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Tapering I'm in a world of hell with oxycodone withdrawal. Please help ?

tetert69 said:
Hi oxy, just wanted to share my experience. I withdrew from hydros I while back, and again from strong kratom extracts, and both times the night was the worst.

The severe restlessness and feeling of discomfort and pain in the muscles, combined with severe anxiety and insomnia, is the worst. I would get up and be like okay today is gonna be alright! And once evening/night came it wasn’t all right lol.

Once I laid down in bed it was like my legs and arms would get filled with bees and just ache and want to move. It’s hellish for sure, and in my experience the night was by far worse. It started to calm down maybe night 7 but was still on and off until a few weeks out. Much more manageable after the 7th or 8th night but still present here and there.

I used black seed oil, my doctor prescribed clonidine, I tried to be generally healthy, napped whenever possible, went on walks, ate lots of dark chocolate, 4-6mg loperamide here and there, and just tried to tell myself it would pass.

No permanent damage has been done. You’re gonna get through this, I promise!
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Sorry. I'm not used to this forum and I replied to you but above to someone else ?‍♀️
 
Hang in the buddy, it’s gonna be okay. I understand the anhedonia and the hellish nights but you’re gonna get through it. It’s not forever.

For me, 2 weeks and the nights started getting slowly better, but there were still bad ones here and there for a while after.

You were on a harder drug for a longer time than me, and quit cold turkey, so it’s not surprising it’s taking longer. But it’s not forever! You’ll be feeling better soon and this will have been worth it. Think about it, you’re doing better than a week ago right? You’ll be more than that much better next week, and in two you’ll be thinking damn I can’t believe I was thinking of going back on oxy when the light was this close!
 
I would suggest a slow but steady tapper with your oxy, are your doctors still willing to prescribe it? You could get it to a minimal discomfort if done right and with patience, I could propose a taper schelude if you want

I've done it with oxy and morphine before. But if you want to go this way you'll have to ask for an extended release formulation, more suited for tapers and facilitates once per day dosing
 
morpheuspapaverus said:
I would suggest a slow but steady tapper with your oxy, are your doctors still willing to prescribe it? You could get it to a minimal discomfort if done right and with patience, I could propose a taper schelude if you want

I've done it with oxy and morphine before. But if you want to go this way you'll have to ask for an extended release formulation, more suited for tapers and facilitates once per day dosing
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Since he’s gone 2 weeks do you still think it’d be worth it?

Maybe since you’ve come so far you could try kratom if you need something. And taper that down? That might provide the relief you need without having to go back on the hard stuff.
 
Considering all his pain and how severe are the withdrawal symptoms, it could be viable as a last resort. It would last 7-8 weeks, even more, if you begin at 80mg extended release, you go down till 30 with a drop of 10mg per week, from 30 to 10, you go with 5mg drop per week and from there 2.5mg drop at every 3 days. That's how I did it, although my habit was much larger than 80mg and the taper lasted months, I still went with the 10mg per week drop to 30 to 5 to 2.5 as I described, the discomfort was minimal and all that time gave me some space to accomodate with life sober, if you don't chew snort shoot or plug it and you take it as intended, this method with the er version can be good. It's his choice, he has 2 weeks without oxy but 5 without any opioid and cross tolerance exists with certain opioids.
 
tetert69 said:
Hang in the buddy, it’s gonna be okay. I understand the anhedonia and the hellish nights but you’re gonna get through it. It’s not forever.

For me, 2 weeks and the nights started getting slowly better, but there were still bad ones here and there for a while after.

