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Bupe Important Question about Bupe Withdrawal

Was thinking a 6 day taper at 8, 4, 2, 1, .5, .25 I have used H on and off over the last few years like a few times a month etc, I did become dependent last summer using every day for about 1-2 months and got clean. So this is my second full blown time, used like 2-3 packs for a month then like 4 a day for a month, yes I did fail and relapse but I started at 4mg this time and went 4, 4, 2 then jumped which wasn't good enough and quite painful, 4mg didn't quite stabilize me so I am starting at 8 this time. And yes I did the math and the previous bupe will be out my system at 10pm tonight, so I will follow your advice and go 6 days, don't wanna become dependent, or do you think I should go 5?
 
matthew14 said:
, so I will follow your advice and go 6 days, don't wanna become dependent
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You're not understanding us... you are already dependent.. switching to the bupe will not change that.. you're just switching the H for the bupe, but you are still opiate dependent. So taking bupe for an extra day or two is not going to make a difference. You are going to experience withdrawals whether you take the bupe for 3 days, 5 days, 7 days, 100 days, it does not matter. As long as you taper and come off at a low dose though, those inevitable withdrawals will be minimal.
 
^True, but at some point, you switch from being dependent on the original opiate you were taking to being dependent on the buprenorphine, which takes a lot longer to detox from, and this is why it's a good idea to use as little bupe and detox as quickly as possible, IMO.
 
BlueHues said:
^True, but at some point, you switch from being dependent on the original opiate you were taking to being dependent on the buprenorphine, which takes a lot longer to detox from, and this is why it's a good idea to use as little bupe and detox as quickly as possible, IMO.
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That's what I got. He wanted bupe as a quick taper, and not to become directly dependent on it (2week acute withdrawal+ and all that comes with bupe dependency) which won't happen if he keeps his use short. He will of course be addicted to opioids and dependent on opioids the entire time, just in a very nuanced way with a quick taper with bupe.
 
Yeah if you keep the bupe taper short, you can avoid the lengthy PAWS that comes with being on bupe for a long time.

I wish I would have done a short taper like this years ago instead of maintenance. They work really well if you do them right and are ready to get clean.
 
lolwhatzdrugs said:
That's what I got. He wanted bupe as a quick taper, and not to become directly dependent on it (2week acute withdrawal+ and all that comes with bupe dependency) which won't happen if he keeps his use short. He will of course be addicted to opioids and dependent on opioids the entire time, just in a very nuanced way with a quick taper with bupe.
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My senitments exactly...
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
Yeah if you keep the bupe taper short, you can avoid the lengthy PAWS that comes with being on bupe for a long time.

I wish I would have done a short taper like this years ago instead of maintenance. They work really well if you do them right and are ready to get clean.
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And thanks man, that's exactly what I'm going to do my plan is 6 day's at 8mg, 4mg, 2mg, 1mg, .5mg, .25mg --- jump, so I can avoid the lengthy paws. And I am definitely ready to get clean, I ain't doing this for family, employer, probation or no one else except for myself... period...
 
Aside from PAWS, the regular withdrawal time from suboxone is 2+ weeks....for most people it takes around 3 weeks to a month. The withdrawal symptoms are mild compared to full agonist opiates, but they drag on for a long time....This is why it's in your best interest to do a fast taper...because by doing a fast taper, you're not giving your body time to get full dependent on the buprenorphine...

PAWs refers to lingering physical and mental symptoms that can drag on for months afterward...but I personally believe it's an overused term in the substance abuse field...

8mgs is more than most people need, and the less bupe you take overall, the better chance you have of a short, relatively painless detox.
 
Aside from PAWS, the regular withdrawal time from suboxone is 2+ weeks....for most people it takes around 3 weeks to a month. The withdrawal symptoms are mild compared to full agonist opiates, but they drag on for a long time....This is why it's in your best interest to do a fast taper...because by doing a fast taper, you're not giving your body time to get full dependent on the buprenorphine...

PAWs refers to lingering physical and mental symptoms that can drag on for months afterward...but I personally believe it's an overused term in the substance abuse field...

8mgs is more than most people need, and the less bupe you take overall, the better chance you have of a short, relatively painless detox.
 
BlueHues said:
8mgs is more than most people need, and the less bupe you take overall, the better chance you have of a short, relatively painless detox.
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BlueHues said:
Well when I recently just tried, I waited 25 hours and took 4 mg, and it didn't fully stableize me, thus why I wanna start at 8mg this time.. But I did only waited 25 hours last time and I'm going to wait 32 this time, so mabey I should start at 4 and if that don't work within an hour take another 4, then taper down from there, does that sound smarter? Because if 4mg works this time I can taper down from there thus being less bupe in my system in the end...
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^For me, and for a lot of people, the transition is shaky, and I still have uncomfortable withdrawal symptoms for the first few days no matter how much suboxone I start with...It's more a matter of time for the suboxone to start to stabilize me than dose...Even if I was to dose 16mgs a day, it still takes me around 3 days to feel at full strength...It's the weakness and fatigue that makes the simplest tasks feel like an agonizing chore that's my least favorite aspect of opiate withdrawal!
 
Starting at 8mg' is fine, just makes sure you don't take it all at once. With bupe, for it to work the best, and to avoid PW's, you need to build it up in your system slowly. Take the 8mg's over the course of the day, taking it 1-2mg intervals every 2-3 hours or so.
 
I've been on 12 mgs for almost 10 years now and want to start reducing- I take it in 2 doses and would it be easier for me to come off if I do one single dose? In the past I only had trouble when I got down to around 8mg, it didn't hold me well, though I took it in 2 doses.

Oh yeah, Mr S do you think a rapid taper would be good for the long term user? My key workers talking about a very gradual reduction, but I'm not sure.
 
^For you, a gradual taper would definitely be the way to go...There's really no benefit to coming off super-fast once you've already been on it for so long...

Suboxone dosage has been a heated debate on Bluelight ever since the original discussion began...I first went on Suboxone in 2005, and have known more people who have been on it then I can even remember, and 8 mgs is the absolute maximum I think anyone should ever need...If that amount doesn't hold you, you should go on methadone...

The key with tapering, if you've been on suboxone for years, is getting as low as possible before jumping off, and giving yourself time to adjust to each drop...A fast taper to get off heroin is a completely different story, with a completely different strategy...
 
Ok well I took 2mg of sub at 12, 2 more at 1 and now it's 1:30, still ain't feeling to much better, but a little, so I just took the remaining 4mg. hope this works! I'll keep you guys updated on my progress, day 1 begin's..
 
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Well the 8mg I took is working but not to much, I don't feel stable. Would it help if I took 2 more mg?
 
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Does anyone actually read through the thousands of previous posts?!

More suboxone is not going to help you, you have to give it time to start working, which could take 24-48 hours...
 
BlueHues said:
^True, but at some point, you switch from being dependent on the original opiate you were taking to being dependent on the buprenorphine, which takes a lot longer to detox from, and this is why it's a good idea to use as little bupe and detox as quickly as possible, IMO.
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right on the money. I know people, myself included, who've been trying to taper bupe for years. don't go down that road if you really want to be "clean".Listen to these guys I wish I would have.
 
I understand, but I thought you could keep dosing until you are stable, then taper down? And tomorrow I'm jumping down 4mg and I wanted to be stable before dropping down. And I was not talking about doing any extra bupe than planned, just taking 2 more mg then changing my taper, still 6 day's, still the same amount of bupe..
 
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