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Opioids I'm done being addicted to opiates...Please help with my path off of it.

Kratom. Stay the fuck away from methadone, suboxen, and any of the shit the doc is going to write you, you'll switch addictions. In fact, don't even tell a doctor you are addicted, that particular doc will never write you an addictive pill again and if he notates it on your medical record and you switch doctors forget it. Find a responsible source and buy the Maeng Da variation. I require a 1/4lb of kratom ingested orally by powder and capsule over 2 weeks to get past the worst of the withdrawals.

Here's your schedule as a user for years:

3 doses of 3-6 grams of kratom a day for 2 weeks. (takes me 1 dose of 3-6g for 12 hrs only used for months)
Day 15 take nothing and see where you're at physically. Mentally you may still be ruined and considering a week of valium.
 
take the sub very carefully. i was on it for 3 days with a doctors care in a medical detox.
 
I went ahead and posted my Kratom-induced withdrawal schedule:

On your first day, what I did was I took 6 grams of Maeng Da by capsule form and 3 out of my usual 6-10 Oxy's per day. That alone was huge! I learned, unfortunately, that I should have woken up 30 minutes before my alarm to avoid waking up puking when I needed to be working.

On day 2, 6 grams capsule form of a different strain. Not as good as the maeng da, still only took 2 oxy's.

on day 3, 6 grams capsule form 2x because this was the weakest strain of the sampler pack (Bali), 1 oxy not even for psychological, just because the Jets won and that's tradition since the 09 season for me to get high after.

day 4, today, 12 grams capsule form over two 6 gram increments. 0 oxy's as of 8:14pm local time, hour 11 awake.

So you can taper down for 3 days with the Kratom, maybe even 2, and for the rest of the week or two you can only use then quit the Kratom itself and only supposedly have a one day hang over. Never take K for more than 2 weeks per my pharmacist friends advice as it can be addictive too, and there are threads on this and other boards where people say the shits better than oxycontin. So its all about whatever you need to get through. I stand firm on no less than a quarter pound supply which you should find not to burn significantly.

Mods or anyone who can warn me in a reply sooner - if this safety warning is a violation of the rules delete and please don't ban I'm really trying to stay in the guidelines - For your safety don't order directly off any auction sites, word on the street is a specific auction site seller screws people by sending catnip/oregano blends out for deals nobody would say no to compared to what else is there. Find a legitimate supplier, and with that I can unfortunately offer no tips per the guidelines. Kratom is only illegal in the Southeast Pacific/Anzac.
 
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So far you have gotten some good advice - you have all the right tools you need. Make sure to use them only when you need them, and not to overdo it.

I feel your pain, I have kicked countless times. I have never lasted more than a week untill now, where I have 6 months clean.

The biggest thing for me was a lifestyle change. I just started to take care of myself and my body. Eating healthy and working out does wonders especially in early addiction. I suggest starting to run and/or lift weights as soon as your done acute withdrawals. Your body is going to be in an endorphin depletion, where almost nothing will make you happy. I found out that by eating right and running, it helped me get a natural high of sorts.

6 months down the road I am not perfect, I still want to get high, and feed my addiction by reading about my DOC online. I know it's going to be a hard road, and believe me - getting clean is easy, staying clean is not. Get clean, make yourself physically active to get some endorphins flowing naturally. Your body is used to getting a flood of endorphins from opiates. If you workout - your body releases endorphins - get it? GET MOVING!!!!!!

I wish you the best of luck, and you can PM me and I will help you as much as I can.
 
Guys, thank you all so much for the great advice. I played some basketball yesterday and was really sore today from it. I'm definitely trying to stay active and let my body pump everything out. The last time I took a methadone (5mg) was yesterday at noon, and so far it has been 38 hrs and I'm not feeling any withdrawal symptoms. It's really weird because I feel like I'm waiting for a massive storm to hit. I know I need to be going through at least a little withdrawal before I start the suboxone, so I'm just kicking back waiting for that knock, lol.

I've got 2mgs of sub by my side the whole time right now, and it would be an absolute miracle if I didn't have to take it....tick tock tick tock....I'll check in with you guys tomorrow. :-)
 
I just wanted to say that I can't wait for the day when I have a clear head again. I always feel sluggish and like a lazy ass, life is passing me by. I can't wait to spring out of bed like a butterfly. I meditate and pray for direction several times a day. I'm just waiting now, bring it on baby, I'm gonna pass this storm and kick some ass. I want life.
 
I haven't read over every post in this thread yet but I read your initial post and 18 8mg subs is tooo manny man. I'm currently detoxing froma bag a day dope habit which is probably around the same level as your addiction (though the IV thing might make my habit a bit harder to break). I bought 1 8mg sub and am hoping it will be enough, as I am currently broke as balls. It shouldn't take more than .5mg to keep you well and I would be hesistant taking any more than 2mg at any point during your detox. Suboxone and methadone have this thing going on where they can't get enough of your opiod receptors. Honestly I would just ween with your DoC but I know that temptation can be a dirty whore..

But yeah basically all I have to say is take your detox easy... If you go through more than 3 8mg Subs during your detox than you have taken too much by far. Keep the detox short and taper fast.

