Immigration discussion

[Pissed_and_messed]

yeah it is not like I could just start farming anywhere, set my house anywhere by any means necessary or hunt any animal anywhere as people are so many, while system is also asking for taxes, so welfare programs are necessary in in this reference frame.

 

[-=SS=-]

yeah it is not like I could just start farming anywhere, set my house anywhere by any means necessary or hunt any animal anywhere as people are so many, while system is also asking for taxes, so welfare programs are necessary in in this reference frame.

"If you don't like it, then you can always leave".

Ok brb.. just going to the Scottish highlands to live off rock moss and midge flies. Like that might work in the USA, but good fucking luck going wild in the UK lmao. Virtually the entire land mass is privately owned, and any 'common land' is basically left-overs that are unfertile or otherwise utterly useless.

I really don't understand the harsh mentality of 'pull yourself up'. For example, you can't even piss on the ground like any other animal would do, you'll get fined if caught, and consequently you're limited to where you can go since everything is built up and concreted. Ok, fine. I shan't piss on the street. But then where the fuck are the public toilets? Oh that's right, they've all been shut to save money.

There has to be a balance. You can't just say "fuck you pleb, work harder". Excuse me, but this entire system only continues because we, the people, silently say it shall continue.

 

[arrall]

But Europe must remain an overwhelmingly White homeland, & remigration of non-Europeans is necessary ASAP.

I honestly believe that ALL races do best segregated (travel for relatively short periods is good, though). And I don’t want to see ANY race (or their unique culture)disappear/be mixed into oblivion. Just like I weep when I think of all the endangered & extinct species. All races have their pros and cons. And segregation is necessary to maintain variety.

Why do you think that non-whites need to be removed from Europe, or that it is important for races to remain separate and segregated?
Aren't we all human after all?
What's the difference, other than our skin tone?

 

[arrall]

"If you don't like it, then you can always leave".

Ok brb.. just going to the Scottish highlands to live off rock moss and midge flies. Like that might work in the USA, but good fucking luck going wild in the UK lmao. Virtually the entire land mass is privately owned, and any 'common land' is basically left-overs that are unfertile or otherwise utterly useless.

I really don't understand the harsh mentality of 'pull yourself up'. For example, you can't even piss on the ground like any other animal would do, you'll get fined if caught, and consequently you're limited to where you can go since everything is built up and concreted. Ok, fine. I shan't piss on the street. But then where the fuck are the public toilets? Oh that's right, they've all been shut to save money.

There has to be a balance. You can't just say "fuck you pleb, work harder". Excuse me, but this entire system only continues because we, the people, silently say it shall continue.

This is the fundamental issue with capitalism, since it prioritizes capital over human well-being.
Until we shift to a system that prioritizes and works for humanity rather than capital, our societies will continue to collapse and this nutcase eugenics Nazi bullshit will be used as a distraction for the white working class to focus on, because fascism continues the interests of capital whereas socialism prioritizes the interests of the people and redistributes capital to the hands of each and every member of society.
The wealthy elites love when the working class gets caught up in fascism, since they are free to collaborate with fascists and further their interests.
Genuine change in the form of a new economic system is the only way to free humanity and create a society that works for everyone.

 

[Electrum1]

Some solid progress

 

[-=SS=-]

Until we shift to a system that prioritizes and works for humanity rather than capital, our societies will continue to collapse and this nutcase eugenics Nazi bullshit will be used as a distraction for the white working class to focus on, because fascism continues the interests of capital whereas socialism prioritizes the interests of the people and redistributes capital to the hands of each and every member of society.

Genuine change in the form of a new economic system is the only way to free humanity and create a society that works for everyone.

The problem I take with the underlined is that the negative moral impulses you're sort of alluding to here aren't just confined to white people. Look at the BLM organisers who pocketed millions or the slow but growing 'white people must die' attitude that pervades that demographic, or equally in the Muslim populations in a different vein, etc. Simply switching out economic models, or political models, or even discarding an entire demographic (white people), is not going to fundamentally alter what is the real underlying issue of all of this.. which is psychology.

There's no sense throwing out the baby with the bathwater though. What we should be doing is using what we've built up, and retracing certain steps to get back to a healthy psychology and building a new system around that. If we actually did that first then we may evolve into a position where an economic system isn't even required at all. But simply changing out capitalism for socialism just switches up the problems to overcome. You can't give a homeless person a bunch of money and just expect them to rise in moral and refined qualities, I think everyone understands that - if they had reached a certain level before becoming destitute it's possible of course to rebound, providing they haven't damaged their biological machinery.

