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I'm going to invent a new written language!!!

I really truly admire the creative thought that's gone into this and as you say it's a hobby, and far better to have a hobby involving deep thought and invention instead of passive consumption of things. I do think you've been swept away by the excitement a bit, though, and presented it in an overly grandiose way which is why people are taking the piss. It is an interesting project but announcing it and your hopes for it in public was always going to get you a bit of stick in EADD!

On another note I think your 'yes' and 'no' are a bit easy to confuse. If you start writing rapidly in this language then you will probably find that subtleties like that cause ambiguity when handwritten.
 
Rockstar.. was your suggesting that I would fan Mugzys ego rather than give my own opinion which must of course be the same as yours, a scathe ? Is that the best you can do? Please give future scathes more thought in the future.
 
Have you been taking a lot of speed recently Mugz? Over a prolonged period?

I suppose I should post up a few of my Star Wars snowflakes up in return for that :D

Which one of us the biggest timewaster?
neither of you <3

both pass times are equally fucking ace and valid.
 
The very first picture is a symbol that basically is about life and death and how they can meet in the middle, also about polar extremes and finding balance at the center, the peaks and troughs represent happiness and sadness, fear and love, and the extreme end points represent hope on one side and being lost on the other side.

That is just one of the 12 main symbols that I have so far, so there isn't much that I can do with just that one symbol in the language. Although with the joining symbols you can see that many sentences can be formed as long as they pretty basic and are based on the main principals and meanings within the symbol.

When I create the meanings for the other 11 symbols it will be much easier to create sentences with a larger variety of words. It is obviously going to be a slow project and will take a lot of time to make it work with all 11 symbols as the more words and variations there are the more complex it is going to be to keep it understandable within the basic ruleset of the language.

How do you say: 'I want to travel at 90 miles per hour in 3rd gear'?

It is likely that I will have a symbol that is going to have words relating to travel inside it, and one relating to time. So it would likely be possible to get something pretty close to that when I have done some more work. I haven't thought too much about numerical symbols or numbers, which I guess is something that I really need to consider to make it work. I don't want to use basic number, I will most likely create a symbol that can show numbers in an pictograph type form, just as I have done with the words.

I really truly admire the creative thought that's gone into this and as you say it's a hobby, and far better to have a hobby involving deep thought and invention instead of passive consumption of things. I do think you've been swept away by the excitement a bit, though, and presented it in an overly grandiose way which is why people are taking the piss. It is an interesting project but announcing it and your hopes for it in public was always going to get you a bit of stick in EADD!

On another note I think your 'yes' and 'no' are a bit easy to confuse. If you start writing rapidly in this language then you will probably find that subtleties like that cause ambiguity when handwritten.

Thanks for the compliment and also for the comment about 'yes' and 'no' I don't think that they are too hard to confuse, they are basically semi circles, one is upside down though.

I've been informed that the symbol that means was and wasn't could get confusing, but there is kind of a rule there that it would be preceded by either the yes or no symbol in the sentence to show which word was meant. You could easily draw the two phrases below without even using the main symbol, just using the joining symbols and it would easy to tell which meant which. Give it a go ;)

Yes it was me.

No it wasn't me

I'll go into detail more about word order later on, but it is meant to be as simple as possible with regards to word order in traditional languages, such as the differences between us and the french. Am hoping that by just using the symbols so that they make sense the meaning behind what was drawn/written will be easily determined.
 
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What's the name of this new language?

Mugobian?

Cornish is dead so I might aswell learn this new language.
I could teach the yokels and it'll slowly spread northward....

The name is yet to be determined, it will come to me though, as did the symbols. Not really thought about it yet though. I think it would be mightily egotistical to name it after myself or any of my online usernames. I would ideally like to create a symbol for the name of the language and for that symbol to also be able to be spoken so people could tell of the language. Still yet to think of the name though.

All in time.
 
so with the trough of depression comes love
and from the peak of fear comes happiness

Is that correct?
 
just stay the fuck out of the thread if you have nothing to add

Fuck right off you. I've got plenty to add. I'm adding the fact that I think you've went slightly mental & I'll post in this thread if I want. So get it up ye.

And do you really want everyone cooing and telling you what a great idea it is, even when it isn't? Surely it's worse to be patronised...

Nail, head n that.

it's weird that people are so scathing. I can understand taking the piss, well if it's done with some decent lolz attached to it. nowt wrong with that if it gets a laugh

but scathing about something so kooky and positive baffles me.

like I said, Grant Morrison and a number of other of cool peeps have alluded to doing this kinda thing for years.

lack of abstract thought maybe makes people assume it's just a childish idea so that's why maybe it's easier to just auto-default to ridicule?
or the likelihood that the project gets abandoned midway through makes them think it's pointless?
but who gives a fuck about that really. tis the journey that matters etc. maybe the naysayers aren't journey peoples.
blargh. just musing

I heart the idea Mugz. s'10 times better than zoning out in front of COD4 for hours, or getting leathered and headbutting or kicking in shop windows fer kicks

I think the fact that this is 1. clearly a bit mental & 2. coming from Mugabe, who I 100% guarantee will not see this through to any logical conclusion whatsoever is what is making certain people (such as myself, oh what a horrible cunt I am) think this is childish & stupid.

ok, well I have some symbols to show you.. I have am uploading only the symbols that I have given meaning for so far and then 4 short sentences that have been made using the symbols.

