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Im so scared

IwantitALL

IwantitALL

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I am in a terrible spot. I had to sell some of my subxone last week to make a bill paid, and now will be out for 4 full days. I take 8mg a day, and have since January 10th. I am pretty scared, and have to work to support my kids. What can I do? I cant see the sub doc till the 9th, and am afraid if I take any other opiate around day 3, when I expect the worst? that it will show up in a drug test. How long before I start to feel really bad, and what can I do? can I take a roxy or something on day 3 to feel better? and if i do will the doc know that I have taken something else besides subs? (its a urine test that he does every single time).. Im really afraid and I know I sound like an awful person, i just had to have money or we would have been without light and power. can anyone help me answer that multitude of questions I just threw out. I really am so scared. I am AWFUL with w/ds. never can take them and they literally slay me. Im so scared. Please anyone out there could you help?
 
Im sorry you're in a horrible situation. However if he is piss testing you, he is piss testing you to make sure you're staying clean. Meaning if Oxy comes up in your system he will know you relapsed. You're best bet is to be slightly honest about the situation. Say you "relapsed" or say you dropped some of your subs on a wet bathroom floor... Your dr might buy that... If you do use the roxi to stave off WD will you be using it to get high or just to not get sick? You should consider your options and perhaps contact your dr. I wish you the best of luck!
 
Loperamide has helped me lower my dose by 70percent instantly..

if you take enough..it will kill the WD
 
How much do you have? Maybe if you posted exactly what you have to get through the next 7 days, someone could help you out with a taper/schedule.

If you take the smallest possible dose just when you start feeling sick, you might be able to squeeze through 'til your appointment. I know that methadone is really forgiving that way. I don't feel good at all, but I can make it an amazingly long time on a fraction (15-20%) of my dose every day. I have a really slow metabolism and I think that helps me out.

I second what Gocards said about lope/Immodium. It definitely helps me stretch my doses.
 
Take some methadone if you think its just a basic drug screen. Methadone needs a different test and its a lot more costly to do
 
Dude just cut your dose in half only dose once a day subs have a 3 day half life also snorting your dose will make using less just as effetive as your normal dose do to increased bioavailibility.
 
Dose reduction, the use of loperamide if need-be, increased dose-spacing, and insufflation in some combination should allow you to make it through those four days without experiencing anything beyond some mild discomfort and perhaps some vague feelings of stress and anxiety - but you will be able to make it through.

Good luck; I sincerely hope that everything works out for you.
 
thank you all sooo much for your replies. Unfortunately, I only have 3 quarters of an 8mg, so I have 6mg total. My Dr. and I discussed the them not ever covering lost or stolen medication, and that if you did not follow the taper you were out of luck, he would not script more. He is kind of a jerk to be honest. Im in and out in 5 minutes usually. but also one of only two docs in this town, and the only one I can afford at all. So, all your replies were very helpful, and Im grateful. Would skipping a day or two be bearable? I have to work, so really want to afford that terrible stage of w/d that comes early on.

But thats what I have left till Thurs. Just the 6mg. (I already snort, cuz someone told me once it was just the same as taking it and wouldnt hurt anything but people frowned on it cuz you are using your old "using behaviors" or something like that). So, for sure immodium, and what would you do with the 6mg? I will have Sat-Wed to get through with that amount. I really was happy to see all the replies.

You guys are quick, AND super smart about subs! I wish I had someone to help support me so I didnt have to worry over paying that doc, but I dont. All the bills and boys needs comes from me. THANK you so much again, and in advance for your replies. If i asked something again taht you guys already answered please forgive me. Im in a mad rush to go to work.
 
P.S. how much would be enough immodium to take to stretch my dose? based on what you suggest I do with the 6mg?
 
ONE more P.S (last one I promise) No, to answer the first responder, I dont want to get high, just not be sub sick. I really dont have any desire to get high anymore, thank goodness :-)
 
You shouldnt even feel the difference if you skip one day. I would hold out until I start to feel the beginning of wd and then sniff 1/4 (2mgs) of sub and it should last at least 24-48hours, plus it will make you feel so much better especially if you are starting to w/d. 8 mgs is kind of a lot anyway so if you drop down to 2 mg insufflated, it is about the same as taking 8 mg sublingual in terms of bioavailibility. Don't stress about it, you should be able to eek by with what you have left.
 
yea i don't really feel skip-days on methadone (not sure how similarly the two last). sounds like you could just start a rapid taper to get you through it. I'd use like 2mg the first day and start cutting that in half day-by-day. Use immodium and benadryl. See if you can't get some benzos to help with the anxiety too. I could think of worse situations, that's for sure. But good luck friend.
 
