IN, Indianapolis - Every Tuesday - Konkrete Jungle

October 7th

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Rogue Robot said:
what?
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there was a night a month or so ago with a tag set of techno mess. I missed it thankfully

It's Konkrete Jungle folks... 360 degress of broken beat... no four on fucking four

:!
 
Rogue Robot said:
Sorry Chris, but with an attitude like that, you wonder why people don't come out and support the Tuesday nights. That's quite a rude thing to say considering I'm one of those people who play four on the floor more often than I play broken beat.

Gary WAS trying to bring more genres into the Tuesday night. And as I recall, I played one of those nights. Aside from the technical difficulties that I had, with the assistance of Gary and Jeff, the rest of my set went very smoothy, and people enjoyed it. I also enjoyed myself. But if that's the kind of night and crowd that you only want at the Melody Inn, so be it. I, on the other hand, will enjoy whatever is actually left of the EDM scene here, minus the elitism.

I really wouldn't hurt to broaden the horizons of Tuesday night to bring in other talent that play that apparent four on the floor that you apparently no longer care for. Indianapolis is too small to have a clique of elitists fucks who think that broken beat is the only music to exist, regardless of the name of the night.

Truthfully, I'm a little hurt by your statement, and I thought you of all people would be more welcoming to a multi-genre night.
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Such is the plight of the Indy EDM scene...There are only a few nights a week that cater to an EDM crowd and KJI happens to be one of the only ones going on (I know Therapy and Talbott do their share as well as others.

I don't think Chris has anything against that kind of music and on any other night, it would be specifically welcome, but the whole idea of Konkrete Jungle is broken beat & dub stylings such as drum and bass, breaks and dubstep.

It's frustrating when any of these nights are particular about what genres they play because the scene is so sparse that DJs are having trouble even finding gigs. Oversaturation of talent without an audience. Even therapy has a hard time filling the main room and I haven't seen more than 30-40 people at a single KJI event in the last few months (aside from summer sessions, which I wasn't at).

It's sad, but until it becomes lucrative for clubs/bars in Indy to have more diverse shows more often, it's always going to feel like this.

All over the US, Konkrete Jungle has been broken beat based so it's uncommon to hear techno/house/trance at a KJ show. The whole basis of the night is based around specific genres.

I'm obviously more into dnb as that's what I like spinning, but I picked up the DJ bug in Chicago. I definitely have love for other genres like house and techno (sorry trance) and wish that more promoters would push events like these weeklies such as Gizzmo's therapy shows every other weekend.

I know Chris likes some House/techno and he isn't by means trying to exclude you at all, he's just following the idea that Konkrete Jungle set in place.
 
Rogue Robot said:
And, you know, there was a time when on Tuesday nights a certain someone pissed off enough fucking people that wouldn't return to the Melody Inn for quite sometime until the night was handed down. Is there a need to happen again? Seriously.

I'm glad that the dnb people have their own night with plenty of people coming out, but really, it wouldn't kill to have a little bit of change once in a while.

It's still a bad idea to keep things segregated. Indianapolis is too small. It's not going to change until people get their heads out of their asses. End of story.
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I don't think the problem lies in the artists, it's the audience that is the problem. people come to a certain night to hear certain artists/genres/music. That's why event fliers always should include the genre that each artist is planning on playing. By opening the gates to other genres, you start alienating the people who come to KJI for the sole intent of wanting to hear some drum and bass. Since there's only one room for music, you're either listening to the music or you're outside. It's lose-lose either way. :\

That said, I would love to check out a real weekly house/techno night, similar to Kickin it Deep (R.I.P. :( ) or Switched (also R.I.P.). They had a good thing going and I was hitting up Gelo regularly to get my four on the floor fix.
 
