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IM Ketamine, any info appreciated...

Definitely true. I've also found holes from IM which felt subjectively as "deep" as holes from insufflated to feel much more real. For example, it takes upwards of a gram insufflated (let's say in the space of two hours or less) for me to be tripping hard enough to have OEVs, and even then they're more like extreme distortions of reality, not mental superimpositions. But every single time I've had a moderate k-hole IM dose i've had full-on, fully realistic OEVs, which seem to almost precede the K-hole.
Have you noticed there's much less hangover the next day as well?

In the spirit of harm reduction though, I'll stop the love story right now by saying that while I love IM ketamine I have sworn off needle usage of any kind, period, after fucking my thigh up with an IM injection of zolpidem earlier this week. It really can happen to you. And the shit is painful and tiresome to deal with (doctors, scalpels, waiting rooms, antibiotics, post-ops, etc.).

It just isn't worth it for me, and with hindsight I can't believe my stupidity (although admittedly this probably isn't the weirdest thing I've done on zolpidem).
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You've described it to a tee with this man. So much cleaner, more enjoyable, less messy, and faaar less head spangle after.

I'm not finding it as fiendish either. One more hole this morning and I think I'll save the rest.
 
Yes I did manage it a couple of times but Ketamax isn't the best brand and with the size of barrels I'm using the dose wasn't high enough so I was having to IM myself twice at once (2ml in each leg/200mg in total) even then it was still hit and miss. Nice feeling though.

What I want to know for my next venture is what's the most amount of liquid I can (safely) IM into my thighs? Could I get some 3ml barrels and do one in each leg if necessary? I feel I need about 250-300mg to hole properly even using IM as my ROA.
 
always been curious about IM k, something id love on my deathbed, drift off into a k-hole and never come back! so rockstar, the hole is better from IM compared to a respectable 300mg line? i couldnt go near a needle again, the feeling of it in a vein is terribly uncomfortable i find so IM would probably be worse but maybe not as someone stated once you've pierced, the muscle underneath is less sensitive and less painful whilst i found the opposite for IV.

just be careful RS, like some people have said, you can be scared of needles but still have a needle fixation, maybe this is not so true with IM but i wouldnt muck around with it too much to find out mate :\
 
Yeah mate, much cleaner feeling and less head spangle after. The only problem was my tollerance from all that crystal I battered back in October time was still present, can't even hole off any less than 200mg+ IM which basically with the syringes I had ment IM'ing 2 x 2ml ones at once (one in each leg) then quickly a third 1ml after before I was too fucked. Beautiful though man.

It's not sore, maybe a wee bit uncomfortable asyou push the plunger down though.

I've got another 3 vials on the way and I've got 5ml barrel syringes, they don't do 3ml ones locally. Apparently 5ml is way too much to IM into any muscle but I'll be able to do 2.5ml-3ml (125-150mg) into each thigh at once and properly have the mind dimension type K hole I've been after. Probably 2.5ml in each thigh will be enough.

I'm not really caining it man I've IM'd 2 vials in the past 2 days and sniffed a gram - which I never really even enjoyed compared to IM'ing. Cooked it up too fast and ketamax seems too confusing when sniffed.

Hope this helps, it's certainly worth trying. And like I've already said to crackhead I have no plans to ever IV anything.
 
Thought I'd chip in with some nursing advice.... in terms of how much liquid you can safely IM in one shot, as far as depot meds and vitamin injections the guidelines are no more than 4ml. Also, the one thing that's always put me off IM'ing K is that generally getting hold of vials is a pain for me (not enough good contacts *weep*) and the risk you take of injecting harmful baceria is significant when just dissolving street power into water. You really don't want an abcess mate. IV'ing is actually safer in terms of the sterility of your gear, plenty of white blood cells and constamt motion in your bloodstream, but not so much in a muscle.

