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If K is psychedelic H, then what is psychedelic coke/speed?

sextacy67

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Hey guys, I hear ketamine referred to as "Psychedelic heroin". I'm aware there is no actual opiate effect, just something that feels similar (can hardly move, insane body buzz). However I have never heard of anything on the opposite end of the spectrum. Iv never heard of a "Psychedelic amphetamine" (or cocaine)

I know I'm not gonna get a solid answer because no one drugs has been defined as P-coke or P-speed the way ketamine has been defined as "p-heroin". I just want to have your guys take on it. MDMA? AMT? PCP? or something else entirely?
 
Thanks, Iv heard of this doc stuff, had no clue it was part amphetamine. I know what your saying tho, it will lead to misinformation but dunno I like when things are easy to categorize (maybe thats a bad idea lol, but hey) Iv havnt done K ,just MXE. I at least saw where people were comming from when they say Psychadellic Heroin
 
thing is, "psychedelic heroin" doesn't actually say anything about the nature of the ketamine experience, simply because it's a completely different drug. so that's not an "easy categorization", but plain bullshit.
 
In my experience, back in the early days, ketamine was described as the "heroin of psychedelics", not "psychedelic heroin". Which, we could disagree about for a million reasons but the analogy is apt. Escapist, compulsive, feels greeeeat, and quite "psychedelic". This was before the widespread use of said substance or related compounds, and was described as such because until that point most conventional psychedelics didnt lead most users into compulsive 24/7 dosing. Ketamine did. Semantics aside, I can support such a label to a point. ("the heroin of psychedelics", not "psychedelic heroin").

And yes, blah blah, I know ketamine is a dissociative and not a psychedelic. Figured some dingbat would feel the need to point out the obvious :)

To the Op, there are many psychedelic amphetamines, but not many that have the monkey pulling the lever until the heart explodes. Amphetamine psychosis can get quite psychedelic, and overuse of MDPV got me more tripped out than almost any psychedelic ever could. Probably not the answer you are looking for ;)

Also, someone from a swedis drug board recently posted that iv doses of ethlphenidate in the neighborhood of 200mg produced quite psychedelic effects, which they claimed were vastly different than amphetamine psychosis. I found this quite interesting, but not about to put my heart through that wringer anytime soon. . .
 
AMT

It's a psychedelic, but it also releases dopamine, which makes it quite speedy.
 
Mr. Turner was in the process of revising his Essential Psychedelic Guide, but as the changes may never come to light, it should be stated that his opinion of ketamine had changed considerably. He was sensitive to safety issues, and was increasingly troubled by what he called the "psychedelic heroin" properties of ketamine. He confided in friends that DMT, which he considered his most helpful ally, had a difficult time counteracting the addictive and increasingly life-negative effects of this drug. DMT conveyed to him that ketamine was a sort of "Frankenstein molecule" that didn't obey the shamanic rules, and he was given several warnings to drop it from his program. Ultimately, his failure to completely do so led to his untimely passing.
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DM Turner memorial page @ Erowid


The closest thing to "psychedelic cocaine" may well be MDMA? It's all just analogies anyway
 
WSH said:
AMT

It's a psychedelic, but it also releases dopamine, which makes it quite speedy.
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It releases dopamine yes, with lots of stimulation. But I wouldn't call it "speedy". More like a mellow type of extreme motivation and energy.
 
2ci has been reffered to as hippie coke in my area, i think ists dumb to call em that theyre psychedelics not trashy drugs:\
 
I don't think ketamine is anything close to heroin. More like alcohol, but even then it's a very different drug, and entirely different in k-hole doses. So the name "psychedelic heroin" is ridiculous to me (I'm not trying to offend you OP). Not only is ketamine not "psychedelic", it's not anything like heroin.

As for psychedelic amphetamines, well you have your DOx compounds which are psychedelic amphetamines by the true meaning of the term. (They are amphetamines, and they are psychedelic). If you are speaking about effects - as in "stimulating psychedelics" - well there are many of them too. Indeed, most psychedelics are naturally stimulating anyway. You will find it all but impossible to sleep on LSD for example. But of course some are more stimulating than others, and in different ways.
 
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Non taken, just trying to learn if there are any psychedelic amphetamines.(Turns out there are lol, not the answer I was expecting either) To amanitadine, your totally right. Its funny how big of a difference can be made in two letters (Psychedelic Heroin vs Heroin of Psychedelics)
 
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