I agree we need change, but I think the origins of where that has to come from are what I'm in disagreement with here.

 

[fairnymph]

Why do you think that non-whites need to be removed from Europe, or that it is important for races to remain separate and segregated?
Aren't we all human after all?
What's the difference, other than our skin tone?

Because I like diversity. And TRUE diversity can only be maintained via segregation - this is why speciation cannot occur without it.

But, if you want to make it even simpler, I love my people and I love being surrounded by other people who look and act and think like me. I want to live in a country that is built by people like me for people like me. I want such countries, which have existed for millennia, to continue to exist.

And when I travel, I want to visit countries that are built by & for a DIFFERENT people based on different values and different aesthetics. I find it tragic that there are now McDonald’s etc all over the globe, that people from varying ethnic groups are all normalising to the same globalist content and no longer producing content that reflects their individual bio-spirits.

Do you oppose non-white countries remaining non-white? Do you support the right of the Japanese to stay Japanese and the Nigerians to stay Nigerian?

 

[fairnymph]

This is the fundamental issue with capitalism, since it prioritizes capital over human well-being.
Until we shift to a system that prioritizes and works for humanity rather than capital, our societies will continue to collapse and this nutcase eugenics Nazi bullshit will be used as a distraction for the white working class to focus on, because fascism continues the interests of capital whereas socialism prioritizes the interests of the people and redistributes capital to the hands of each and every member of society.
The wealthy elites love when the working class gets caught up in fascism, since they are free to collaborate with fascists and further their interests.
Genuine change in the form of a new economic system is the only way to free humanity and create a society that works for everyone.

You know the Nazis were socialist, right? They were all about prioritising the interest of the German people.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

You know the Nazis were socialist, right? They were all about prioritising the interest of the German people.

The Nazis were not socialist but they did coopt socialist talking points and issues to get the vote of the working class

 

[alasdairm]

^ indeed.

conflating national socialism and socialism seems to happen occasionally on bluelight but it's a mistake.

as sgoti says, they did start out publicizing some socialist policies - nationalization of businesses, social welfare, etc. hitler understood the power of this kind of propaganda early on.

but practically speaking, they were not socialist in any meaningful way, and demonstrably not after about 1933, when socialists, democrats, communists and jews were removed from government positions and trades unions were outlawed. in july that year, all other political parties were outlawed and political rivals were arrested and sent to concentration camps.

june 30th 1934 was the night of the long knives which included the murder of gregor strasser, an early left-wing leader of the nazi party.

tl;dr the nazis were not socialists.

alasdair

 

[tryptakid]

^ indeed.

conflating national socialism and socialism seems to happen occasionally on bluelight but it's a mistake.

as sgoti says, they did start out publicizing some socialist policies - nationalization of businesses, social welfare, etc. hitler understood the power of this kind of propaganda early on.

but practically speaking, they were not socialist in any meaningful way, and demonstrably not after about 1933, when socialists, democrats, communists and jews were removed from government positions and trades unions were outlawed. in july that year, all other political parties were outlawed and political rivals were arrested and sent to concentration camps.

june 30th 1934 was the night of the long knives which included the murder of gregor strasser, an early left-wing leader of the nazi party.

tl;dr the nazis were not socialists.

alasdair

But they were socialists. Their ideology emerged from socialist theory just as syndicalists and mutualists did as well. While they may have been anti-communist, there was very much a socialist state at the heart of the reich.

 

[alasdairm]

maybe before 1933/1934 but after that?

i'll agree to disagree.

alasdair

 

[fairnymph]

You guys are kind of proving my point in that large-scale socialism inevitably leads to totalitarianism. It’s just a matter of how long it takes.

 

[tryptakid]

You guys are kind of proving my point in that large-scale socialism inevitably leads to totalitarianism. It’s just a matter of how long it takes.

All socialist countries have resulted in horrific totalitarian regimes

USSR
Cambodia under Pol Pot
Nazi Germany
Cuba under Castro
China under Mao

Vietnam is the only country that seems to have been relatively benign... most of the fuckery was caused by the US.

I'm much more in favor of social democracy or libertarian socialist style governance.

 

[arrall]

that the negative moral impulses you're sort of alluding to here aren't just confined to white people

I agree. My point is that Western fascists see the white working class as an easy voter base to manipulate and primarily target them. They do this by attempting to turn the white working class's ire away from the ruling class who oppress them and make their lives hell, and instead redirect this rage towards other working class people of other ethnicities who are struggling just as much as anyone else. Since this prevents any meaningful change from occurring, the capitalist ruling class supports it.

