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Idea... keeping tolerance low by switching between MDA and MDMA?

rolling_anon said:
Again I appreciate your info, but again you have no source to back up your claim.

I opened the thread with a source... http://www.mdma.net/mdma/cross-tolerance.html , that seems to be quite credible.

Not tryin' to be rude here, but if you claim this or that I'd really like to see some sort of data along with your claim.

Good day ya'll :)
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Your logic makes sense, there is no statistical evidence either way,but that will never happen because of md's legal status. Your most reliable bet is to go with TearItDown's approach - mda and mdma are very similar in how they affect your brain. It's generally agreed that cross tolerance is pretty high
 
Everyone goes on about harm reduction and unless you've got sasha shulgin as your best mate some of these theories have no base. Just face it we like off our heads don't we. The best harm reduction I know is little now and again not loads all the time. It cigarettes that bother me just can't kick the fucking things. Pills, a couple every 3 months or so - no probs.
 
I don't get what people don't understand about this.

Both drugs cause serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine release. When these neurotransmitters are low, it doesn't matter whether you do MDA or MDMA, you're not going to feel crap.

And yes, switching off between them will cause more problems. I used to do this - every week for two weeks, MDMA, every week for two weeks, MDA... it really fucks up your system when you use MDA too much - moreso than MDMA.
 
missing old pills said:
Let's be honest though it is a great buzz when you take these 2 chemicals together. I remember in the early ninetys there used to pills in the uk called snowballs which were half and half. What a buzz
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Oh absolutely. Ever had MDMA/MDA/MDE combo pills? Only thing better is getting 1gram moon rock Molly and taking 200mg...
 
OP, I'm no scientist, but I would think that there is some cross tolerance. However, I think you could slow the speed of tolerance by using these two separately.

One thing I can tell you for sure is that MagickalKat is right, doing them both together will have you rolling harder and longer than you ever have in your life...it's fucking heaven.
 
rolling_anon said:
Again I appreciate your info, but again you have no source to back up your claim.

I opened the thread with a source... http://www.mdma.net/mdma/cross-tolerance.html , that seems to be quite credible.

Not tryin' to be rude here, but if you claim this or that I'd really like to see some sort of data along with your claim.

Good day ya'll :)
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There are no studies on MDMA / MDA cross-tolerance in humans. Period. Comparing the activity of the brain of the simplist of mammals to that of a human is comparing an apple and an orange. Sure, they're both fruits (mammals), but that doesn't make them much similar in any other fashion (besides some shared nutritional information -- comparable to biological makeup in humans). My proof is qualitative which, in the scientific community, is accepted equally with quantitative proof. You can't put everything into data.

I'll tell you what, though. Rather than arguing this, go ahead and do this.

Also from mdma.net comes the transhumanist ethical position of abolitionism which can be read here:

http://www.superhappiness.com/index.html

which states that it is the human imperative to reduce suffering as much as possible in the world (which could, in one way, be accomplished through destruction of all life which makes abolitionism a branch of negative utilitarianism -- http://www.hedweb.com/negutil.htm). It should be noted hedweb is also part of mdma.net >.>;;

I digress, though. It should also be noted that, according to this study, MDMA and MDA have no cross tolerance, but MDMA and methamphetamine do. What I'm saying, I suppose, is there's no proof on my side (other than REPEATED qualitative evidence) OR on your side. We are not rats. The only way to get to the bottom of this, quantitatively, is for someone to write up a procedure determining cross tolerance in humans.
 
Thanks... you know, I'm really surprised there hasn't been more testing done considering MDMA has been in this world for a while now.

Anyway, I guess all we can do to keep tolerance down is through exercise, eating healthy foods (fish, turkey, greens), taking your amino acids, multi-vitamins, and 5HTP during the "hangover week".

Seems to work, anyway. Then again, I've only encountered 5 rolls or so. :)
 
rolling_anon said:
Thanks... you know, I'm really surprised there hasn't been more testing done considering MDMA has been in this world for a while now.

Anyway, I guess all we can do to keep tolerance down is through exercise, eating healthy foods (fish, turkey, greens), taking your amino acids, multi-vitamins, and 5HTP during the "hangover week".

Seems to work, anyway. Then again, I've only encountered 5 rolls or so. :)
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It hasn't been in this world for a while now. It's fairly new and testing of a schedule I drug is always next to impossible.
 
Well, I guess what I meant was I wish they'd done more testing in the 80's before big brother dropped the hammer.
 
rolling_anon said:
Well, I guess what I meant was I wish they'd done more testing in the 80's before big brother dropped the hammer.
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Are you kidding me? There has been plenty of testing done with MDMA - right down to the exact method of action and long term consequences of use. There is even a study going on right now involving MDMA and PTSD.