My plan as of now is..

day 1 - 1mg
day 2 - wait as long as possible then take .75mg
day 3 - wait then .5mg
day 4 - tryyy to skip but dose .5 or a bit less if necessary.
day 5 - .35 or so
day 6 - try to skip .35 if necessary
day 7 - try to take the plunge to sobriety. (still have soem sub left if necessary)
 
Well, just woke up, and surprisingly I don't have any shakes or chills; I feel just fine. It's been 47 hrs since I last took 5mgs of methadone. What the hell is going on? Is there any chance that I may not experience withdrawals?
 
I just read about the COWS and it looks like I need to wait at least another 24 hours, or at least until I start experiencing some minor pains which it sounds like it'll be coming soon for me. I'm definitely not out of the woods yet.
 
Stay strong, and fuck the addiction..

Hello everyone..Well, the gent started a thread, which allowed some mates BL's open their soul, and say (write) a lot of interesting and useful things..Gent, you're very close, don't fear nothing, i think that your faith to The God helped you, and when we talk about REALLY faith, who gives a fuck about subs, methadone, etc. (no, i'm not saying that they're not useful and nobody needs them, but the faith (the really faith), move mountains..i hope you finish this soon, and help your brother and your mother:)..I also wish good luck and power, to Project will and all our mates BL's who try to get clean..because the clear life,world, are much better than the fake opiate life we're living(even when we don't want to fuckin admit it..%)). So, good luck to everyone<3, stay strong brothers (and sisters of course..):)



MartinFn
 
Yes please do not take all that suboxone unless you REALLY need too. That could just lead you down a road of suboxone addiction, which in alot of cases is worse. Your trying to become independent from a drug now and taking that much sub for a somewhat non severe withdrawl could just swap your dependence from opium/opiates to suboxone. And in most cases it takes ALONG time to get of sub once hooked.

But if you start to feel shitty I do recommend, like alot of people have said already, taking the lowest amount possible. Cause I know what withdrawaling feels like...and it flat out SUCKS.
 
i am about to get off my percs and have a small supply of subs. does anyone have any suggestions of how i should go about doing this. i wanna get on and off quik bc i know how addictive yhe subs are ....been there and dont care to go back.
 
Tough it out as much as you can, take .5mg of sub to ease the pain..if your still hurting bad after an hour take another .5.....the less sub you take the quicker you will be out of the woods.
 
Been on poppy tea for about 4 years now myself, though it seems to have enhanced my life for the most part (besides the annoying aspect of having to drink the nasty stuff everyday!)

Anyway, my best advice is to get on something long-acting or less euphoric (kratom, poppies) and slowly taper down. I find poppies way less euphoric than hydrocodone/oxycodone or even codeine, but they keep me from craving pills or contemplating stealing them every time I'm around them. Not that I ever actually did that, but it was a struggle sometimes.
 
I agree with skylines7....the less you can take the better. sub withdrawals are even worse! Then get ride of the remaining ones unless you plan on taking opiates in the near future. I hardly ever go on a binge without knowing I have sub by my side. Best thing that helps with withdrawls hands down.
 
I hear you guys. So....I'm over 84 hrs since my last dose of methadone and still no withdrawals. Still waiting...
 
94 hrs, still nothing. I hope I'm not jinxing myself, lol, I accept whatever God brings equally, but can 5mgs of methadone still possibly be in my system?

From my research it's showing people waiting several days, but they've been on methadone for a long time and at higher doses. I know it'd be a medical miracle if I didn't experience WD's. Methadone is one helluva drug!
 
I took 4 norcos and 1 soma about 30 minutes ago just to relieve the pain and get some rest. It seem to be working but it feels like I am taking a step back from quiting. I plan on weening off these norcos over the next 2 weeks. Probably 8 per day for 3 days and then 4 per day for 3 days then 2 per day for a week then 1 per day for a week.

Is this a stupid plan?[/QUOTE]


There is no such thing as a stupid plan to quit opiates. The only stupid thing most of us do is not sticking to any plan to quit and re-enter the cycle again and again. Switching to Hydro from Oxy was a huge step. 8 norcos a day is a lot and I bet 4 will remove your pain, may not provide the euphoria they have been. Try one at a time 4 times a day then 3 a day. And so on. The drop to zero is always the toughest. But honestly shouldn't be that bad. In the grand scheme of things a CT from 8 or 4 norcos a day won't be that bad either (unless you have been taking them for 10 yrs). Again you don't need any methadone or subs. A soma or two at night would help but just for a week or so. Neurontin is ok too for up to a month. Try not to substitute addictions.
 
I just wanted to update everyone, I have had absolutely no withdrawals. I have felt a little tired, and maybe a little bit panicky at times, but that was the extent. No shakes, no sweats, no aches. It's odd because the last time I went through WD that was not the case, however I was on pills due to a surgery. I was smoking over a gram of opium literally every single day for over six months, and if I even went half a day without smoking I'd feel sick. I have no idea how this has happened to me, but I feel really blessed.

Is it possible that because opium is a more natural form it was easier for my body to withdraw? I'm talking about smoking, specifically. One thing I realized about the drug was that there was a "ceiling" when smoked. It really didn't make a difference if I smoked .5gr or 1.5gr, even though I would typically smoke over 1gr a day just because I enjoyed the ritual. It was on the days that I would travel that I would take Norco to replace, but as soon as I'd get home pill use would be discontinued.
 
As far as i can see, two things saved you:First, your faith, you mentioned before, and your tolerance, wasn't as high as you thought..I think that certainly your faith did the job, man, one of the million small wonders that happen everyday, and we don't realize them:)..


MartinFn
 
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