Harm Reduction If you use research chemicals, please read this first.

[Hal_1ncandenza]

If you use RC’s, please read this. It matters.

Allergy tests become the norm back around the late oughts. Bromo Dragonfly was making the rounds and leaving amputees and dead teenagers in its wake. Suddenly, that 5mg bump of 2C-B-Fly might in fact be 5000 μg of a deadly vasoconstrictor. Sad that people had to die and lose limbs for the RC community at large to fully appreciate that we are all human guinea pigs playing a game of chemical roulette.

Please be safe. Buy a proper scale. Don’t cheap out, it is literally a piece of life support equipment. Measure out the smallest amount you can weigh accurately (usually 3-4mgs), divide that by half and take it sublingually. Wait at least an hour. If zero effects are felt, proceed. If it is an opioid or anything you even suspect is active at <1mg, make a volumetric solution and treat it the same way. Take the smallest amount possible, wait, then proceed.



You only get one life. No high is worth being impatient for. You’ll have all the time in the world to be impatient when you’re dead. I wish my friend had realized that, and I miss him a whole lot. Fuck.

 

[Vastness]

For sure good advice, and for the record this obviously applies not just to "RCs", which is a term, personally, I don't really like to use that much since all drugs are research chemicals at first. But this applies to any milligram-active substance.

There is simply no excuse for any responsible drug user using substances active in the milligram range to not own a scale. Eyeballing is never good enough. Weigh everything. I will even weigh cocaine which is not an "RC" by most people's definition, and which most people famously love to eyeball, but it IS milligram-active. If I used methamphetamine, heroin, or any other more well known drug, "RC" or not, I would do the same.

Even better, get yourself an array of test kits, educate yourself on using them, and test your shit before weighing it. I don't personally do this - but I should, and so should you.

 

[Xorkoth]

There is simply no excuse for any responsible drug user using substances active in the milligram range to not own a scale. Eyeballing is never good enough

100% agreed. A suitable scale is the AWS Gemini-20, you can buy .001g scales (milligram scales) for $25 from Amazon. Here is a link: https://www.amazon.com/American-Wei..._1_2?keywords=gemini-20&qid=1583178080&sr=8-2. If you can afford drugs, you can afford a scale. There is absolutely no excuse.

 

[JoEhJoEh]

I'm a highest tolerance benzo user since 2008. Now on Clonazolam (even if you dont believe the amount) at about 25-40 mg and i dont black out. Same with Flubromazolam.

I know Ill get the bill for it.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I'm a highest tolerance benzo user since 2008. Now on Clonazolam (even if you dont believe the amount) at about 25-40 mg and i dont black out. Same with Flubromazolam.

I know Ill get the bill for it.

I just hope you can afford it...

 

[JoEhJoEh]

I just hope you can afford it...

me too....

 

[ovo1024]

I think I have most of it yes, so would you say the bupe is doing it’s job? Hope so mate pleased for you if so, I know how hard it can be!!

I'm a highest tolerance benzo user since 2008. Now on Clonazolam (even if you dont believe the amount) at about 25-40 mg and i dont black out. Same with Flubromazolam.
I know Ill get the bill for it.

Wow. I'll pray for you. If you ended up in a situation where you had no access to benzos you would surely have a grand Mal seizure and very possibly die. That is a ungodly dose you are on.

 

[I_Hate_This_Place]

For sure good advice, and for the record this obviously applies not just to "RCs", which is a term, personally, I don't really like to use that much since all drugs are research chemicals at first. But this applies to any milligram-active substance.

There is simply no excuse for any responsible drug user using substances active in the milligram range to not own a scale. Eyeballing is never good enough. Weigh everything. I will even weigh cocaine which is not an "RC" by most people's definition, and which most people famously love to eyeball, but it IS milligram-active. If I used methamphetamine, heroin, or any other more well known drug, "RC" or not, I would do the same.

Even better, get yourself an array of test kits, educate yourself on using them, and test your shit before weighing it. I don't personally do this - but I should, and so should you.

100% agreed. A suitable scale is the AWS Gemini-20, you can buy .001g scales (milligram scales) for $25 from Amazon. Here is a link: https://www.amazon.com/American-Wei..._1_2?keywords=gemini-20&qid=1583178080&sr=8-2. If you can afford drugs, you can afford a scale. There is absolutely no excuse.

I'll add to this just to add an additional confirmation of these statements. Spot on.

I personally do the same as @Vastness. When I cosume mg active substances I also weigh out my doses. A good example would be "Dope". Even when it was still actually H as opposed to the roulette wheel of random fentalogues & RC's you get when you attempt to purchase "Dope" now a days; I'd weigh out the bags I got.
Even if only for the peace of mind of knowing how badly one gets ripped off. All kidding aside whatever reason you come up with to weigh your substances; it's a good decision regardless. Weighing substances is always a good call.

100% agreed. A suitable scale is the AWS Gemini-20, you can buy .001g scales (milligram scales) for $25 from Amazon. Here is a link: https://www.amazon.com/American-Wei..._1_2?keywords=gemini-20&qid=1583178080&sr=8-2. If you can afford drugs, you can afford a scale. There is absolutely no excuse.

