Dissociatives "Ice / Rock" Ketamine VS "Pixie Dust" / "Glass" & Loose Powder.

[Zopiclone bandit]

Managed to get access to a very good Ketamine Source & I've taken to doing a fair bit over the last few months, at the worst I've binged upto a gram a day on this form of Ket.

I've been getting it like this as it really seems to have a big kick to it, it tastes so strong on the drip & literally after doing a nice line of 150mg-ish it kicks in after 2-3 mins & by the time 15 mins is up I am very much on the bed, flat on my back with my eyes shut as I melt away into that Black Void & fly around some weird space for a while.

The first order I got 3 grams from the vendor, one was this stuff I've dubbed "Ice / Rock" Ket as it's literally like Meth in its form, the other 2 were totally loose powder & the other was like small pieces of broken glass. The broken glass stuff was ok I guess BUT nothing I have ever had compares to the power of that "Ice / Rock" form.

I assume with a very big lack of wisdom on chemistry the Ket in that Ice form is Pure?
It sure tastes that way & the potency of it isn't in question in my mind BUT some sneaky Chemist may have a way to bash it in some fashion & "recook" it back into that form, is that even possible?

How does someone cook Ket from a liquid & make it form something like that in the picture?
I assume it's pure in that form?

 

[Viraldrome]

I don't want to start this debate again. At all.
But in my photo the left sample, the needle shards, is (s) isomer and right, the solid chunk, is (r) isomer. You posted a stock picture of some meth it looks like.

There are three kinds of ket, S, R or racemic (half of each). R is the weakest, but longest lasting, S is most trippy but shortest acting, racemic should be a combo of the two. I'm not guessing what you have, in my experience s (the needle like shards) is the best, racemic was 2nd best and R was worst. I might not be able to tell s from racemic but i think anyone who gets R should sense how weak and unlike k like it is. So much so i sent it for testing, and it came back as pure K. I have no other option but to accept the R/S difference is real based on the test and my experience. Ask the vendor what he's sending you, everyone advertises it as it's isomer now, unless you bought it from real life dealer, he may not know what he is selling. I assume there is racemic with different ratios out there too so pinning down exactly what you have may not be possible

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I don't want to start this debate again. At all.

Have I done something wrong in asking this question?
@Esperighanto @JackARoe Is some mega-Ket thread on this part of BL? Feel free to link it up as I don't wanna mash up this section with stuff that's clearly been dragged over the coals a billion times it seems.

There are three kinds of ket, S, R or racemic (half of each). R is the weakest, but longest lasting, S is most trippy but shortest acting, racemic should be a combo of the two. I'm not guessing what you have, in my experience s (the needle like shards) is the best, racemic was 2nd best and R was worst. I might not be able to tell s from racemic but i think anyone who gets R should sense how weak and unlike k like it is. So much so i sent it for testing, and it came back as pure K. I have no other option but to accept the R/S difference is real based on the test and my experience. Ask the vendor what he's sending you, everyone advertises it as it's isomer now, unless you bought it from real life dealer, he may not know what he is selling. I assume there is racemic with different ratios out there too so pinning down exactly what you have may not be possible

I know the total powder stuff I had the first time was quite weak, it got you high really quick but dropped off after maybe 2-3 hours & I wasn't impressed with it one bit.
The "Glass shard" stuff was ok but I still say I have NEVER done "Ketamine" in any form equal to that "Ice / Rock" form, it's truly amazing & I miss it so much, I could blow my bladder apart sniffing that stuff no problem, well till I come to take a piss I guess.

There are three kinds of ket, S, R or racemic (half of each). R is the weakest, but longest lasting, S is most trippy but shortest acting, racemic should be a combo of the two

@BadBoy377 and anyone else who knows Chemistry for Godsake can you put this into SIMPLE terms I can understand?

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Yeah that glass shard stuff is 100% like I got mine too, my Rock form of Ket looks NOTHING Like your block does, my stuff is very clear & 99% see through like a good diamond.
I'll post an image next payday & show you what it looks like, what you posted looks like badly washed Crack imho.

 

[xdrc]

(R)-ketamine and (S)-ketamine crystallise in the same manner. Visual appearance is no proof of anything. Polarimeters are easy to build if you really want to know.

 

[Viraldrome]

"Have I done something wrong in asking this question?"

No bro its not your fault. Its unprovable is the problem. All testing services say they cant tell them apart. I've snorted and injected thousands of dollars of ketamine, almost all shards and the one time i got the R and it was, as pictured, solid, and the effects 100 percent conform to what other people on here report about R. You can't even hole on R i don't see how it is not immediately apparent to anyone using it its different, as you noticed the difference too. It tastes the same in the drip that's where similarity ends its estimated 4x or 5x weaker. if it hit you hard and you couldn't move it's S or racemic its not r i assure you.

