Tapering I'm in a world of hell with oxycodone withdrawal. Please help ?

[Oxy creeps up]

The thing with our gp’s they have forgot what it is like to be thinking outside of the box, have authority and use it, or have time to think of us other than a number on today’s “patient” list.

Like you my Gastro consultant is confident to supply whatever I need, he would more than likely supply benzos if he agrees I need them. The only good thing there is, the gp then has to obey it.

50mg Oxy MR? 40 and a 10?
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Oddly enough, 2 20"s and a 10. I was prescribed 40mg longtec but in the form of 20s and the 10s were to increase if I needed. I am so over feeling this way. I truly do regret not tapering. It was idiotic. I just assumed I could do it. Didn't realise 7 days later I would still be in a world of hell. If I could just sleep it would make it so so much easier!

So glad you have a good specialist. Makes such a difference

 

[Speed King]

Thank you. I didn't use it last night. I want to be clear of it all. I can't ask for any of those meds you described. My pain team have instructed I am only prescribed oxycodone in whatever dosage I see fit for the level of my pain. So they won't give me anything else. I'm going to try a few things suggested here that I can access. I can't smoke cannabis. Makes me so so paranoid. I have tried smoking a pure cbd joint and that actually helped my body sensations.

Thanks so much for your advice. I'm so glad you got off them

Use this trick that works with diazepam. Methadone will be technically n your system in a week. If you ache, play the long half life game. Let your body know that it is still technically wearing off. Ride that wave mentally. The placebo effect can keep you pain free for longer. Same with diazepam. I am not at liberty to explain that, but that stuff is in your body after you stop. So let your mind ride the wave out, you follow me?


I am not pushing cannabis, but there are many different strains. I have had stuff that was one hit quit, that made me slightly anxious, but for instance, I had dispensary medicinal weed that got you going, but it was a primarily indica plant. Very relaxing. There have been leaps and bounds in cannabis extracts and strains.

Don't give up on a plant that has so many benefits. I respect your wishes of course, but they have a strain called Green Crack. It is like a pure sativa. You may not like that. Easier to get paranoid. That have indica strains that will knock you on your ass. They are heavy relaxing strains. Don't make a big deal or focus on it either. I can't imagine a small puff of herb just makes you paranoid. If ou sit there and think about the effects the entire time you are coming up, well you may be paranoid.

Spend five minutes learning the different types of strains. A glass tobacco use only "tobacco pipe. is perfect for taking the tiniest ht you want. Don't muff out, but take one small controlled puff will reintroduce cannabis to you safely.

I am pushing it, because he right strain can make you pain free, mellow and jello feeling. Just forget what you knew and consider trying it.

It is too bad they don't use ketamine for pain over there. That will actually dial our pain receptors back over time. I know all of this from personal experience.


Oh yeah, benzos and opiates kill people. We can handle our shit, but other people will mix the two and die from breathing issues or what have you. Unless necessary, your better off without them. This thread is on now, so others should weigh in.


Honestly, the I have a pain, take a Percocet (US) 5/325, 5 mg Oxycodone / 325 APAP, works short term or breakthrough pain. They can be a bitch withdrawing.
Your doctor can do much better on opiates/opioids.

You are UK right?

 

[Oxy creeps up]

Use this trick that works with diazepam. Methadone will be technically n your system in a week. If you ache, play the long half life game. Let your body know that it is still technically wearing off. Ride that wave mentally. The placebo effect can keep you pain free for longer. Same with diazepam. I am not at liberty to explain that, but that stuff is in your body after you stop. So let your mind ride the wave out, you follow me?


I am not pushing cannabis, but there are many different strains. I have had stuff that was one hit quit, that made me slightly anxious, but for instance, I had dispensary medicinal weed that got you going, but it was a primarily indica plant. Very relaxing. There have been leaps and bounds in cannabis extracts and strains.

Don't give up on a plant that has so many benefits. I respect your wishes of course, but they have a strain called Green Crack. It is like a pure sativa. You may not like that. Easier to get paranoid. That have indica strains that will knock you on your ass. They are heavy relaxing strains. Don't make a big deal or focus on it either. I can't imagine a small puff of herb just makes you paranoid. If ou sit there and think about the effects the entire time you are coming up, well you may be paranoid.

Spend five minutes learning the different types of strains. A glass tobacco use only "tobacco pipe. is perfect for taking the tiniest ht you want. Don't muff out, but take one small controlled puff will reintroduce cannabis to you safely.

I am pushing it, because he right strain can make you pain free, mellow and jello feeling. Just forget what you knew and consider trying it.