^ this. And it should be all that bad. You know how long you have to wait so that will actually help you out mentally. It's always a hell of a lot worse when your running out and don't know how long it will be. Skipping days would get you through if you stop snorting it.
 
Thanks again to everyone! You guys are a dang wealth of knowledge, .. Ok, so I should skip tomorrow (i had some today so only 2 quarters left) and then sniff my 2mg Sunday, and then take the last quarter Monday? would that keep me from being really sick?Im just scared crapless of the dreaded w/ds I have heard about that come from subs. Like opiates times ten is what I have read. Also, how much immodium do you think it would take to really help me out.

Like how much per dose. Im a pretty stout gal, 6'1 and about 165 so i just wondered how much. also, Im afraid to take the benzo, even tho I have some Klonopins around because when I go tuesday I have to take a pee test. I can still get the roxies, or perk 10s that I mentioned if I want them, but that would ruin my drug test too, wouldnt it? Like the one poster said that he would be testing to see if there is anything else in my system? so if i took a perk 10, it would show up?

Damn! I hate this whole situation,but I put myself into it, like a moron, but I had no other choice... :-( I dont know what I could take to stop w/d that wont show up on the test... sorry again if I repeat myself. I just want to make sure Im crystal clear on you guys instructions. I REALLY dont and cant afford to get sick. You guys are great.. You really are.. So SMART about this stuff. Thanks again, and in advance. I really appreciate all the help. I REALLY do.
 
Also, Sid.. you said I should STOP snorting it? I was thinking I read into the other posts that snorting would be good? maybe I misunderstood. Thats how i have always dosed, but if its wrong then I shouldnt do it? I mostly snort cuz thats how i have always used, but also cuz I cant stand the taste of them, nor let them sit long enough to do their job.
 
one other note, I may have just lucked into buying one more 8mg.. any new word on what that would bring into the situation? these things are soooo much harder to come by then roxies. I can buy roxies all day long, but get lucky to maybe find one 8mg to buy.. Just wonderd how that would change the situation. Again, you all are fantastic. Im not so smart about tapering, etc but you guys are sooo helping me out. I am in awe :-)
 
Snorting doesn't last as long, the half life is based on taking in sublingually. I've seen some pictures of impacted sinuses that have led me to not want to snort it or anything else, I'm not willing to take the risk. That sucks you had to sell some to pay bills now your having to buy them on the street. If your hoping to get off sub at some point, the sooner you start taking it as a medication the better off you'll be IMO. The addiction to snorting can be as tough to quit as the drugs themselves. My best advice, stop thinking about how much you have, and how long you have to go until your Dr appnt. You'll be fine and will realise you worried yourself sick, literally. With the additional 8mgs you have more than enough.
 
I would skip a day, snort 2mg the next morning, take 2mg sublingually the next morning, and the same the next day.
 
pukingcells wrote:

"so if you drop down to 2 mg insufflated, it is about the same as taking 8 mg sublingual in terms of bioavailibility."

so I was thinking from what he wrote that snorting made it either stronger, or last longer? I get so easily confused with all the info on subs. I really am not wanting to get any high or sneak around and take pills to get high. i was really only asking about roxies to see if it work work on sub withdrawals. but i guess that would be backsliding. I might remember how much I love it,and go back.

I have been on subs since Jan, and read all these horrible stories about how hard it is to come off of. I really am scared, cuz he is tapering me down now. I understand what you mean about the behavior of snorting though. Its so hard for me to break. and when im done with subs, what will I snort? not being funny, but you know what I mean? I hate that I had to sell those pills, but i truly didnt have any other way at that time. My kids need me, and I have to work to support them, and sometimes money just doesnt stretch enough.. subs have saved me in so many ways, liek Im not lying, cheating , stealing, begging for people to front for me when I knew i couldnt pay them back, cuz I couldnt work because I was always either too sick for w/d or too high to care to go. I know that sounds terrible coming from a Mom, but I was so caught up in addiction that began due to back surgeries. I realized "wow, I can be super mom on these things"

I wish I had never taken the first pill. Anyhow.. i was just confused about the two opinions on snorting. You guys really are great to talk to me about this. And im sure as you can tell, Im a natural worry wart with too much anxiety. Im mostly just always afraid of w/ds. esp the sub ones which i have read so much about. Geez, im rambling. thanks as always in advance.. I sincerely appreicate all the advice and comments. I will have the extra pill tomorrow which means I will have about 11mg total. after what I took today.

So whatever you think would be good? will I still need the immodium and all that with the extra pill? and im still curious as to how much immodium is a good solid (no pun intended) dose? I read above that it helps a lot with opiate w/ds. thats pretty cool. how does that work and how much to take to help me along. You all are very patient with me and all my questions and I am glad to have you. Its a great forum.
 
p.s this is ALL great advice, and I am listening to each one of you. thank you :-)
 
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