I think it's hilarious that we did a night called Broke(n) and had no problems booking 4/4 djs. I guess I feel like if this was NYC, LA, Chicago and was actually reppin the KJ name properly, Chris' stance could be a little more understood. In Indy you need to provide variety, period. I have no beefs with anyone involved but if I moved here from LA or NYC, I'd piss myself laughing at what we are calling KJ. In the bigger markets you have locals that are national headliners. In Indy the locals are just that, locals(with the exception of SUM) We're a bunch of no-names from Indy. You couple of guys can get your tunes signed for some no-name labels digital releases all day, until you're pushing the numbers Violence, Ram, Metalheadz, Hospital, etc or signing to those labels, we're still gonna be nobody to the world. People in this city need to put their fuckin egos in check. I watched 98 percent of you kids come up in the scene I helped create, I watched 5 percent destroy it. I'm sick of it. GROW UP!

/rant
 
hahahahaha... whoa now folks.

I'm pretty sure I've been out (until the past few months) supporting edm of every genre. I have no problem with variety... look at every one of my house parties (which I would say were still some of the dopest events going on at the time).

All I was saying was that it's Konkrete Jungle... as well or not well as it's being repped here... there is a theme that was instilled by the people who started it. For a long time Therapy wouldn't have anything to do with d'n'b or dubstep... and they still rarely do. And Talbott? Has there ever been a d'n'b or dubstep night there? You want to hear the same beat from 10-3... there ya go... swing by one of these two fine establishments... you want a variety of broken beats? go to Konkrete Jungle

And just 'cause Tuesdays nights was killed by somebody else... doesn't mean it has to be repeated

I wasn't saying that d'n'b is the god of edm (although in my opinion it is). I was simply stating that there is a place for non-broken beat... and it's not at Konkrete Jungle... sorry. Piss your pants if you like.

Maybe if you 4x4 heads recognized that not all of us d'n'b cats play a bunch of noisy obnoxious tear-out and 'skull-step' you would actually stop out on nights you're not playing and hear some truly good vibes.

And as far as nobody here doing anything? Could very well be because everybody in this city is entirely too elitist (hey I can use that word too) to show love for anything anybody is doing (now obviously... those who show love aren't included in this category)...

and god forbid people should dance in this mother fucker!

I think a few people know what I'm saying.

and those that don't... I don't know... hate away. It's your job. If you need somebody to hate on....

feel free to hate on me. Say my hair ain't luxurious... when you know that it is bitch!
-Katt Williams

:p
 
gizzmo said:
You couple of guys can get your tunes signed for some no-name labels digital releases all day

/rant
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hey... I resemble that fucking remark mate! I've only been producing for a year... and I'm freshly signed...

so if that's getting nothing done... then fuck a bunch of bullshit.

And RAM? really? garbage mate... exception of a few tunes once in a while... garbage

:|
 
Sea Monkey said:
Hey Chris, remember that time you played House at KJ?
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hahahaha...

yeah... I played one whole house tune from 1997 'ORE' You're gonna love me (stonebridge poppers remix)

I think it was a whole fucking four minutes of four on four... holy tits on a goddamn stick

It wasn't a whole set... so :p
 
Hollow Point said:
Since there's only one room for music, you're either listening to the music or you're outside. .
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I think it would be quite excellent if there were enough heads showing up and showing love that we could get something going in the back room on a regular basis... maybe get some down-tempo vibes and four on four back there... make it all lounge styles and whatnot.

But that would require all you non-elitist music lovers actually coming out on a regular basis. And if the problem is that it's a week night... I'm pretty sure things could get started earlier if Rob and the crew knew that it would be worth the time and Gary and crew knew it would be worth the trouble.

But I guess we need true music lovers out here like the have in the 'bigger markets'



Just a thought


But what do I know?