It is too bad they don't use ketamine for pain over there. That will actually dial our pain receptors back over time. I know all of this from personal experience.


Oh yeah, benzos and opiates kill people. We can handle our shit, but other people will mix the two and die from breathing issues or what have you. Unless necessary, your better off without them. This thread is on now, so others should weigh in.


Honestly, the I have a pain, take a Percocet (US) 5/325, 5 mg Oxycodone / 325 APAP, works short term or breakthrough pain. They can be a bitch withdrawing.
Your doctor can do much better on opiates/opioids.

You are UK right?

Yes in the UK. So there's no way as far as I know to find out what strains are available as it's completely illegal.

Ketanone was great for my pain in Australia. I would have infusions in hospital and then take home ones that dissolved in my cheek. Amazing. Never used anything else. They are so far behind in the UK with pain management. They were horrified aboit the ketamine. Even the methadone which was prescribed as 10mg tablets but only half am and pm for chronic pain, not acute.

When I mentioned the methadone here they thought I was on an Mat program for heroin addiction.

Excuse my ignorance but:the 5mg of methadone will be in my system for a week?

 

[Oxy creeps up]

Yes in the UK. So there's no way as far as I know to find out what strains are available as it's completely illegal.

Ketanone was great for my pain in Australia. I would have infusions in hospital and then take home ones that dissolved in my cheek. Amazing. Never used anything else. They are so far behind in the UK with pain management. They were horrified aboit the ketamine. Even the methadone which was prescribed as 10mg tablets but only half am and pm for chronic pain, not acute.

When I mentioned the methadone here they thought I was on an Mat program for heroin addiction.

Excuse my ignorance but:the 5mg of methadone will be in my system for a week?

Sorry, ketamine

 

[Speed King]

Cross the English Channel and learn anything about cannabis in Amsterdam. Shit I wish I lived there. Hopefully you can visit. Go up to a bud tender and tell them everything you mentioned. They are not doctors, but they will set you up with the correct strain to try. You say I need something that is relaxing and has muscle relaxing effects. I am assuming they will name every concentrate known to man related to what you are looking for.

You can litterly get a full education over there.

By the way, when the occasional person gets too high (I never thought Amsterdam of all places) The main thing they tell people is eat something sweet.


Last thing. The best thing I have had were called beginner dose packs. In Colorado the maximum a package can have is 100 mg THC.
That could be a candy bar or 10 pieces of candy. Just to show you how much you actually can get by with, 5 mg is a common dose for appetite stimulation in people who need it. I had a tolerance, so I took 20 mg. I was clearly blazed, but not overly so. Subjectively, I felt like I was on a strong cannabis version of
Clonazepam. Then with a decent blood level present, I ate 70 mg. That put me in bed plenty high as fuck.

The point. You have multitudes of choices and can start as low as you want and build up. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it

 

[jb99]

@Speed King wow hehe I'm on day 5 sober and that sure has me wanting to medicate

Unfortunately I've tried over and over to stick with just pot, but every time eventually I slip up and have alcohol, then I'm off to the races and eventually black out drunk. It's unfortunate.

Best of luck, Oxy.

 

[Rio Fantastic]

speed king, you're obsessed with pushing weed. the guy said it makes him anxious and we don't have the luxury here in the UK of being able to walk into a dispensary and choose from multiple strains. We are lucky if any given weed dealer has more than one strain, and since OP doesn't smoke weed and all the drugs he references he gets from a pharmacy, I doubt he even has the connections to get a weed dealer with more than one strain. He's not going to fly out to Amsterdam or Colorado to try and get a different variety of a drug that he finds unpleasant because it's helpful for you. Come on, man. Let's be realists here.

OP, have you considered asking the doctor for gabapentin? It can be an enormous help in getting over withdrawals and can be effective for pain in its own right. I also have found weed to be unpleasant ever since it "turned" on me when I was 20, but if I have plenty of gabapentin then withdrawal becomes infinitely more manageable and bearable. A lot of people use it wrong - you have to stagger the doses since the body can only absorb some at a time, but if you take a 300mg capsule every 20-30 minutes and literally just repeat until you feel it kick in I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how much better you feel.

 

[Crowsonator2008]

Have you tried a Kratom+Gabapentin conbo.Thats great for withdrawals and anxiety...

 

[Speed King]

@Speed King wow hehe I'm on day 5 sober and that sure has me wanting to medicate

Unfortunately I've tried over and over to stick with just pot, but every time eventually I slip up and have alcohol, then I'm off to the races and eventually black out drunk. It's unfortunate.

Best of luck, Oxy.

