BourbonMac
Bluelighter
Because of some bad days of sleeping I'd been taking gabapentin due to the fact that my doctor had cold turkey cut off my valium supply. I was having hellish horrible withdrawals after 7-8 days or so, finally another doctor was able to fill it.
I'm prescribed 900mg gabapentin, and aside from one weekend I was dumb enough to stagger up to 3g recreationally, I only have 600mg left. Last 2 nights I've survived on that and kava, but this afternoon the withdrawals are coming on, and it's not that far off from kratom withdrawal, feels very similar and I took 7g of kratom.
My idea was to take 600mg Phenibut at midnight, then my 300mg Gabapentin like, 2-3h before bed. Should this work? I'd hate to have to do this 2 nights in a row and I don't really like Phenibut. I realize Phenibut is technically a lot weaker but it has full binding to GABA-B and apparently GABA-A if dosed high enough. On the 21st I can get it re-filled, though my doctor may not. That's 24 or 25 days out of 30 so he'd know I took extra, but it's his damn fault for ignoring me for over a week. I had to take that extra gabapentin or else I probably would've started having seizures. The full body tremors were getting bad.
But yeah I'm sitting here having awful withdrawals. Not that awful but just, very uncomfortable. Derealization/depersonalization similar to kratom withdrawal, slightly reminds me of benzo withdrawal but more kratom. I thought the kratom would help, nah... so I just need to hold on. If my doctor denies the refill request that's when I'm in trouble, because I'd have to take a higher dose of Pheni that night and I hate this shit. I don't want to develop withdrawals from that especially. But Jesus I feel awful. Like I might as well take the 300mg now and the Phenibut later but I just don't think that would enough to not have gabapentin withdrawal.
If you're wondering why phenibut is actually weaker, there are reddit threads on it. Even people who claim 800mg of gabapentin will fuck them up more than a gram of phenibut. They must have weird ass body chemistry then because by around a gram of phenibut I feel like I'm on Xanax and MDMA. High dose Gabapentin is more like just MDMA for me.
Here's one source -- claims α2δ activity is 620x weaker than gabapentin. Apparently it just doesn't bind to the gaba receptors as well as Gabapentin does but... how? It's a full GABA-B agonist and has only A agonism at high doses so probably weakly binds to A as well. Also a weaker VGCC inhibitor. Very shocked I'm having withdrawal this early, I figured the high doses of kava would effectively replace the 300mg I'm not taking and it seemed to.
I just don't really get it. How can a drug that is way stronger be weaker at the same time? I call BS on the guy who said taking a single 600mg tablet of Gabapentin got higher than a gram of phenibut because if you take 600mg Gabapentin all at once, you're absorbing like 30% of the dose. I could get behind 900mg Gabapentin staggered with no tolerance being stronger than a gram of phenibut but 600mg? That's some odd body chemistry.
I'm prescribed 900mg gabapentin, and aside from one weekend I was dumb enough to stagger up to 3g recreationally, I only have 600mg left. Last 2 nights I've survived on that and kava, but this afternoon the withdrawals are coming on, and it's not that far off from kratom withdrawal, feels very similar and I took 7g of kratom.
My idea was to take 600mg Phenibut at midnight, then my 300mg Gabapentin like, 2-3h before bed. Should this work? I'd hate to have to do this 2 nights in a row and I don't really like Phenibut. I realize Phenibut is technically a lot weaker but it has full binding to GABA-B and apparently GABA-A if dosed high enough. On the 21st I can get it re-filled, though my doctor may not. That's 24 or 25 days out of 30 so he'd know I took extra, but it's his damn fault for ignoring me for over a week. I had to take that extra gabapentin or else I probably would've started having seizures. The full body tremors were getting bad.
But yeah I'm sitting here having awful withdrawals. Not that awful but just, very uncomfortable. Derealization/depersonalization similar to kratom withdrawal, slightly reminds me of benzo withdrawal but more kratom. I thought the kratom would help, nah... so I just need to hold on. If my doctor denies the refill request that's when I'm in trouble, because I'd have to take a higher dose of Pheni that night and I hate this shit. I don't want to develop withdrawals from that especially. But Jesus I feel awful. Like I might as well take the 300mg now and the Phenibut later but I just don't think that would enough to not have gabapentin withdrawal.
If you're wondering why phenibut is actually weaker, there are reddit threads on it. Even people who claim 800mg of gabapentin will fuck them up more than a gram of phenibut. They must have weird ass body chemistry then because by around a gram of phenibut I feel like I'm on Xanax and MDMA. High dose Gabapentin is more like just MDMA for me.
Here's one source -- claims α2δ activity is 620x weaker than gabapentin. Apparently it just doesn't bind to the gaba receptors as well as Gabapentin does but... how? It's a full GABA-B agonist and has only A agonism at high doses so probably weakly binds to A as well. Also a weaker VGCC inhibitor. Very shocked I'm having withdrawal this early, I figured the high doses of kava would effectively replace the 300mg I'm not taking and it seemed to.
I just don't really get it. How can a drug that is way stronger be weaker at the same time? I call BS on the guy who said taking a single 600mg tablet of Gabapentin got higher than a gram of phenibut because if you take 600mg Gabapentin all at once, you're absorbing like 30% of the dose. I could get behind 900mg Gabapentin staggered with no tolerance being stronger than a gram of phenibut but 600mg? That's some odd body chemistry.
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