As for the actual scale I've purchased at least a dozen of the model linked & can also confirm that it works well for the price. If for my own usage or one of the many I've gotten for others as "gifts" they've always been a worthwhile investment. Highly recommended if you need an affordable scale.

 

[JoEhJoEh]

I have an expensive milligram-scale meanwhile and i know exactly how to get a homogenic solution. i solve everything in vodka, because pg , ethanol and so on doesn't really work for me. With Vodka I'm always satisfied, doesnt mätter wich substance.

 

[JoEhJoEh]

Wow. I'll pray for you. If you ended up in a situation where you had no access to benzos you would surely have a grand Mal seizure and very possibly die. That is a ungodly dose you are on.

Nobody dies just from a Grand-Mal-Seizure - the problem is to fall badly on a stone with your head or something else. Or you enter the street and it happens.

 

[JoEhJoEh]

Nobody dies just from a Grand-Mal-Seizure - the problem is to fall badly on a stone with your head or something else. Or you enter the street and it happens.

Hi,

uhm - i'll not die. For sure not. I'll search for medical help but the problem is I#m selfemployed and i cannot affort (even now with covid and NO income). I have to do the first milligrams cold, wich should be not too bad. And i have loads of Oxazepam at home, just to temper off. Here meanwhile the physiciains switched a lot from diazepam to oxazepam, so #ill do it. but of cousre with a doctrot, but deinitely not in a cliniic.

JJ

 

[Xorkoth]

Actually people do die from grand mal seizures. It's called status epilipticus, look it up. 50% of people who are in seizure for 5 minutes or longer die. Grand mal seizures cause brain damage, and also you can cause massive physical damage from the intensely thrashing.

Please be safe, and seek medical attention if you start to shake. If you don't have enough benzos in you, you are also likely to become delirious which will profoundly impact your decision-making ability. Having medical debt is better than dying. Also going through intense benzo withdrawal causes brain damage due to excitotoxicity.

 

[JoEhJoEh]

Actually people do die from grand mal seizures. It's called status epilipticus, look it up. 50% of people who are in seizure for 5 minutes or longer die. Grand mal seizures cause brain damage, and also you can cause massive physical damage from the intensely thrashing.

Please be safe, and seek medical attention if you start to shake. If you don't have enough benzos in you, you are also likely to become delirious which will profoundly impact your decision-making ability. Having medical debt is better than dying. Also going through intense benzo withdrawal causes brain damage due to excitotoxicity.

Thanks a lot for your reply, Xorkoth.

I have 60 blisters of oxazepam at home because here in Europe physicians tend to taper down more and more wit Oxazepam instead of Diazepam. I unfortunately do not know why, but it is like that.

I'm working in the medical sector and i now what a status epilepticus is, I even saw it twice. Once when I called the ambulance because I was the first person who was there in status epilepticus, they were not even impressed... He said, everything that lasts longer as from the phone call until they arrive to give that person support, he explained to me, that a grand-mal-seizure just looks extremely overwhelming but it ist'n. For a status they give valium. And the guidelines are - just let this person cramp but be aware of his head - don't even hold it or something, try not to break the Grand-mal-seizure by yourself (moving this person and so on) it is just calling the emergency and look that this person don´'t hurt himself by strange movements, but i n addition, so NOTHING than to keep his body save. Also bring him to the side, because if he had to vomit (which is very common after a seizure) he will not aspirate.

It also of course makes a difference WHY he had that seizure so these people are all brought to hospital, doing a full body ct to see no bone is broken, and then they try to find out with EEG and an MRI scan of the brain if this seizure was a thing that just for some reason happened one time or if he is an epileptic, or worse, having a brain tumor or TIA or stroke or doing drugs or whatever.

In hospital they give you benzos (Clobazam = Frisium) to prevent another seizure. And after a few days the person can go home when blood, brain and so on are OK again.

Greets,

JJ

EDIT: For statut epilepticus you are totally right, 10-30 people die but not because of the status but because of other things.

 

[Vastness]

EDIT: For statut epilepticus you are totally right, 10-30 people die but not because of the status but because of other things.

I feel this is kind of arguing semantics. Status epilepticus is a dangerously off-nominal condition for any organism equipped with a brain. Vital autonomic functions are interrupted, either directly via disruption of the relevant neurological circuits, or indirectly due to massive uncontrolled override of other bodily functions such as muscle contractions inhibiting these vital functions, such as breathing. If someone having a grand mal seizure dies because the magnitude of involvement of the throat, diaphragm, etc, is sufficient to overwhelm the breath reflex for long enough that their brain is starved of oxygen, one could make a case that in fact it was not the seizure that killed them - but the lack of oxygen - they suffocated. But hopefully this extreme, but not impossible or unheard of example, will be sufficient to illustrate that in fact, grand mal seizures and status epilepticus itself have a non-negligible and direct risk of fatality.