You were on a harder drug for a longer time than me, and quit cold turkey, so it’s not surprising it’s taking longer. But it’s not forever! You’ll be feeling better soon and this will have been worth it. Think about it, you’re doing better than a week ago right? You’ll be more than that much better next week, and in two you’ll be thinking damn I can’t believe I was thinking of going back on oxy when the light was this close!
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Honestly, your reply got me through yesterday. Everything is better every day in small ways when I think about it. I watched this amazing 14 min Ted talk video from this guy who taowteted quickly on doctors advice and he went through hell. And he tapered. I stupidly quit cold turkey. His video was so relatable. Doctors don't know what to do to help you. I'm not an addict, i was dependent afer two years of prescribed Oxy and morphine. I have begged all doctors for help since I went cold turkey. And each time they said just take the oxy. Here do you want two more boxes at different doses. I was legitimately yesterday offered a box of 56 5 mg and a box of 56 10mg. After I told him I already had close to this at home. And that my severe pain was no longer an issue post op just pain from withdrawal with everything being heightened. I asked him for the klonopin everyone suggested. He said that's too dangerous, can't give you that. I already gave you 5 diazapem. They are so addictive, so no more. I wish I was making this up!! Anyway, I cried and I cried yesterday. I let myself feel miserable. I had some brief moments of clarity.. I went for a walk. I managed to eat. I got some otc antihistamines to help sleep last night. I slept for a few hours. No severe muscle aches last night. Slept on and off for a few hours.. Much better than before. I've been up and drinking coffee since 6am and don't feel like death today. I know it may come and go but today so far is good. Thank you again. Your comment made me check myself and realise things are getting better
 
morpheuspapaverus said:
Considering all his pain and how severe are the withdrawal symptoms, it could be viable as a last resort. It would last 7-8 weeks, even more, if you begin at 80mg extended release, you go down till 30 with a drop of 10mg per week, from 30 to 10, you go with 5mg drop per week and from there 2.5mg drop at every 3 days. That's how I did it, although my habit was much larger than 80mg and the taper lasted months, I still went with the 10mg per week drop to 30 to 5 to 2.5 as I described, the discomfort was minimal and all that time gave me some space to accomodate with life sober, if you don't chew snort shoot or plug it and you take it as intended, this method with the er version can be good. It's his choice, he has 2 weeks without oxy but 5 without any opioid and cross tolerance exists with certain opioids.
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Thank you. I did consider it. I was offered a lot of Oxy from the doctor yesterday. The instant release stuff, not extended. I used to be on the extended. But then got off that thinking the instant stuff was better but tolerance built and was up to 100 to 120mg of that daily sometimes. My pain isn't the pain I've had for the two years thankfully. It's more like what I would describe as rebound pain. Maybe hyperanalgesia even due to not being used to being opiod free. The option is there for me to return to it but today seems much better. So I'm holding out it's going to be better. Thanks so much for your advice..jt makes sense. Cold turkey was damn stupid
 
The IR is not ok for tapering because you have to dose multiple times, if you are better don't do the taper. But for the future if you slip up, there is no shame in it, you can try it out
 
morpheuspapaverus said:
The IR is not ok for tapering because you have to dose multiple times, if you are better don't do the taper. But for the future if you slip up, there is no shame in it, you can try it out
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Thank you. I did do what I thought was a successful one before from the extended one but in actual fact it was just replaced with tapentedol and then ketamine and buprenorphine (the temgesic one, for pain not with the nalaxone). It's a strange feeling not waking up reaching for the pills at the first sign of pain. I know there may be more hell to come but I'm OK today. So far. I will take that as a win
 
Did you abuse them recreationally or only for pain? If you abused them recreationally, it's not over yet, you still got the psychological part to deal with
 
Oh no. They were for intractable pain I had from multiple abdominal surgeries and also injury during surgery. I still have pain but since my last one I feel I can manage. The reason I wanted to stop was because I was becoming depressed due to a lot of other reasons but mostly being physically unwell. And I noticed I started to enjoy taking them a bit more. Took an extra dose here and there. But never took them to get high as such. I mean I still have over 100 of them in my cupboard. I don't want the damn things ever again
 
Oxy creeps up said:
Honestly, your reply got me through yesterday. Everything is better every day in small ways when I think about it. I watched this amazing 14 min Ted talk video from this guy who taowteted quickly on doctors advice and he went through hell. And he tapered. I stupidly quit cold turkey. His video was so relatable. Doctors don't know what to do to help you. I'm not an addict, i was dependent afer two years of prescribed Oxy and morphine. I have begged all doctors for help since I went cold turkey. And each time they said just take the oxy. Here do you want two more boxes at different doses. I was legitimately yesterday offered a box of 56 5 mg and a box of 56 10mg. After I told him I already had close to this at home. And that my severe pain was no longer an issue post op just pain from withdrawal with everything being heightened. I asked him for the klonopin everyone suggested. He said that's too dangerous, can't give you that. I already gave you 5 diazapem. They are so addictive, so no more. I wish I was making this up!! Anyway, I cried and I cried yesterday. I let myself feel miserable. I had some brief moments of clarity.. I went for a walk. I managed to eat. I got some otc antihistamines to help sleep last night. I slept for a few hours. No severe muscle aches last night. Slept on and off for a few hours.. Much better than before. I've been up and drinking coffee since 6am and don't feel like death today. I know it may come and go but today so far is good. Thank you again. Your comment made me check myself and realise things are getting better
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I’m so happy it helped a little! You’re only gonna get better from here. Those moments of clarity will be longer and longer and more frequent. And when you’re not having them it’s gonna seem like you never had them but you just gotta wait it out.