If anyone has first hand experience of IM'inmg street powder K I'd like to hear if you even ran into problems. I'm guessing that you're not guaranteed to get an infection every time you IM street stuff or else you'd hear a lot more people warning against it completely - the risks just seem a bit high for me from wha I understand and I'd prefer to enter a hole feeling safe and secure.

Very jealous of you lot getting vials though, I think ketamine is pretty much my favourite drug out there and there's not many left on the 'to-do' list. Something just so magical about ket it's impossible to really describe it. When anyone asks all I can say is that it's the closest thing to actual magic in the world.

Now I REALLY want some.


Bugger.
 
but I'll be able to do 2.5ml-3ml (125-150mg) into each thigh at once and properly have the mind dimension type K hole I've been after. Probably 2.5ml in each thigh will be enough.
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jeez how much do you normally have to sniff to get in da hole?
 
surely wouldn't it be better for you (well your muscles) if you were to concentrate the k, like cook up a vial and rehydrate at like 100mg/1ml so you don't need to pump so much liquid into yerself?
 
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surely wouldn't it be better for you (well your muscles) if you were to concentrate the k, like cook up a vial and rehydrate at like 100mg/1ml so you don't need to pump so much liquid into yerself?
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that's what i'd do,ffs it's all soundin a bit Rambo sat there with a 3ml barrel in each leg.

I'm guessing he's being advised against reducing it down for sterility reasons, possibility of picking up contaminants etc.

I'd def cook it though. Can probably dissolve more than 100mg/ml, i don't know though... you wouldn't even need to cook it completely and rehydrate, just cook it down from whar its at now.
 
Yeah that's what I'm thinking, but is that safe (sterile) I know the vials are. The vials are 50mg/1ml, which means I need to IM 2ml in each leg to hole (which even then sometimes doesn't work.

Should I cook up the vials, and say make it so that it's 100mg/1ml. Then I could just IM 1.5ml in each thigh?

Usually I sniff upwards of 300mg in a line to hole. But ketamax isn't as strong as the crystal I was previously use to which was S-isomer, where ketamax is racemic.

I could IM 3ml in each thing (150mg of K in each leg) is that risky? Should I just cook it up and then get my 300mg dose with less ml of liquid in it? Would this be sterile and safe though?
 
you could cook up one vial, then draw up some liquid from the second vial, then dissolve the cooked first vial in that liquid then squirt that liquid back into the second vial, then your vial would contain 1g instead of 500mg and there wouldn't be too many sterility issues
 
rockstar needs batamine (if it exists)

Lol ... i just heard of a tale that some friends got 'bat' and one bump made you sit on the floor ?
It couldn't have been mxe because it wasnt developed at the time.
Wonder what on earth it was
 
rockstar 69 said:
Very helpful on a harm reduction forum. The quality of the posting round here really has taken a nosedive since the likes of Evad, Carsick etc are no longer around. Let me guess I shouldn't IM cos injecting is bad and ketamine is for horses, right? 8)
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I actually had somebody telling me the other day that he had been taking Tramadol and that it was an intense bull tranquilzer...

also the same person was responsible for telling me that all blue ecstasy pills were infact tripstacy (which i think is a slang word for 2cb which he also agreed on) therefore all the blue pills i have consumed must be 2cb ie. blue hearts, blue crucifixes, blue VCR'S, blue apple macs, blue playstaions etc. and if i belive otherwise then i must be a complete douche.
 
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Rockstar, IMing sterile vials can be done safely but to be sure you really want to use a micron filter. IMing carries a risk of abscess formation that IVing doesn't, unless you miss your IV shot (note - am not saying you should IV your k, haha.. IV k is not a good idea) so you want to make sterility your top priority. You can get microns/wheel filters online really cheaply. Cooking it up is not ideal as it obviously stops being sterile once it is out of the vial, but if you are going to do that then a micron filter would help hugely.

Make sure you go in at 90 degrees, think about whether your needle is long enough to hit your muscle (it should be, but something to consider) and withdraw slightly before you inject to check you've not hit a blood vessel by mistake. Also always sort our your needle quickly so it is safe before you hit the hole!
 
