Im thinking my adderal increases my anxiety on MDMA?

[HaleMercy]

About a month ago, I took my first cap of molly. It looked almost like a mixture of crystals and powder, or just the crystals had broken up a bit at the bottom. Anyways i was well aware on who i got it from and asked a couple of people who used it already that it was good.
I ended up taking it at a Bassnectar concert. My friend left me to use the bathroom while i was outside smoking, and for some reason i just got this instinct to go find my friend. I ended up going to the bathroom, not finding her and sweating balls in a bathroom stall freaking out not knowing what to do. She finally found me, and i felt instant relief of anxiety and we took a walk to my car to be alone and relax. The feeling of being sick came back and forth along with being hot and freezing cold the whole night (did eat prior). I started rolling when i was in my car relaxing and i loved it, i found softer music a little more appealing but it felt like it lasted only about 20 min until i felt sick again after that. When i returned to the venue everyone was doing their thing, dancing harmless and almost angelic like mixed with being cracked out but it really freaked me the hell out when i made i contact with anyone and i ended up leaving. In the moment i literally felt like everyone was possessed and i was just turned off by the whole scene, but when im not rolling i love the music, i understand what everyones doing, why they look like that and i know everyones basically in a really happy state of mind (also its kinda cool but i cant listen to any of the songs i listened to when i was rolling, it literally brings back everything and i almost get nervous but then hype at the same time).

Im attending Bonarroo this year, which is about 2 weeks away and i really really really want to try molly again because at one point i did feel extremely good on it, but im hoping its better than before, especially when im going to be far away from home. Ive learned that i need to be little more relaxed when i take it and let just things go, knowing nothing bad will happen, but ive seen these sick hot cold or paranoid feelings happen to common users. I am prescribed to 30mg IR adderal twice daily. I dont take it with my molly, but i take it in the morning, and sometimes the come down of Adderal tends to give me anxiety and chest pains. Im wondering if either my adderal is giving me a bad roll, or if i just need to learn to control myself a little better. I just want to get the full positive effect of molly that everyone loves and enjoy some good music at Bonaroo.

 

[Clocktower]

Adderall is cross-tolerant with MDMA, so you'll need to stop taking it a few days before you roll (at least) to get full effects from the MDMA. However, if you want to use MDMA safely and prevent a negative experience you'll need to reagent test your product and weigh your dose. Check out this sticky thread.

 

[laugh]

halemercy welcome to bluelight

have you tested your 'molly' to affirm it is actually mdma?

adderal, dex, or other stimulants may increase anxiety though it will ultimately be up to the individual.

i would suggest confirming the street drugs you have are actually what they are claimed to be.

imo it is insane that one can source adderal from a chemist and mdma from the street.

 

[HaleMercy]

Thanks!
I had gotten my molly from a close friend of mine, and asked several other people (including the friend that i took it with) if the molly was legit.
I know i should have but i did not test it because i didnt have a testing kit to do so. A majority of my friends have all gotten the same stuff from the friend i got it off of and told me not to worry that it was legit and really nice molly.

I was a little paranoid at first when i took it but i did my best to calm myself. I just dont want to feel sick every 10 minutes if i decide to take it again.
I didnt take it with my adderal, i took my adderal that morning, and the molly that evening. Ill probably skip a few days taking my adderal prior to taking the molly and hopefully that will help. Any advice for when feeling sick ? or hot and cold

 

[Folley]

If you're feeling sick, I REALLY doubt it's good MDMA.



Just because people SAY it's legit, doesn't mean shit. People are damn stupid these days... no one seems to know the difference between bath salts and the love drug, it's really sad actually.. the only thing you can trust is that you can trust NOTHING, other than a reagent reaction

 

[futura2012]

If you're feeling sick, I REALLY doubt it's good MDMA.

I know loads of people who get sick on MDMA. Particularly on come up. MDMA has a big impact on serotonin in the intestines so this is not unusual.

If your friends all suggested its good product then theres a reasonable chance it could be MDMA. It might not be of course but dont make assumptions if you are trying to diagnose a problem like this. Of course a test kit is highly advised, ideally multiple test kits are even better as this gives you a wider scope to your test results.

