I'm trans-racial.

[ForEverAfter]

You win, I forfeit on the basis of retaining my sanity.
I'm suddenly reminded of a quote by Mark Twain

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experince"

I'm not saying your ignorant in general, but you are about to the point of this thread.

Funny how you're so afraid of honestly answering the questions.
Quoting Mark Twain and attempting to discredit me (yet again) doesn't get you out of the corner.

 

[Ninae]

I don't want you to care. I want you to accept me, for who I am.

It's not that anyone can't accept you, it's more that there's not much to accept.

As long as someone hasn't undergone any procedures to make themselves more like a different race, which many do, there's not really anything to disturb others with. They might find it funny if they knew your thoughts but most would probably forget it soon as there are worse things.

It's not really anything to set you apart socially, as long as it doesn't directly affect people's perception of you, and you can also change your mind or choose not to talk about it at any point.

 

[methamaniac]

FFS!
I did answer.
Is there a particular answer you are looking for?
Give me a list describing the acceptable answers for what constitutes being a man to you.

Ok, I have nothing to add to what being "Asian" means.
So any answer you give will be acceptable.
If you can't answer what it means to be a Asian to someone who has no idea of what that means than don't expect respect or acceptance.
I can't accept or respect a blank definition.

 

[ForEverAfter]

It's not that anyone can't accept you, it's more that there's not much to accept.

Lots of people on this thread aren't accepting trans-racialism as a real thing.

As long as someone hasn't undergone any procedures to make themselves more like a different race, which many do, there's not really anything to disturb others with.

So, in order to qualify for acceptance, I need to undergo surgery? I feel like a lot of trans-gendered and trans-racial people would feel less compelled to undergo racial and sexual re-assignment surgery, if they were accepted for who they were in the first place... This is particularly hard to explain... I suspect that most male to female trans-genders don't complete the surgery "downstairs" because they pass as women by having the other surgeries and the final surgery is "unneeded".

I feel like society is more comfortable with a woman that looks like a woman rather than a woman that looks like a man.
And, more comfortable with an Asian man that looks like an Asian man.

I'm sure it's not a pressing concern for most people, especially those who aren't trans-racial / trans-gender.
But, it's important to me.

I want to feel like I can talk freely about it...
and, if trans-gender is socially acceptable now, why shouldn't I?

It's not really anything to set you apart socially, as long as it doesn't directly affect people's perception of you...

It sets me apart just mentioning it. As I expected, people either judge me or try to arrogantly disprove my condition.

...and you can also change your mind or choose not to talk about it at any point.

I want to feel like I can talk about it.
I'm sick of hiding.

 

[ForEverAfter]

FFS!
I did answer.
Is there a particular answer you are looking for?

An honest one.

Give me a list describing the acceptable answers for what constitutes being a man to you.

I can't. It is impossible to define.
Either admit that or answer the questions honestly and re-attempt your definition.

I can't accept or respect a blank definition.

That's funny... Neither can I.

...

Stop going in circles.
If you'd like to insist that you're being honest, even though you're obviously not, then answer the Ghandi question/s.

Here they are:

Was Ghandi a woman?
Or was he just less of a man than you are?
How do you measure a man, or a woman?

I am a compassionate pacifist.
Am I less of a man than you are, too?

 

[Ninae]

You can't expect to be taken seriously when there are no socially observable signs of it.

If someone with dark hair wants to be identified as blond they have to dye their hair. If they want to be identified with another nationality they have to move to that country. You're not identified so much by how you feel inside.

Like I said, if someone goes to steps to physically change their gender or race people notice, because it can't be missed. But if you were to tell someone you've always felt like an Asian within, even if you have no real reason to, they will just think of it as a curiosity that's no big deal.

 

[methamaniac]

If you can't answer what it means to be a Asian to someone who has no idea of what that means than don't expect respect or acceptance.
I can't accept or respect a blank definition.

Checkmate

You 're the one that is asking for respect and acceptance.
I'm not asking for anything.
As I said quite a few posts back you don't have to accept my definition for man.
You might as well tell me you are really an alien in a human body. It would actually be more descriptive than what it means to be "Asian".