This was the first symbol that I created. The writing isn't too clear for the descriptions, the symbol is the bit in the sharpie pen, the english is the descriptions. The dot in the middle means either balance or peace depending on context. I think the rest is readable.
(haha, the captcha message to be able to upload this last picture was "gone dolally" 8) hehe )
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These are the symbols that I created after the original 12, questions words and other necessary words. There will be more necessary symbols that I need to create but this is the start. They allow me to form some basic questions and sentences.
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Here are four short sentences that I made using the symbols and the rules. I should add that the symbol that is just a straight line is meant to represent the word that is associated with that part of the main symbol. Forgot to put that in the rules, will update soon.
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Using even just those symbols a lot of sentences can be written. I'll update with the other 11 main symbols when I have given the parts of them meanings.


That is what I have so far, will work on the other symbols a bit more tonight. Try and broaden the language somewhat more, so many more things can be written using the symbols and the rules of the language.

As I asked earlier but you conveniently missed it, you are aware that you will need a symbol for every single noun, yes?

How would I use your language to write "James, please fetch me some ham from the fridge, it's next to the mustard. No, not the chicken, the ham, the smoked ham. Get me some bread while you're at it. Put that together into a sandwich while I open the door to go outside for a cigarette. Got a lighter?"

You need to understand that it would take hundreds, if not thousands of years for a language to develop to the stage where it is actually usable.

I know I'm being a cunt, but I'm not being a cunt just for the sake of it or for my own sick amusement (even though this is amusing me), I'm being a cunt to try & make you see the absurdity of this.
 
that is slightly correct as the tough of depression and love are at the bottom of the symbol, and the peak of fear and happiness are at the top.

It is kind of meant to represent our conscousness coming in from both sides at once to eventually find peace and balance but having to pass through the other stages along the way, with some people staying in one or two of the stages and not moving forwards. The centre, the dot in the middle is the lifes goal, peace and balance in life.
 
Written Chinese kind of works like that, with pictograms combining to make new words. For example, as far as I remember, 'Ink' is a combination of 'chimney breast (ie soot)' 'clay' and 'water' which is what they used to make ink out of.
I can't confirm those two words, however...

...the individual brushstrokes that make up both of those two pictographic concepts reflect the tonal syllables of the words.

The Chinese written language is a series of logos whose construction is based on the syllables of the spoken language.
 
that's because your mind is trained to seek out those phrases amongst the masses of words which probaby contain a fountain of positive words too. You are just a negative person who has to put people down to feel good about yoursellf. I don't mind that. That is who you are, but I wouldn't want to be you or anyone like you.
 
Mugz do you really think you're gonna get far with this? Like really think you could get to a point where two people could have a conversation using just a sketchpad and a crayon and snailmail?

Crackheed's point about nouns is so important, but you keep ignoring it.

Also, you are simply trying to codify English, it's in no way an international language, you already have symbols for auxiliary verbs, which are unnecessary in a lot of languages, and you will be sticking to English grammar and structure.

You're attempting to write a basic code, but not a secret cypher, or a language.

It really is ABSURD, and bizarre.

If you're having fun with it , then, yeah, WAHEYYYYY.... <3 Really. But stop expecting people to take you seriously, in the setting into which you introduced the subject.

To me it seems like a very stoned comedown conversation gone too far.
 
Mugz do you really think you're gonna get far with this? Like really think you could get to a point where two people could have a conversation using just a sketchpad and a crayon and snailmail?

Crackheed's point about nouns is so important, but you keep ignoring it.

Also, you are simply trying to codify English, it's in no way an international language, you already have symbols for auxiliary verbs, which are unnecessary in a lot of languages, and you will be sticking to English grammar and structure.

You're attempting to write a basic code, but not a secret cypher, or a language.

It really is ABSURD, and bizarre.

If you're having fun with it , then, yeah, WAHEYYYYY.... <3 Really. But stop expecting people to take you seriously, in the setting into which you introduced the subject.

To me it seems like a very stoned comedown conversation gone too far.

My thoughts exactly. Mugz, while I think this is an interesting idea and I give you props for going this far with it...the points made by other posters are completely legitimate. You are throwing away the notion that grammar systems besides the one used by English exist. In fact, you're basing your grammar system off that of a language that is pretty hard to learn and speak correctly. Why not use a simpler language as your "basis" (I still believe you are indeed creating a cipher system - not a language - but call it what you want) language, like, Latin? Or even one of the Romance Languages that are in use today? Why not Japanese?

Do you see my point?
 
any suggestions then to make it less based on english. I have tried my best based on what I know about linguistics, but I don't know too much. I will need some help in creating the structure of the language that will make it totally different and not a cipher for english. You do know that pretty much all of the words and phrases I have created so far can also be translated into a variety of languages too though don't you. I';m just using english to demonstrate the translations as I am english, grew up learning it and don't know too much different.

The purpose of this thread was to ask for help in these matters, not just ridicule.
 
I feel like you're asking the wrong people. Not because Bluelighters are dumb and/or aren't well versed in linguistics...but because people don't just make up languages
 
if people don't then who do? aliens?

a lot of people have tried as marmz showed previously. I am just having fun and trying again.What is the harm in that?????

how you doing anyway NT? hit my up on aim sometime :)
 
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