The real war is the class war.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

I agree. My point is that Western fascists see the white working class as an easy voter base to manipulate and primarily target them. They do this by attempting to turn the white working class's ire away from the ruling class who oppress them and make their lives hell, and instead redirect this rage towards other working class people of other ethnicities who are struggling just as much as anyone else. Since this prevents any meaningful change from occurring, the capitalist ruling class supports it.

The real war is the class war.

Ever wonder why is all political discussion from both sides now a days always focus on dividing people rather than uniting them?

That's because when you divide people up they don't have enough power to resist those trying to gain power by portraying themselves as your ally.
Think about it ...

 

[arrall]

Ever wonder why is all political discussion from both sides now a days always focus on dividing people rather than uniting them?

That's because when you divide people up they don't have enough power to resist those trying to gain power by portraying themselves as your ally.
Think about it ...

QFT
The neoliberals in the Democratic Party use similar strategies and participate in this one-party system from a center-right angle instead of a far-right angle.
They have the same corporate donors for a reason.

 

[-=SS=-]

QFT
The neoliberals in the Democratic Party use similar strategies and participate in this one-party system from a center-right angle instead of a far-right angle.
They have the same corporate donors for a reason.

The "left vs right" paradigm is so utterly irrelevant, both in the USA and the UK. It's never been more obvious that it doesn't amount to shit and as Bill Hick's used to joke, "I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs, I think the puppet on the right is more to my liking!.. Hey! There's one guy holding both puppets!".

You have Labour in the UK at the moment looking to slash benefits to disabled and other people, something they would have berated the Conservatives for doing until the end of time if they did it. They want to force all the young unemployed "work shy" back into work (for shit wages) while ignoring the epidemic of depression and hopelessness in them. Utterly interchangeable parties who are taking orders from higher places.

They'll be conscripting young people next to fight Russia. That will give the young left-leaning and Labour voters the biggest shock of all. The betrayal will be complete.

 

[tryptakid]

The "left vs right" paradigm is so utterly irrelevant, both in the USA and the UK. It's never been more obvious that it doesn't amount to shit and as Bill Hick's used to joke, "I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs, I think the puppet on the right is more to my liking!.. Hey! There's one guy holding both puppets!".

I agree... the major difference comes down to whether the state should actively police values (and how), and whether we should bail out individuals or businesses more.

 

[Jnowhere]

But they were socialists. Their ideology emerged from socialist theory just as syndicalists and mutualists did as well. While they may have been anti-communist, there was very much a socialist state at the heart of the reich.

Yes the state had control over the command economy and was in control of labor and production. I don't think the younger kids understand that Socialism is big government and control over every aspect of the economy and people's lives. Strong powerful governments and command economies turn into dictatorships and destroy ingenuity and any incentive to innovate. Freedom is so passè. Obey your master. The state now owns you.lol
No competition leads to stagnation then recession, then depression and finally collapse. Look at what Eastern Europe was like when communism collapsed. Oh that's right so many pushing the far left socialist agenda weren't old enough and many weren't even born to remember it. Those that don't learn the lessons of history.........Oh well you can find out for yourselves. Lol

I remember it well. Millions of people trying to run West and no one running East. Those nightly news casts where Socialist or Communist countries collapsed and the Iron Curtain lifted to reveal a human rights disaster; generations in the making. Those countries still have not ever rose to the level of their Western counterparts.

The good news is that the more Muslim immigrants Europe let's in; the closer to a society that embraces Sharia Law. You do know what that means or do I need to go over the finer points of what a future Europistan will look like.

Who will be first to be beheaded or stoned to death for sex outside marriage of a man and his wives. Wanna see some pictures of homosexuals being executed in Iran? Adulter's( usually just women) being stoned to death? ( not the fun kind of getting stoned. )
Druggies being beheaded in Saudi Arabia? People being executed for criticism of Islam? No bacon. When will forced praying become the norm? Then again Europe is morally and Spiritually dead. Women's rights? Well at least no more abortions on demand. Ladies you will not have to worry about the latest fashion trends. You will all be wearing a long black sheet with only you eyes or maybe your face showing.

Decisions for women will be made by the Supreme Islamic Leader or in some cases by your male relatives.
Enjoy, you new found freedom to shut up and obey, ladies.

As someone who drank way to much; I think it will be interesting to see what an alcohol free Europe will look like. Of course there still will be drinking. But the punishments are quite harsh. Moonshine? Time to get some stripes. LMAO. But remember no more bacon.