There has been FAR less research on MDA, however, mostly because MDA was found to be even more neurotoxic than MDMA, which is already more neurotoxic than most other substances.

Seriously if you want to risk panic disorder, depression, or even "losing the magic", go ahead and do your trials. When all of the above happen though, don't bitch to us in Ecstasy Discussion - take it the Dark Side where all drug abusers eventually end up.

I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt, wore it out, and did it again. Now I'm waiting for my second t-shirt to arrive because I overdid it with MDMA for a few weeks again.

I NEVER had a panic attack until I started doing large amounts of MDXX - even when I was binging on hardcore research chemicals like 5-MeO-AMT (arguably the most toxic of all of them), AMT, the 2C family, etc. I was not sober more than one day a week for a good 2 years.

Then I started rolling. BAM! First panic attack after going on binge rolls with MDA/Caff/Meth pills for a single month... then they started getting worse. And don't even get me started on the depression.

Seriously, this thread should be locked. There is no way that you are going to get around the nastiness of MDXX abuse - either use them the way they should be used or pay the consequences. It is that simple. I see no reason why people should keep trying to talk you out of this. We talk from experience, which means a hell of a lot more than some drug studies on animals.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Are you kidding me? There has been plenty of testing done with MDMA - right down to the exact method of action and long term consequences of use. There is even a study going on right now involving MDMA and PTSD.

There has been FAR less research on MDA, however, mostly because MDA was found to be even more neurotoxic than MDMA, which is already more neurotoxic than most other substances.

Seriously if you want to risk panic disorder, depression, or even "losing the magic", go ahead and do your trials. When all of the above happen though, don't bitch to us in Ecstasy Discussion - take it the Dark Side where all drug abusers eventually end up.

I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt, wore it out, and did it again. Now I'm waiting for my second t-shirt to arrive because I overdid it with MDMA for a few weeks again.

I NEVER had a panic attack until I started doing large amounts of MDXX - even when I was binging on hardcore research chemicals like 5-MeO-AMT (arguably the most toxic of all of them), AMT, the 2C family, etc. I was not sober more than one day a week for a good 2 years.

Then I started rolling. BAM! First panic attack after going on binge rolls with MDA/Caff/Meth pills for a single month... then they started getting worse. And don't even get me started on the depression.

Seriously, this thread should be locked. There is no way that you are going to get around the nastiness of MDXX abuse - either use them the way they should be used or pay the consequences. It is that simple. I see no reason why people should keep trying to talk you out of this. We talk from experience, which means a hell of a lot more than some drug studies on animals.
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I won't even begin to get into why you are so wrong. The bolded portion is where you took it too far(and wrong, you are one fucked up brat) and just need to stop talking.
 
^ been thinkin the same thing for a while (no offence)

Simply: Excess neurotransmitters in the synapse (5-ht, NE and DA) will cause down regulation of corresponding receptors = TOLERANCE.

There will be a cross tolerance you don't need to do any studies to realize this.
 
TearItDown said:
I won't even begin to get into why you are so wrong. The bolded portion is where you took it too far(and wrong, you are one fucked up brat) and just need to stop talking.
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Ummm - I have had to make posts in the Dark Side before. Why? Because I went crazy with E pills. I'm not ashamed of it and I'm trying to keep someone else from making the same mistakes I did. I DO speak from experience. Maybe you don't but don't tell me to stop talking. Abusing MDXX drugs can REALLY fuck you up - I have friends that didn't stop when their bodies told them to - now they are on anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, large doses of klonopin and xanax and valium, just to keep them somewhat functional in society. I "lucked out" and just got the panic disorder instead of severe depressive disorder along with the multitude of other things they got. And panic disorder isn't something I would ever refer to as lucky.
 
cryptix420 said:
I understand the phrasing, I'm just telling you in the harm reduction spirit of bluelight that it's extremely unhealthy to roll every other weekend, or even every month
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he understands that. He's asking about tolerance.

Man, For a clean cut answer. it wouldnt help... maybe if you 'psych' yourself into the idea that it would help than you JUST MIGHT be able to pull it off, your brain is a powerful thing. BUT the chemicals and how they work onnnn your brain are BASICALLY, the same. NOTTT the same, but in a nut shell they do the same shit so the tolerance is the same. i know because i use MDMA sometimes more than once a week and i have tried this myself aswell with other MDMA type chemicals like MDE which obviously didnt help since its basically just shitty MDMA. MDA doesss have halluco effects so i guess that would be a difference but honestly the euphoria is overwhelming on both so you dont really notice the rest.

Happy rolls dude.
and if you are a heavy user like myself, I'd do everything in my power to maintain the rest of your body even though in the long run nothing can repair your brain from heavy molly use.
Be smart, be safe.
 
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