The adderall certainly wont help the situation as speed mixed with MDMA makes you more prone to sickness.

Definitely dont take it at least two days before maybe even 3-4 days just to make sure its 100% clear.

Try preloading on 5HTP ensuring your serotonin supplies are at there best.

Also a good regime of exercise and healthy diet prior to consumption will help as well.

On the next roll try and be a little conservative about the dose. Start off with lower dose and see if this improves the sickness you can always add more if things are stable.

There are meds available such as stomach settlers which you could try and there are also meds called Antiemetics. These are drugs specifically designed to prevent you from being sick. However, I would say using antiemetics might be a case of using a hammer to crack an egg so best try some of the more natural options first and see how you progress.

http://ash2.wikkii.com/wiki/Antiemetic_Regimen

You will have to approach this an experiment really trying out all the various options until you diagnose the problem. the other option to consider is you may just be someone who is unlucky and feels sick whilst on MDMA its possible so dont rule this out. By taking smaller doses you should be able to illiminate that as a direct cause.

Good luck let us know what you figure out.

 

[futura2012]

If you're feeling sick, I REALLY doubt it's good MDMA.

I know loads of people who get sick on MDMA. Particularly on come up. MDMA has a big impact on serotonin in the intestines so this is not unusual.

Just because people SAY it's legit, doesn't mean shit. People are damn stupid these days... no one seems to know the difference between bath salts and the love drug, it's really sad actually.. the only thing you can trust is that you can trust NOTHING, other than a reagent reaction

Yawn another tirade about how MDMA couldnt possibley be to blame and how people are so stupid. Shame during this tirade you havent even addressed what the OP is asking.



If your friends all suggested its good product then theres a reasonable chance it could be MDMA. It might not be of course but dont make assumptions if you are trying to diagnose a problem like this. Of course a test kit is highly advised, ideally multiple test kits are even better as this gives you a wider scope to your test results.

The adderall certainly wont help the situation as speed mixed with MDMA makes you more prone to sickness.

Definitely dont take it at least two days before maybe even 3-4 days just to make sure its 100% clear.

Try preloading on 5HTP ensuring your serotonin supplies are at there best.

Also a good regime of exercise and healthy diet prior to consumption will help as well.

On the next roll try and be a little conservative about the dose. Start off with lower dose and see if this improves the sickness you can always add more if things are stable.

There are meds available such as stomach settlers which you could try and there are also meds called Antiemetics. These are drugs specifically designed to prevent you from being sick. However, I would say using antiemetics might be a case of using a hammer to crack an egg so best try some of the more natural options first and see how you progress.

http://ash2.wikkii.com/wiki/Antiemetic_Regimen

You will have to approach this an experiment really trying out all the various options until you diagnose the problem. the other option to consider is you may just be someone who is unlucky and feels sick whilst on MDMA its possible so dont rule this out. By taking smaller doses you should be able to illiminate that as a direct cause.

Good luck let us know what you figure out.

 

[Folley]

Feeling slightly nauseous on MDMA is one thing, feeling physically ill for an extended period of time is another.


If you have good quality MDMA, you should NOT be feeling like this:

i found softer music a little more appealing but it felt like it lasted only about 20 min until i felt sick again after that. When i returned to the venue everyone was doing their thing, dancing harmless and almost angelic like mixed with being cracked out but it really freaked me the hell out when i made i contact with anyone and i ended up leaving. In the moment i literally felt like everyone was possessed and i was just turned off by the whole scene

I believe that if the OP gets a test kit, he will completely avoid these feelings. It's fine if you disagree and think that it is common for MDMA to cause those effects, and I would agree to some extent... but I think you're just wanting to argue for the sake of arguing if you disagree that another drug is MUCH, MUCH more likely to cause these effects.

Try preloading on 5HTP ensuring your serotonin supplies are at there best.

Preloading with 5-HTP is not effective. From ALL accounts, it is best taken AFTER MDMA when the TPH enzyme is inhibited to get back to baseline levels of serotonin faster. Shoving 5-HT precursors into your brain is not going to help... you can only have so much serotonin, trying to shove more and more in there is not a good idea, and is likely to exacerbate these feelings even if he does having good MDMA.