Srry, gameover
Arcade Game - Mission Failed Set (Quest, Game Ove…: http://youtu.be/eiEdispO7lE

 

[ForEverAfter]

You can't expect to be taken seriously when there are no socially observable signs of it.

What about Michael Jackson?
(I'm sure nobody took the first trans-gendered person seriously.)

I can't expect to be taken seriously?
What, until it's socially acceptable? So is compassion an illusion?
Can't we see beyond what our society deems acceptable?

But if you were to tell someone you've always felt like an Asian inside, even if you have no real reason to

I don't feel like "an Asian". I'm getting a bit upset with people telling me that I'm not Asian, and I just feel like it... Would you say to a trans-gendered person that they just feel like they're a woman in a man's body, until they get the surgery, and then you agree to change the pronouns? ... If a pre-op transgender person asks to be called by "she", should we say, "No. You haven't had the surgery yet," or "No, you're not wearing a dress?"

 

[Ninae]

What about Michael Jackson?
(I'm sure nobody took the first trans-gendered person seriously.)

I can't expect to be taken seriously?
What, until it's socially acceptable? So is compassion an illusion?
Can't we see beyond what our society deems acceptable?

This has got to be a joke at this point?

It's not socially unacceptable, no one are holding it against you. You're the one who's making it into something socially unacceptable and comparing it with trans-genderism.

Everyone will have forgotten about this very soon.

 

[methamaniac]

I don't feel like "an Asian".
I AM ASIAN

You are the confused one formly known as foreverafter is what you are.
Have you come up with a symbol yet?

 

[ForEverAfter]

meth,

If you're going to refuse to honestly answer a couple of simple questions, then why continue posting in this thread?

You hit a dead end and you're trying to wriggle your way out of it.
You can't provide what you're demanding of me.

Hypocrisy.

This has got to be a joke at this point?

Why does it have to be a joke?!?

I'm a mother-fucking Laotian midget.

You're the one who's making it into something socially unacceptable and comparing it with trans-genderism.

I'm not making it socially unacceptable. That's crazy.
The comparisons to trans-gender are obvious / unavoidable.

Everyone will have forgotten about this very soon.

And everyone will have forgotten about your threads, too.
I'm not trying to stake my place in history, here.
I don't know what your point is.

 

[methamaniac]

This has got to be a joke at this point?

Everyone will have forgotten about this very soon.

Whatever it is it fails.
Trying to compare terms trans-gender and trans-racial fails. I think about 5 of us now have said it and at 3 of us have explained why.
The novelty of this thread is wearing off.

 

[ForEverAfter]

You haven't explained why.
You hit a dead end.

Your attempted explanation failed.
That's why you refused to answer the questions.
Because, you realized the hypocrisy.

You're, evidently, incapable of providing what you demand of me.

The novelty of this thread is wearing off.

Agreed.

 

[methamaniac]

You haven't explained why.
You hit a dead end.

I have over and over.
For arguments sake lets say I have "hit a dead end"
How does that remotely make trans-racial real?
Let me answer for you since you can't/won't.....
It doesn't.

Why should I respect or accept something that isn't real?
Again I will answer for you......
I shouldn't

 

[ForEverAfter]

I have over and over.

No, mate, you haven't.

How does that remotely make trans-racial real?

It was never my intention to make trans-racial real.

...

I'm not really trans-racial, I was just attempting to start a dialogue about gender, race and transgenderism.
There were some amusing moments at first, but this thread has degenerated into petty arguments.

Apologies if I offended or irritated anyone.
I was just having fun.

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[methamaniac]

I am actually trans-gender.
Thanks for making a joke out of my experience.

 

[ForEverAfter]

That made me laugh out loud.

 

[Ninae]

I was just having fun.

Good. I thought you had descended into insanity for a minute.

 

[methamaniac]

That made me laugh out loud.

Oh, so you find the trans-gender community funny do you? We are just a bunch of clowns are we?
No respect I tell ya, no respect

 

[ForEverAfter]

Shut up, you filthy tranny.