You’re gonna be just fine. It’s one of the toughest things you can do but you’re through the worst! Worst case if you break you can always taper or get on kratom short term. You should be incredibly proud. You’re breaking a horrible physical dependence that many people never break.

It’s terrible you’re doctor has been so unsupportive and so pushing of opioids. My doctor prescribed me Ativan, clonidine and hydroxyzine to break just a kratom dependency, which he highly encouraged me to break. Of course he’s a drug addiction specialist psych but still. That should be the bare minimum a doctor should give. You should try and find a new doctor if you have the means to.

Crying is good, black seed oil is good, exercise, any form of self care, anything that distracts you when you’re at your worst. Just remember it’ll pass. You got this man :)
 
tetert69 said:
I’m so happy it helped a little! You’re only gonna get better from here. Those moments of clarity will be longer and longer and more frequent. And when you’re not having them it’s gonna seem like you never had them but you just gotta wait it out.

You’re gonna be just fine. It’s one of the toughest things you can do but you’re through the worst! Worst case if you break you can always taper or get on kratom short term. You should be incredibly proud. You’re breaking a horrible physical dependence that many people never break.

It’s terrible you’re doctor has been so unsupportive and so pushing of opioids. My doctor prescribed me Ativan, clonidine and hydroxyzine to break just a kratom dependency, which he highly encouraged me to break. Of course he’s a drug addiction specialist psych but still. That should be the bare minimum a doctor should give. You should try and find a new doctor if you have the means to.

Crying is good, black seed oil is good, exercise, any form of self care, anything that distracts you when you’re at your worst. Just remember it’ll pass. You got this man :)
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Thank you. I do feel much better today. Oddly getting sniffles again and body feels like lead sometimes but then it's OK. I went for a long walk yesterday and everything felt brighter and better. I had an unfortunate flare up of pain which may have been withdrawal stomach cramps but I'm not sure. It was so severe I had to sit and breathe on the ground and genuinely contemplated an ambulance it was so bad. But it passed. I had some paracetamol and an ice pack when I got home. Rough nights sleep again but no severe muscle spasms. Just waking every half hour and some crazy dreams. I don't think I'd ever ever go back no matter how bad my pain may get again. It's too scary how the oxy creeps up. How easy it is to take one for pain and forget about it. Then have more pain and take more withlit exhausting alternatives. I have a holiday booked in 3 weeks. It's been booked for a year. I am hoping I will be OK by then. If not, at least I can be miserable in paradise. Thanks again you've helped so much. Everyone has. It really has gotten me through it. I watched a movie last night about a guy coming off heroin. It took him 3 days and he looked like a supermodel after. If only it were so easy ?
 
Kratom, im 22 days off Suboxone wuth just kratom
(Red Bali, green maeng da, white maeng da)
 
Kratom, specifically red Kratom
Red Bali works quickly and is strong
Red Sumatra lasts longer so you need less
 
tetert69 said:
Since he’s gone 2 weeks do you still think it’d be worth it?

Maybe since you’ve come so far you could try kratom if you need something. And taper that down? That might provide the relief you need without having to go back on the hard stuff.
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That would actually be my exact advice, I got off of 16 years of 100-mg of methadone a day within a month with Kratom!! Dose at a high range (everyone has a different reaction to Kratom so always start LOW) 7grams was my magic number to keep withdrawal at Bay, I did that 2x a day, morning and evening for 2 weeks then I started a slow taper (.5 grams every 2-3 days) when I was done I felt ok coming off. Mentally of course your a little tweeky for a couple days but for me it was like I was on speed because I spent so long just in a methadone haze
 
Can we please just relax ?

I've edited the posts to remove the personal contact info. Let's just concentrate on helping each other, not acting out.

Thanks
 
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