In my opinion, the most important thing is that the OP actually knows what he is taking. You're right, making assumptions is very bad in this case.... which is why we can't assume he has MDMA, and that the first reasonable course of action is to verify that the substance itself isn't making him sick. After that, if the problem persists, I would recommend a natural supplement like Ginger to alleviate stomach problems before turning to hardcore anti-nausea medication. However I am very confident this is a problem with the drug itself, and that's is my main piece of advice to him.



You seem to be very argumentative recently.. you say I always put the blame on the drug not being MDMA, but I say you blame WAY TOO MUCH on it actually being the drug when no one has any idea what it is, in reality.

 

[The Dr]

If you're afraid of stoping use of your adderal you could always try to find some benzo's. Contrary to popular belief, I think it can enhance a roll significantly. Just take a small amount. Half mg of Xanax would do the trick. If your roll sucks on that, then the molly sucks.

 

[futura2012]

If you're afraid of stoping use of your adderal you could always try to find some benzo's. Contrary to popular belief, I think it can enhance a roll significantly. Just take a small amount. Half mg of Xanax would do the trick. If your roll sucks on that, then the molly sucks.

From a non HR standpoint you could try this coctail but im not so sure about the mix of upper, downer and MDMA is such a healthy plan.

Interesting you have this effect with benzo + MDMA I have heard many user reports suggesting it nulls the roll. I suppose it might be quite similiar to mixing MDMA and alcohol do you get a kind of disorientated feeling when you take this mix?

 

[The Dr]

From a non HR standpoint you could try this coctail but im not so sure about the mix of upper, downer and MDMA is such a healthy plan.

Interesting you have this effect with benzo + MDMA I have heard many user reports suggesting it nulls the roll. I suppose it might be quite similiar to mixing MDMA and alcohol do you get a kind of disorientated feeling when you take this mix?

The past three times I have done (well I guess it was MDA, same difference) I was on a good amount of benzos. All it does is just relax your body. People think that benzo's slow down the mind. That is not true. Benzo's help relax you which makes you not think as much. So if your dosing MDA/MDMA and you get fidgety or body's cramping. It helps A LOT TRUST ME

EDIT: And this is actually not unhealthy at all.. Doctors will give you benzo's to help calm down if you go to an ER. Obviously don't take that big of a dose.

 

[futura2012]

All it does is just relax your body. People think that benzo's slow down the mind.

Its a psychoactive sedative so does both.

So if your dosing MDA/MDMA and you get fidgety or body's cramping. It helps A LOT TRUST ME

Thats interesting to hear your experience of this. Some people have suggested it nulls the roll so I guess different for everyone.

EDIT: And this is actually not unhealthy at all.. Doctors will give you benzo's to help calm down if you go to an ER. Obviously don't take that big of a dose.

Just becuase a doctor gives you something doesnt make it safe. Doctors are human just like us they can be lazy, can make mistakes, are often misinformed just like you and I. Never assume the doctor is always right this is often a fatal error many people make. Always question what they prescribe and always always always do your own research.

Besides if you went to a doctor and said what about a coctail of speed, benzo and MDMA what do you think they would say? I think we all know what their answer would be.

 

[The Dr]

Besides if you went to a doctor and said what about a coctail of speed, benzo and MDMA what do you think they would say? I think we all know what their answer would be.

I think if you went to a doctor and told them you were on an amphetamine and MDMA, and told them you took a benzo because you were feeling anxious. They wouldn't call it unhealthy, they would say taking MDMA is stupid and unhealthy. If your worried about being unhealthy, don't take MDMA in the first place.

 

[futura2012]

I think if you went to a doctor and told them you were on an amphetamine and MDMA, and told them you took a benzo because you were feeling anxious. They wouldn't call it unhealthy

I think you might be mistaken.

If your worried about being unhealthy, don't take MDMA in the first place.

I think theres a difference between the risks of taking MDMA and then the added risks of taking drug coctails.

Particularly a psychedelic stimulant + stimulant + sedative this just doesnt equate to good HR advice.