All the vendors online sell it exactly the same way, shards are S and solid chunk is r, and my personal experience leaves me zero doubt that's accurate. I'm not sure how else one explains vastly different effects when both of the samples i posted tested as ketamine. Both are K and one is completely different, weaker, you can get a boner and dance. I have no other option but to believe one is R and one is S. I keep hearing the same drug nerd "knowledge" on this subject and it directly contradicts my experience.

I probably won't return to debate this, its exhausting to be honest

 

[xdrc]

I'm not saying it is impossible that you have enantiomeric ketamine. It actually is quite easy to separate. It's just that all services that check for enantiomers pretty much only found racemic ketamine. Kykeon even had a challenge where they would give you the next analysis for free if you had enantiopure ketamine. Unfortunately, Kykeon has undergone some troubles and many of their people have moved on to form a company called Nectar Spectra Labs, which does offer enantiomeric analysis (unfortunately without such challenge) for a hefty price tag of 150 €. Fortunately though, you can build a crude polarimeter with some pol filters from cheap 3D glasses or polarisation filter sheet for a crude sanity check.

 

[placebonaut]

shards are S and solid chunk is r

I have R-ISO shards in my box so afraid I don't think that's the case.

the form of ket doesn't guarantee purity, IIRC I think crystals grow at different rates depending on a number of things (temp, saturation) but basically down to how it's made. Ditto purity and impurities, but the 2 aren't necessarily linked.

good quality ket is good quality, shards are shards, blocks are blocks, powder is powder, you can mix up any of these and get high quality bigger shards or low quality blocks, or vice versa.

shards are going to be cut less than powder unless you cut it with something that has the same crystal shard structure (harder I think given the typical shape of ket shards ), powder is easier to cut because there are more things that you can cut it with!

the only real way to be sure is to get the purity tested, or take some and be your own judge!

@Zopiclone bandit given you know your shit it sounds like you have some good gear regardless, congrats! I would guess it's just straight off the production line, suspect cutting and recrystallizing just isn't worth the ball ache even if it is possible

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

"Have I done something wrong in asking this question?"

No bro its not your fault. Its unprovable is the problem. All testing services say they cant tell them apart. I've snorted and injected thousands of dollars of ketamine, almost all shards and the one time i got the R and it was, as pictured, solid, and the effects 100 percent conform to what other people on here report about R. You can't even hole on R i don't see how it is not immediately apparent to anyone using it its different, as you noticed the difference too. It tastes the same in the drip that's where similarity ends its estimated 4x or 5x weaker. if it hit you hard and you couldn't move it's S or racemic its not r i assure you.

All the vendors online sell it exactly the same way, shards are S and solid chunk is r, and my personal experience leaves me zero doubt that's accurate. I'm not sure how else one explains vastly different effects when both of the samples i posted tested as ketamine. Both are K and one is completely different, weaker, you can get a boner and dance. I have no other option but to believe one is R and one is S. I keep hearing the same drug nerd "knowledge" on this subject and it directly contradicts my experience.

I probably won't return to debate this, its exhausting to be honest

This is what I wanted to read, thank God someone took the time to read then comment.
Yeah all I can really say is to echo your post, some of whatever the fuck I was sold be it R or S the powder was weak, I could sniff a gram of it in 6-7 hours, it sure ISN'T equal to E.U. Pre-ban MXE or 4-Meo-PCP I can PROMISE you that much.

The "glass shard" stuff had way more of a kick & a "Hot Metal" taste when it dripped, a bit like snorting Indian Zopiclone but the best by far was the stuff that looks like Meth, My God that stuff still makes the hairs on my arms stand up when I think of it & my blood runs cold, a good line of that stuff kicks in within 2-3 mins & I am not joking here, you do a good line you better get on the Sofa really quick.

I'm like you in a way, I've done several ounce (28gram blocks) of Pre E.U. MXE & I dread to think how much 4-MeO-PCP I did, I burned the part of the brain that it works on into ash sadly as it stopped packing that hard punch after a good year of abuse, I would snort 4-MeO-PCP at least 3 days a week & I was doing full "hole" doses where I died & left my body etc.........

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I have R-ISO shards in my box so afraid I don't think that's the case.

the form of ket doesn't guarantee purity, IIRC I think crystals grow at different rates depending on a number of things (temp, saturation) but basically down to how it's made. Ditto purity and impurities, but the 2 aren't necessarily linked.

good quality ket is good quality, shards are shards, blocks are blocks, powder is powder, you can mix up any of these and get high quality bigger shards or low quality blocks, or vice versa.

shards are going to be cut less than powder unless you cut it with something that has the same crystal shard structure (harder I think given the typical shape of ket shards ), powder is easier to cut because there are more things that you can cut it with!

the only real way to be sure is to get the purity tested, or take some and be your own judge!