3 ml barrell in each leg pff.

5 ml in yer fem with a gram of heroin n half agram of crack it has worked so well for me n really improved my quality of life :\
 
MailMonkey
that's what i'd do,ffs it's all soundin a bit Rambo sat there with a 3ml barrel in each leg.

I'm guessing he's being advised against reducing it down for sterility reasons, possibility of picking up contaminants etc.
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Aye mate, I agree. I'm not dead keen on having to put 3ml in each side either, cos I'm not sure how much is safe to put in each thigh muscle. It's just that the whole point in this is for a clean as fuck amazing K hole and despite people saying when you IM the doses are lower, I'm not really finding that much. 200mg IM (which is 2ml in each thigh) is not quite holing me. I'm not so sure about recooking it as you said sterality may be a concern there?!

Mugz
you could cook up one vial, then draw up some liquid from the second vial, then dissolve the cooked first vial in that liquid then squirt that liquid back into the second vial, then your vial would contain 1g instead of 500mg and there wouldn't be too many sterility issues
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This is not a bad idea Mugz. Thing is for some reason cooking up the K on the hob seems to make it harsher on the nose and all round not as good as the overnight dry on a dish at the top of the cupboard method. I don't really have time for the later as I want to IM later tonight when I get home from this date I've got.

Also using this idea you've come up with (which is actually decent) how do I get the cooked stuff into the other sterile vial? I'd have to burst the lid off. Once you've done that you can't get it back on. So then I can't take the vial anywhere or leaving sitting about too long.

effie
Rockstar, IMing sterile vials can be done safely but to be sure you really want to use a micron filter. IMing carries a risk of abscess formation that IVing doesn't, unless you miss your IV shot (note - am not saying you should IV your k, haha.. IV k is not a good idea) so you want to make sterility your top priority. You can get microns/wheel filters online really cheaply. Cooking it up is not ideal as it obviously stops being sterile once it is out of the vial, but if you are going to do that then a micron filter would help hugely.

Make sure you go in at 90 degrees, think about whether your needle is long enough to hit your muscle (it should be, but something to consider) and withdraw slightly before you inject to check you've not hit a blood vessel by mistake. Also always sort our your needle quickly so it is safe before you hit the hole!
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Cheers for your contribution effie. I'm fully aware of all this, it's pretty much why I'm very wary of cooking any up and trying to reconcentrate it, seems dodgy. I've got the IM'ing down to a tee at the moment can do it no problem and without worry now. I was tempted by Mugz idea further up in this post, do you reckon that would be safe?

I can't be fucked ordering micron filters and I've heard there will be another brand of K about next week (ketamax for me just isn't the easiest to hole on, the hole doesn't take me on such inner journeys) so I might just wait til then and see if 2ml in each thigh holes me off this other stuff.

Got things to do today so IM'ing 3ml into each leg, I may try at night time but I think recooking is probably not going to be happening for now. Probably just do another 2ml in each this afternoon get that nice headspace and afterglow on for tonight.

Thanks for all the responses people.
 
So your doing 600ml im in a go or have i read this wrong .

Seriously that's a problematic dose mate n you wanna really think about what that's doing to your insides.

You know that it is as well n now your ordering more .
Sounds like the horse has bolted the stable door n it ain't gonna be coming back soon .

Just pointing it out .
 
Ok mate fair do's, won't do that. Instead I will just cook up 1g for later and IM a couple 2ml jobs in the morning with mate.

Cheers for advice Brimz.
 
Order some microns Rockstar, it takes about 30 seconds and you really don't want to be getting an abscess! I'll order you some if needs be ;) 3ml is fine to inject IM if it is sterile, the volume is okay, but if it isn't sterile then the more you inject, the more bacteria-filled liquid there is sitting in your muscle..

Do take care and watch your bladder as well <3
 
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