8)
 
well, i'll use the excuse that you've used before chris: some of us have obligations that we need to tend to the next morning, and sorry, but my education is far more important to me than supporting a weekly have i've been supporting for the past 6 years. so, if you people can't get that through your heads that it's a tuesday night even, that's not our problem. i make it out there when i can, but getting up at 7 am has never been my cup of tea, but i have no choice.

so

school > tuesdays at the mel

get over it.

did you also forget that most of us are pretty fucking broke, too?
 
tha-Doc said:
hahahaha...

yeah... I played one whole house tune from 1997 'ORE' You're gonna love me (stonebridge poppers remix)

I think it was a whole fucking four minutes of four on four... holy tits on a goddamn stick

It wasn't a whole set... so :p
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I've played entire sets of house music on a few Tuesday nights with no complaints. ;) When I first started going to the Mel, it was practically nothing but jungle every week. Later on, it was almost nothing but dark drum and bass every week. I welcome diversity. Also, if a promoter books me for a locals-only weeknight for free, I'll play whatever the hell I want, thank-you-very-much!
 
Rogue Robot said:
well, i'll use the excuse that you've used before chris: some of us have obligations that we need to tend to the next morning, and sorry, but my education is far more important to me than supporting a weekly have i've been supporting for the past 6 years. so, if you people can't get that through your heads that it's a tuesday night even, that's not our problem. i make it out there when i can, but getting up at 7 am has never been my cup of tea, but i have no choice.

so

school > tuesdays at the mel

get over it.

did you also forget that most of us are pretty fucking broke, too?
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naturally... wow... let's get defensive eh?

and trust me... I've been complaining about it being on tuesday night for a long ass time. Makes no sense really... the scene isn't big enough for a week night. I've always said that it should go down on the weekend... but I guess I don't run a weekly so I should shut the fuck up eh?

Of course school is more important... just like me working third shift and paying my bills is more important.

Don't know what the attitude was all about

8o
 
Sea Monkey said:
I welcome diversity.
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fuck diversity... obviously I can't stand diversity.

that's why I listen to techno and only techno... I only wanna hear one beat... one groove... 'til the day I day


Ohhhhh.... that's right I probably listen to more genres of music than the majority of people on this forum.

I love how me saying that night that is SUPPOSED to be broken beat (which doesn't just mean d'n'b) shouldn't be booking full sets of techno prog stuff is somehow construed as me saying that only d'n'b should be played.

You want variety? Try playing some variety... not a whole set of four on four... that was my only point.

And references to when Geek was killing the scene on tuesday nights for two years with an unaffiliated weekly are more or less moot

jeeeez you people and your internets




It's all love... goddammit

=D
 
tha-Doc said:
I love how me saying that night that is SUPPOSED to be broken beat (which doesn't just mean d'n'b) shouldn't be booking full sets of techno prog stuff is somehow construed as me saying that only d'n'b should be played.
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Who said that? If you don't like what you hear on Tuesdays, take it to Gary. If you want to have final say in what does and doesn't get played, make a proposal to Rob.
 
tha-Doc said:
And references to when Geek was killing the scene on tuesday nights for two years with an unaffiliated weekly are more or less moot
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huh? is this another reference to how my penis ruined dnb in this city?

i killed the scene?
 
tha-Doc said:
naturally... wow... let's get defensive eh?

and trust me... I've been complaining about it being on tuesday night for a long ass time. Makes no sense really... the scene isn't big enough for a week night. I've always said that it should go down on the weekend... but I guess I don't run a weekly so I should shut the fuck up eh?

Of course school is more important... just like me working third shift and paying my bills is more important.

Don't know what the attitude was all about

8o
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well, chris, i love you, but i'll be honest. many of the comments you've made regarding tuesday nights reek of jahba's b.s. from a few years back. that's the attitude i'm talking about.
 
and just to chime in about gizz saying we had 4/4 @ Broke(n) ... i tried to limit that as much as possible.

when i took over tuesdays, there were a number of 4/4 nights around town, so i quite vocally didnt allow any house, techno, prog, or trance. the night was supposed to be aimed at dnb, jungle, breaks, grime, 2step, dubstep, and breakcore. a few ppl like linny mcskinny, james b, and shiva would toss some more 4/4ish stuff into sets and sometimes did entire 4/4 sets, but it wasnt encouraged.

monkey just did whatever he wanted to bc he was that badass.

as for KJ, i think its a good idea to do stuff out of the ordinary, but i really dont want to see 4/4 on every lineup.
 
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