important LSD question

[Solipsis]

as for the gas chromatography/mass spectrometry sample analysis findings in the Netherlands - Nice! but i have a question about that. were these "tests" conducted in order to rule out similar and possibly active molecular analogues, other chemicals/contaminants, or just to test for the presence of LSD?

Perhaps the samples did contain LSD and perhaps other microgram active constituents as well... IDK... do you?

on the other hand, if these GC/MS tested blotters somehow determined beyond a shadow of a doubt that the content of these tabs was very pure LSD without anything else, then what did they feel like? hmm? does anyone here know? i certainly don't, because none of the hundreds of hits that i ate including the one good one were not analyzed.

the whole reason that i started this thread is because i'm looking to find anyone who has placed a tab on his/her tongue and felt a distinctive electrical shock feeling buzz/fizzle in the mouth - a pleasant and not painful but strong sensation - which was followed by the most high and intense retuning of perception ever experienced.

Reporting for duty

Alass I have trouble getting through to the people behind these testings but blotter is not only tested quantitatively but qualitatively. You get results in micrograms if there is indeed LSD on your blotter. However if there is DOX or 5-MeO-AMT or something on them it cannot really be tested, it will come back negative for LSD but you are told that doesn't mean that something else isn't on there.

Blotters with LSD AND other active compounds on them? Come on, are you kidding? It's pointless.

Personally I have only had actual working LSD when I bought acid blotters. Well the only bunk I got was my very first one and I got it for free with outspoken doubts of the donor, after that it was 100% good shit. Definitely a 100 microgram average but it ranged from 37 to 210.

I have to say I have quality connections though, not that many really, but all people who dont fuck others with bad drugs and dont let themselves get fucked.
You just make it sound like you are getting low quality stuff most of the time. Sorry. But dont act out on us with bullshit.
No offense, weird statistics can make you think strange things indeed... but look at the available evidence though.

Since in other parts of the world standards may be lower it makes sense that erowid results of tested american blotter were pretty low. I think 30-40 ug is quite normal and on 1 of those you won't trip like you describe that "other" stuff.

How many times have you gotten different lame blotters? How many times did you get them from the same connections?!
If you really got hundreds of different ones, and from a good number of different sources as well then wow aren't you unlucky. Your whole region may have a dry spell.

Just sounds to me like you got surprised with a decently dosed blotter all of a sudden, who knows it may be 200-300-400+ ug.

And the freaky electric sensation in the mouth, in the salivary glands it seems or throat... that's pretty normal if you ask me. Not always that strong though, depends.

 

[freescale]

People generally do things for a reason. When it comes to drugs usually it has to do with money, unless you're the CIA in the 1950s or the founder of some new space alien cult. One of the DOx family or maybe 2C-P are about the only drugs that can fit on a blotter tab or sugar cube, neither of which is significantly cheaper per-dose than acid. And even if they were, if you're double dipping some other drug along with LSD you're just increasing the cost without an appreciable increase in the price. Can you give us a reason why someone would do that sort of thing? It just doesn't make any kind of sense to me.

 

[mollycoddled]

sounds like a bad sign I've dropped liquid plenty of times and I didnt taste shit

 

[Shambles]

Liquid would taste of whatever the crystal was made into solution with - usually vodka or some other spirit.

Have had that "electric" taste a few times with blotters but never with microdots or liquid. Bore no relation to how potent the tabs were whether they had that taste or not though. Was all good either way.

 

[rogueone]

all i can say is that in this one "acid" experience there was an extreme and fundamental difference in quality of the experience. it seemed to me very strongly (subjectively of course) that it was a very pure version of LSD. every other experience that i've had to date has been at best mediocre in comparison. some of the other trips on "lsd" were downright horrible feeling in a physiological sense. it would be like trying to compare street cocaine to pharmaceutical grade cocaine, similar effects but drastically different overall quality.

i don't generally assume that black market lsd is cut with other things, i just mentioned the possibility. i'm more interested in the possibility of slightly altered molecules, a hydrogen off or in the wrong place, bond rotations occurring in less than ideal conditions during or after synthesis. i'm talking about molecules analogous to LSD that are almost identical but are imperfect keys. many such molecular structures would probably further degrade into inactive components. but, it seems fair to assume, since there is a plethora of analogues developed by Hoffman himself, that there very well could be slightly altered analogous molecules in a particular batch that would be active and cause undesirable effects.

why not? does anyone have solid scientific evidence to refute this theory?

i am very aware of the subjective effects that mindset and environmental setting have on the psychedelic experience. what is interesting about the one good batch of acid that i believe i had, was that set and setting was practically no different than any other trip for me in those days. i was out with friends as always, doing basically the same old shit as i always did. i felt okay about myself at the time as usual. no differences really in diet, mood, or attitude, where we went, or what we did. i didn't plan trips in those days or mentally prepare for them.

the electric buzz sensation was felt the instant the very small tab touched my tongue. no other paper has before or since caused such a sensation. and no, this was not a hallucinated sensation that came in as the acid kicked in. it was there at the moment of first contact.

the difference in the quality of the ensuing trip compared to my other experiences with supposed LSD was way too drastic and extreme to write off as differences in set and setting.

this was a batch difference, i was ingesting either: a different compound other than LSD or very pure LSD with little to no microgram active analogues.

i have absolutely no reason to propagate waves of anti-black-market-acid propaganda. it may seem that i am but that is not my interest at all. i just want the truth.

BTW, on many occasions i did blotters from the exact same batch several times. every time i did this i got fairly consistent results with minor differences based on set and setting. if i was in the company of cool people and at a friendly place, the trip would feel better. if i hung around negative or scary people the trip would sometimes suck as a result. but even in the good settings the jaw-clench and tight aching feeling was prevalent throughout the experience with many batches.

the one good acid that i had created intensely pleasurable physical sensations with absolutely no speed like anxiety. zero jaw clenching, no pain anywhere in my body, only ecstasy (but not like MDMA).

i had a lab grade chemical one time i believe and only one time. exactly what it was is what i hope to find out and experience again.

peace...

 

[Ismene]

but, it seems fair to assume, since there is a plethora of analogues developed by Hoffman himself, that there very well could be slightly altered analogous molecules in a particular batch that would be active and cause undesirable effects.

why not?

Because none of them were remotely active at the same dose as LSD? That's what Hoffman said in his book anyway.

 

[rogueone]

Because none of them were remotely active at the same dose as LSD? That's what Hoffman said in his book anyway.

i say this with total respect RIP - we miss you Dr. Hoffman; but if he had purchased some of the black market "LSD" that we've bought, he might have a different opinion. or he might just say that most black market versions of LSD are not real and is some other psychedelic compound on paper. as staunch a scientist as the man was i doubt he would have maintained the same level of passion about it until his death; that is if his true baby was no better than most of what's on the streets.

i've had clean and not so clean acid. but it goes much higher than just clean feeling and energetic, it goes into a dimension of absolute ecstatic euphoria accompanied by an indescribably pleasurable sensation flowing through your body that makes you feel like you are literally off the ground, way beyond "floaty". i'm sure that some of you know what i'm talking about, as i believe that i'm not the only one that has had the best, but i still contend that many have not, because i certainly fell into the have not category until it came my way.

but there's no way for me to know, i'm simply done with it until someone presents me with some WoW non-perf again that puts that buzz on my tongue. all i know is that it rocked my freakin world like nothing before or since and i want it again

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