@Zopiclone bandit given you know your shit it sounds like you have some good gear regardless, congrats! I would guess it's just straight off the production line, suspect cutting and recrystallizing just isn't worth the ball ache even if it is possible

All I know is I first sniffed Ketamine back in 1998 at a Techno Rave & fell in love with it.
I didn't have access to Ketamine for ages due to being in a smack using group, when you have a serious Heroin habit you don't think about Ketamine & for some weird reason if you do Heroin then snort MXE or Ketamine it doesn't seem to work correctly, NEVER Smoke Crack then do Ket TRUST ME ON THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't say too much where it comes from but I will say it's via a Vendor who rates very high on their score & has good comments across the more "interesting" parts of The Interweb & some weird Russian message App #wink.

I'll stick up a photo of what I am getting on my next order.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to read this & post.

I still don't understand the gap between R & S as I am fucking stupid in those ways of thinking, what I do know is the taste of good Ketamine in a second just like I know the taste of good Crack or Heroin & I am never wrong about my rating of these things.

 

[placebonaut]

I still don't understand the gap between R & S

Racemic is a 50:50 mix between R & S, it's racemic that is almost always sold when people buy ket.

simple version, S-iso makes you hole, R-iso has more mood/anxiolytic/sedation properties. I personally find it impossible to hole on R-iso no matter how much I take, my nose refuses more at some point...

I like S-iso when I want to hole hard, but I think the hole looses a bit of the therapeutic value for me without the R-iso side of things.

depends what mood I'm in for what I will take but it's generally racemic, or sometimes I'll make my own s and r blend nearer to 70:30 if I want to go deep (more because my nose seems to react like a dripping tap to ket!)

what I do know is the taste of good Ketamine in a second just like I know the taste of good Crack or Heroin & I am never wrong about my rating of these things.

that right there is the important bit, if it's good it's good!

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

S-iso is noted down.

my nose refuses more at some point...

(more because my nose seems to react like a dripping tap to ket!)

lol
Good to know I'm not the only one who gets this.
You ever had tears form & then run quite a bit when you had a good line 130-150mg & that weird body leaving feeling comes on?

 

[placebonaut]

You ever had tears form & then run quite a bit when you had a good line 130-150mg & that weird body leaving feeling comes on?

yeah though ironically I've always put that down to me being lazy and not grinding the shards up enough, not sure if that's the case or not, I'm much better with the rolling pin these days

 

[iom]

I still don't understand the gap between R & S as I am fucking stupid in those ways of thinking,

Hold up your left hand. Let's just say for the purpose of the exercise that that's S-ketamine. Now hold up your right hand. That's R-ketamine. Strictly speaking, your hands are not perfect mirrors of each other, but S-K and R-K are perfect mirrors. That's really all there is to it.

 

[Freeotrope]

and s stands for sinister because the left hand is evil

seems like there is better quality going around in general these days compared to a few years ago

 

[KetWise]

yeah though ironically I've always put that down to me being lazy and not grinding the shards up enough, not sure if that's the case or not, I'm much better with the rolling pin these days

I thought using K in crystal form was worse for you and wasteful ? ( don't get me wrong i did it too )
It's always better to mix them with distilled water and cook them. It's not a magic fix but I think it would less destroy your nose and your bladder too.

People are different, some prefer the S or the R, too much S -> short strong psychedelic high, when you got tolerance it's even going bit too fast , too much R while amd it still hits physically and maybe better as anti depressant. It tend to make me sick but when you got massive tolerance the best would be 50/50.

I remember having beautiful transparent shards very psychedelic high and k-hole, been told it's S and my k addict friend didn't like it too much but I loved it. Few weeks later got less transparent little hard rocks that was supposedly R. It was strong, I didn't like it as much as I couldn't hole, but my k addict friend loved it. It is easier to be somehow functional on it and is a bit like disso smack if you want. They just wanna feel k, being nicely calm and "sedated" without tripping balls all the time.

I've had sugar type labelled as iso S, really good to me but many k users preferred R or 50/50. Now it is common to have the choice between R and S.

NEVER Smoke Crack then do Ket TRUST ME ON THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know what's wrong with that, I did it very often to get down from the base and think about something else, very useful to end sessions

about Ketamine & for some weird reason if you do Heroin then snort MXE or Ketamine it doesn't seem to work correctly

You wont get a khole but enhanced sedative effects or loads of nausea, in my experience

You ever had tears form & then run quite a bit when you had a good line 130-150mg & that weird body leaving feeling comes on?

Yes it think it is normal ! I can't do much more than a g or two nowadays every once in a while

The crystals are the "pure" form, when cooked with distilled water you get the powder that is much better to use in my opinion. Also cooking them can show if they are cut. I heard lately they were using MSM as a cut (just like meth) that was burning in a weird color and smell when cooked to powder. Also some other stuff that would never dry properly. While it is easier to cut powder, you can always check your crystals by cooking them, even if Im sure other cuts exists.