - I see the same hunters eyes that I have and just see them. lol.

Grab a book on body language, and watch ppeoople - just observe social situations between people, with a notepad, and refer back to your book - you'll soon feel like practicing, and with a year or 2 of hit or miss you will see how social encounters work on an instinctive level, and you will see people's body language point towards you the more confidenct you become in yourself.

Honestly though, work on yourself and then bit by bit up the ante with social interactions - try and get as much as possible without being dependent on people, which will naturally happen to begin with - it's just where you are at in your development, no worries, it is temporary.

Do not even think about romantic relationships - sex, maybe, but even then you will lose your creative spark through losing that particular energy, so if you masturbate, stop, and just work on yourself - body and mind.

Exercise, make sure it is lowimpact even if you feel energy surges - otherwise your reserves will dissipate very quickly. Yoga, swimming, power walking, dancing - I'm sure you can find lowimpact exercise.

Taper off all the drugs...having made a time limit plan, and do not consult your doctors at all regarding your choices - you are paying for their golfing holidays, they don't care about you.

Find a naturopath doctor, or an ayurvedic practitioner.

Rethink your diet completely if you have chronic fatigue - look into food combining, google "prokerala prakriti test" - do the questionnaire.

Be around people - family, old friends - true friends...go to church(I know you're gay, so it may seem like a bad idea, but either find a budddhist centre, an open minded christian community church, hare krishnas etc) - anyone who is interested in nothing but lifting up your spirits, with no ulterior motive other than seeing you become a spiritually higher version of your current sorry self.

As I said - feel free to email me anytime you like - I have bluelight on my phone now, so can promptly hook you up with a reply.

If not there are plenty of people who will talk to you - I just offer simple no bullshit insight, and advice from a massive experience, despite my youth.

GOod luck Alex, peace
 
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