Address the alcohol issue. I used to get cross faded years ago, Not my cup of tea. Weed. helps establish a baseline. I noticed I really dislike alcohol and would rather smoke. Idk where you are with alcohol, but with time and work you can get over it. Eventually your brain will not be interested.

speed king, you're obsessed with pushing weed. the guy said it makes him anxious and we don't have the luxury here in the UK of being able to walk into a dispensary and choose from multiple strains. We are lucky if any given weed dealer has more than one strain, and since OP doesn't smoke weed and all the drugs he references he gets from a pharmacy, I doubt he even has the connections to get a weed dealer with more than one strain. He's not going to fly out to Amsterdam or Colorado to try and get a different variety of a drug that he finds unpleasant because it's helpful for you. Come on, man. Let's be realists here

OP, have you considered asking the doctor for gabapentin? It can be an enormous help in getting over withdrawals and can be effective for pain in its own right. I also have found weed to be unpleasant ever since it "turned" on me when I was 20, but if I have plenty of gabapentin then withdrawal becomes infinitely more manageable and bearable. A lot of people use it wrong - you have to stagger the doses since the body can only absorb some at a time, but if you take a 300mg capsule every 20-30 minutes and literally just repeat until you feel it kick in I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how much better you feel.

I am obsessed for myself. It in't my fault it agrees with me.I had medicinal. stoped severe pain. I didn't know folks would not get where I was coming from. There is part of my reason for always suggesting it. Rio, argue with me. I am not going OT here, but I'll post in cannabis discussion. My point is I believe you can relearn how to use something. That is mainly why I suggest not to give up. A person could have had a bad experience with the wrong amount, the wrong...
The brain can be taught how to re visit a substance at a different time and sometimes have a entirely different experience. that is quite funny suggesting flying to Amsterdam or Colorado. Isn't OP British? you cross the channel and your in Amsterdam . You don't have to go anywhere special to learn.

Don't bother trying to overcomplicate things. Fine, OP put a pin in it and if the day should ever arise, things may be different.

Yeah on the Gabapentin. If you get dialed in, you could push that from 20-30 min to 1-1.5 hrs. Eventually cut the 300 mg capsule in half or thirds. I want to try that. It is certainly a challenge that would take time, but it would be great. The 300 mg are common. Good medicine.

 

[Oxy creeps up]

Guys. Is this night time hell normal? The days are horrible but manageable. The nights. Oh. If I get one hour sleep I wake up and my whole body is so so uncomfortable I have to stretch and move and shake it out. I cannot lay still. Sit still. Can't do anything except rock back and forth sitting up or on my hands and knees. If I hadn't had some diazepam I would have been awake all night. I'm 8 days post last dose. Cold Turkey off high dose Oxy. 4 days off all codeine. I thought this would be done. Have I don't serious long term damage? And does anyone know what I mean when I describe these sensations at night!?

 

[Crowsonator2008]

Guys. Is this night time hell normal? The days are horrible but manageable. The nights. Oh. If I get one hour sleep I wake up and my whole body is so so uncomfortable I have to stretch and move and shake it out. I cannot lay still. Sit still. Can't do anything except rock back and forth sitting up or on my hands and knees. If I hadn't had some diazepam I would have been awake all night. I'm 8 days post last dose. Cold Turkey off high dose Oxy. 4 days off all codeine. I thought this would be done. Have I don't serious long term damage? And does anyone know what I mean when I describe these sensations at night!?

Sounds like your just so use to not having to deal with your anxiety.Oxicodone destroys anxiety but yea you need to ask your doc about gabapentin it will help alot.Ask for the 800 mg docs are usually happy to prescribe it.

 

[somnilicious]

Let me know how the black seed oil works for you. Someone else on here to whom i recommended it told me that it very effective potentiator of oxycodone. I know firsthand that its effective for opioid withdrawal, works especially well for the restlessness and akathisia.

Have you used it as a mood stabilizer during the PAWS phase, to simply reduce cravings, the severity of PAWS and general well being? I'm interested in it's trying it out for these purposes.

 

[negrogesic]

Have you used it as a mood stabilizer during the PAWS phase, to simply reduce cravings, the severity of PAWS and general well being? I'm interested in it's trying it out for these purposes.

Yes. This is also probably the best use for it. Id recommend healths harmony brand capsules (available on amazon). Its very inexpensive and worth a shot. Its excellent at reducing cravings. When you have a craving, just pop a black seed oil capsule. Please report back after youve tried it.

@Oxy creeps up did you try the black seed oil? If so, was it not able to help much (ive never tried it for more severe withdrawal)? It may not help severe withdrawal symptoms that much...