 

[HaleMercy]

Not sure if this makes a difference but i wasnt feeling "physically ill" , i just felt like i was going to throw up every 15 minutes. It all came in waves, i felt hot sick and paranoid at first, then i felt normal, sick,normal,then i started to roll, felt sick and then i kinda was just back to normal the rest of the night. And!!! I fell asleep fine, and I felt completely fine the next day. I kinda felt a little something , but it wasnt bad, it almost felt like i was rolling a tiny tiny tiny bit. That happy, airy,glowy feeling but i could barely notice it.

No one else got sick on this molly except for 1 other person out of about 15. I was even thinking about making myself get sick because i thought that might help and a few people said it would but its not that easy to make myself sick.

I think ill take it bits by bits and see how that works out. And ill do my best to hold off on the adderal

 

[The Dr]

Particularly a psychedelic stimulant + stimulant + sedative this just doesnt equate to good HR advice.

Mixing different types of drugs in general is bad. However what I'm saying does pertain to the topic of the question. To help anxiety, a benzo would help. Also I'd be more concerned if someone was doing a opiate combined with a stimulant, benzo isn't as bad as your making it out to be. However if you want to think your right, by all means keep on pressing for it. My advice is that taking a benzo can help with anxiety.. nothing more

 

[Diloadid]

I'm with Folley on the 5-HTP. Just a waste of some money you could spend elsewhere.

And dexamphetamine + MDMA would probably give a lot of people increased anxiety.

Test your gear. Blah blah////rant

Edit : when I inject MDMA I sometimes vomit. It usually feels pretty good.

Just running cold water over my head whilst I vomit, whilst I roll. Good stuff boys, good stuff,

 

[RobotRipping]

d-amp/adderall (adderall would be worse) and MDMA would give anyone increased anxiety. Not only are you releasing a ton of SE, you are releasing tons of DA and NE as well.

it's perfectly safe to add a benzo to that cocktail, absolutely no risk of anything physically, if you take too much you may black out and hurt yourself but that's it. The only risk is that you take wayyyy too much speed/mdma and the benzo wears off and your heart rate soars as well as blood pressure, might lead to some serious issues, so that'd be the only thing to watch out for. Stimulant/MDMA overdoses are treated with benzos.

 

[futura2012]

Mixing different types of drugs in general is bad.

Depends some drugs mix well together.

To help anxiety, a benzo would help.

Yes for short term use benzos releive anxiety.

Also I'd be more concerned if someone was doing a opiate combined with a stimulant,

Kind of irrelevant really you could say id be more concerned about getting run over by a truck than injecting heroin. Neither is advised.

benzo isn't as bad as your making it out to be.

Benzos short term are okay. Benzos long term can be very bad. Benzo+stimulant+MDMA is plain foolish.

However if you want to think your right, by all means keep on pressing for it.

My point is your suggestion of Benzo+Stimulant+MDMA is poor HR advice. Upper+Downer is a weird combo why not just axe them both and just take MDMA?

Its forum banter If you cant stand the heat stop responding.

My advice is that taking a benzo can help with anxiety.. nothing more

In context to the OP your advice was take a benzo in addition to speed + MDMA. my point was not such a bright idea.

Not sure if this makes a difference but i wasnt feeling "physically ill" , i just felt like i was going to throw up every 15 minutes. It all came in waves, i felt hot sick and paranoid at first, then i felt normal, sick,normal,then i started to roll, felt sick and then i kinda was just back to normal the rest of the night. And!!! I fell asleep fine, and I felt completely fine the next day. I kinda felt a little something , but it wasnt bad, it almost felt like i was rolling a tiny tiny tiny bit. That happy, airy,glowy feeling but i could barely notice it.

No one else got sick on this molly except for 1 other person out of about 15. I was even thinking about making myself get sick because i thought that might help and a few people said it would but its not that easy to make myself sick.

I think ill take it bits by bits and see how that works out. And ill do my best to hold off on the adderal

I dont think this makes much difference. In my opinion all the advice I submitted above would still apply.

 

[HaleMercy]

Thanks! I'll let you know how everything works out