 

[Rio Fantastic]

Address the alcohol issue. I used to get cross faded years ago, Not my cup of tea. Weed. helps establish a baseline. I noticed I really dislike alcohol and would rather smoke. Idk where you are with alcohol, but with time and work you can get over it. Eventually your brain will not be interested.



I am obsessed for myself. It in't my fault it agrees with me.I had medicinal. stoped severe pain. I didn't know folks would not get where I was coming from. There is part of my reason for always suggesting it. Rio, argue with me. I am not going OT here, but I'll post in cannabis discussion. My point is I believe you can relearn how to use something. That is mainly why I suggest not to give up. A person could have had a bad experience with the wrong amount, the wrong...
The brain can be taught how to re visit a substance at a different time and sometimes have a entirely different experience. that is quite funny suggesting flying to Amsterdam or Colorado. Isn't OP British? you cross the channel and your in Amsterdam . You don't have to go anywhere special to learn.

Don't bother trying to overcomplicate things. Fine, OP put a pin in it and if the day should ever arise, things may be different.

Yeah on the Gabapentin. If you get dialed in, you could push that from 20-30 min to 1-1.5 hrs. Eventually cut the 300 mg capsule in half or thirds. I want to try that. It is certainly a challenge that would take time, but it would be great. The 300 mg are common. Good medicine.

I hope you're right, buddy. Like I said, I can relate to OP with weed, and I speak from experience. I used to LOVE weed. I spent most of my life from 16 - 19 trying to be high all the time. After my first episode of depression, weed turned on me. It put me into a really hellish mindset with overwhelming depression, darkness, self-reproach. It made me feel brain-dead and retarded with an overlay of what felt like an acid trip gone south, psychedelic in the worst way imaginable. Since that time I've tried it a few times, and had one positive experience to 8 similarly horrible ones. I hope I could try it again and learn to love it again, but I don't want to risk that headspace again, especially in early recovery. It was awful, and it's difficult to describe to someone who's never been through it.

anyway OP - you have NOT done serious long-term damage. Opiates don't "damage" your system - your brain & body get habituated to it, but the changes it's made (which are agonizingly being corrected now, which is what's causing the discomfort) are reversible. You will heal. I'd bet my life that within a few days you will be feeling a noticeable improvement, and within a week you will only have the psychological symptoms and the insomnia to deal with. Persist. You will get through this.

 

[tetert69]

Guys. Is this night time hell normal? The days are horrible but manageable. The nights. Oh. If I get one hour sleep I wake up and my whole body is so so uncomfortable I have to stretch and move and shake it out. I cannot lay still. Sit still. Can't do anything except rock back and forth sitting up or on my hands and knees. If I hadn't had some diazepam I would have been awake all night. I'm 8 days post last dose. Cold Turkey off high dose Oxy. 4 days off all codeine. I thought this would be done. Have I don't serious long term damage? And does anyone know what I mean when I describe these sensations at night!?

Hi oxy, just wanted to share my experience. I withdrew from hydros I while back, and again from strong kratom extracts, and both times the night was the worst.

The severe restlessness and feeling of discomfort and pain in the muscles, combined with severe anxiety and insomnia, is the worst. I would get up and be like okay today is gonna be alright! And once evening/night came it wasn’t all right lol.

Once I laid down in bed it was like my legs and arms would get filled with bees and just ache and want to move. It’s hellish for sure, and in my experience the night was by far worse. It started to calm down maybe night 7 but was still on and off until a few weeks out. Much more manageable after the 7th or 8th night but still present here and there.

I used black seed oil, my doctor prescribed clonidine, I tried to be generally healthy, napped whenever possible, went on walks, ate lots of dark chocolate, 4-6mg loperamide here and there, and just tried to tell myself it would pass.

No permanent damage has been done. You’re gonna get through this, I promise!

 

[Speed King]

hope you're right, buddy. Like I said, I can relate to OP with weed, and I speak from experience. I used to LOVE weed. I spent most of my life from 16 - 19 trying to be high all the time. After my first episode of depression, weed turned on me. It put me into a really hellish mindset with overwhelming depression, darkness, self-reproach. It made me feel brain-dead and retarded with an overlay of what felt like an acid trip gone south, psychedelic in the worst way imaginable. Since that time I've tried it a few times, and had one positive experience to 8 similarly horrible ones. I hope I could try it again and learn to love it again, but I don't want to risk that headspace again, especially in early recovery. It was awful, and it's difficult to describe to someone who's never been through it.-Rio Fantastic



Speed King:
I agree with this. This is food for another thread, but I meant it in the most basic way. I agree. It is not for all people. Some should never touch it. I recommend cannabis in situations like it helps pain and may stop the persons need for pain medicine. Thanks for opening a disclaimer up, along with Egzozet.

 

[Oxy creeps up]

I hope you're right, buddy. Like I said, I can relate to OP with weed, and I speak from experience. I used to LOVE weed. I spent most of my life from 16 - 19 trying to be high all the time. After my first episode of depression, weed turned on me. It put me into a really hellish mindset with overwhelming depression, darkness, self-reproach. It made me feel brain-dead and retarded with an overlay of what felt like an acid trip gone south, psychedelic in the worst way imaginable. Since that time I've tried it a few times, and had one positive experience to 8 similarly horrible ones. I hope I could try it again and learn to love it again, but I don't want to risk that headspace again, especially in early recovery. It was awful, and it's difficult to describe to someone who's never been through it.

anyway OP - you have NOT done serious long-term damage. Opiates don't "damage" your system - your brain & body get habituated to it, but the changes it's made (which are agonizingly being corrected now, which is what's causing the discomfort) are reversible. You will heal. I'd bet my life that within a few days you will be feeling a noticeable improvement, and within a week you will only have the psychological symptoms and the insomnia to deal with. Persist. You will get through this.

Hello,

Thank you so much. I had a rough weekend. But wow I slept last night. Properly slept with the help of an otc antihistamine. These hadn't helped before. I also had to take some propranolol for migraine prevention as these have helped before. I don't know if it was the combination of all of this but I feel relatively normal today. I won't hold my breath but damn that sleep has stopped my skin feeling like it's crawling. I'm 9 days off oxycodone. 5 days I think off codiene. My mind feels cleared. I have no cravings. My pain is minimal. I've had some paracetamol and that's it. Thank you all so so so so much. I genuinely thought I had destroyed by brain by ceasing so quickly. My freaking doctor called me this morning and said if I was still having bad symptoms he was still happy to prescribe more oxycodone. NEVER again. Thank all. So much appreciation. I've been using the black seed oil too. Definitely feeling so much better

 

[Oxy creeps up]

Hi oxy, just wanted to share my experience. I withdrew from hydros I while back, and again from strong kratom extracts, and both times the night was the worst.

The severe restlessness and feeling of discomfort and pain in the muscles, combined with severe anxiety and insomnia, is the worst. I would get up and be like okay today is gonna be alright! And once evening/night came it wasn’t all right lol.

Once I laid down in bed it was like my legs and arms would get filled with bees and just ache and want to move. It’s hellish for sure, and in my experience the night was by far worse. It started to calm down maybe night 7 but was still on and off until a few weeks out. Much more manageable after the 7th or 8th night but still present here and there.

I used black seed oil, my doctor prescribed clonidine, I tried to be generally healthy, napped whenever possible, went on walks, ate lots of dark chocolate, 4-6mg loperamide here and there, and just tried to tell myself it would pass.

No permanent damage has been done. You’re gonna get through this, I promise!

Yes! You described it perfectly. The sensations at night were the absolute worst. I asked for clonidine and was told absolutely no way. We don't prescribe that here. But here have some Oxy. Those bodily sensations are horrendous. Absolutely hell. Thank you for sharing. And for the hope you have given me.

 

[Oxy creeps up]

So I'm nearly two weeks off them now. The clarity I felt has turned to just unrelenting emptiness. I feel everything and nothing. I have zero energy. No desire to do anything. I have stopped with diazapem as they were only helpful during the bad physical side of things. I hope this depression lifts soon. It's making me feel like I should just re start. My pain is at a 7. Using paracetamol today. Damn I am over it all.. Complele and utter anehdonia

 

[Oxy creeps up]

Yes! You described it perfectly. The sensations at night were the absolute worst. I asked for clonidine and was told absolutely no way. We don't prescribe that here. But here have some Oxy. Those bodily sensations are horrendous. Absolutely hell. Thank you for sharing. And for the hope you have given me.

This is what's happening now. I stopped taking diazapem and the night time is so bad. I am so restless at night. I feel like my skin is crawling. Aftwr almost 2 weeks I thought it would be done. It's certainly not like the movies. Is clonidine addictive or seen as dangerous by doctors? I think mine may lose his mind if I ask him for one more thing. I can manage the days just fine aside from depression but these nights are torture. Sleep evades me. I feel like I need to move and stretch muscles constantly. I have a great sleep hygiene. I don't have screen time at night. A calming room. I read a book. I take a walk. I do everything possible and yet here I am at 1am. I had my alarm set for a 5 am gym session. Not so sure that's going to happen. My body feels like it's on fire. When did the nights ease for you?