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ice + killing + rants

Just a rant but also a discussion, seems like the trend here in NZ is while frying on ice, it is best to go around and kill people for money to get more. Example, a while back one guy went around with a samurai sword and gun - chopped off a hand, then shot down an innocent person. The next one, went to an RSA (old time war veterans) and shot 3 people dead, and the last went on a rampage around my area that I live in (its plagued with ice/meth drug houses) home invaded some teens for money and drugs then went around on the hills and shot innocent people/1 dead.

Has/or does this happen in Australia?

To my understanding, I feel like its not an 'ice epidemic' here, but a 'murder for ice epidemic' thats been going on for several years now.
nz government are in the crap on this one, since they ignored the pleas of a cop from hawaii warning of the violent dangers ice can do, eg should of set up more public info/harm reduction pamphlets, trained the rehabs/clinics, like they did with the first mdma death..

Im wondering if its only a small percentage of ice users that go mental so do you/or know someone that tends to get aggressive on ice/meth, and have you/or friend recognised that, to know that it is a problem for you/themselves to change to a different habit, or get some help? share your stories!

n.b. Ive bumped into graeme burton several times at various places/clubs in the city before he breached parole, and he seemed like a happy go lucky person. Was just shocked that it ended up with him going on a rampage/murder, and now left with a leg amputated, after being shot by police..
 
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Dude how much has this been happening. I'm sure it happens everywhere, because meth use can put weak people at risk of such psychotic behaviour.. but if they're murdering people it's not just the ice that is the problem. I think meth is a fucked drug, and you cannot live a normal life when addicted to the shit, but murdering for a hit seems a little extreme.
 
No obvious cases of murder that I can think of in Australia. The most prominent and well-publicised case so far was the businessman who murdered all those poor widdle bunny rabbits while high.

Financier in court on bestiality and cruelty charges

Obviously the bestiality aspect is fairly sensational and draws all the attention to this case.

On some level I think speed was also implicated as a factor in the Falconio murder but I doubt the purity of the drug in this instance was actually crystal, or how much of a role it played in making Bradley John Murdoch a killer.
 
Hehe - I remember that story, the poor bunnies! edit: I read that the guys who did the 'body in the barrel' murders were using methamphetamine, which I suspect most probably base/1999.

Australia has it lucky for violence/meth problems, after a little google search came up with an example of some of the cases here, that include people who either are fried off their nuts and do stupid things, to people who murdered for money. Id expect this to happen in bigger countries like oz, usa, europe (which I doubt they even have a cloud, from what mates in london were saying..).

Graeme burton reminded me of one of those gay gym bunny coke fiends that do the shuffle by the p.a. system sort of clubber (he was one of the regular party goers in the city) after reading further news on the net, he was jailed in 1992 for stabbing to death a lighting technician at a club, stating he was high on x6 drug cocktails at the time. So gives me the conclusion he cant handle cocktails/drugs - gets too violent.

So you can see how the nz joe public think - that ice/meth users are utter scumbags!! makes me sick cos people like me including many others are sensible. I used to take it everyday for a couple years, like a taste in the morning, add some to my coffee, and perhaps smoke it at night/or just smoke the shit. To now just every so often, which I prefer so I get a better buzz lol which makes it worth it then, well being a poly user and all...

Yeah it does sound a bit extreme mate, but makes me wonder + wtf??!

below stories all happened within the past 2 - 3 years. I believe when the quality was getting better (my opinion of course).

Anthony Doyle - 19 years jail for 2 murders/meth
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=105511

stephen williams - killed child after meth binge
http://masseynews.massey.ac.nz/magazine/2005_Apr/stories/cover-1.html

stephen williams sister - kills partner while on meth
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/location/story.cfm?l_id=316&ObjectID=10359252

william dwane bell - killed 3 people
http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/Data/bellwilliam.htm

Antonie Dixon - chopped off hand, killed another person
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10117138

James Junior Lawrie - killed 2 people for money
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=605&ObjectID=10333068

Graeme Burton (current news..)
http://www.xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11964-6779403,00.html
 
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In regards to violence and crystal:

1. it's probably only a small amount in relation to violence caused by other drugs

2. probably being committed by a smaller group who possibly have underlying psychiatric problems and/or have been using drugs for quite some time and are using drugs *alot*

3. probably related to polydrug use e.g. inexperienced users who do stuff like take crystal then go out and drink a keg of beer

my two cents worth. but yeah when I was in NZ I heard alot about the samuri sword story, that seemed to be all people could talk about when you mentioned crystal. media beat up? sure, storming the streets with a samuri sword is seriously fucked up but how often is it occuring?

(sorry if this doesnt make sense, too much caffeine)
 
a friend of mine i went to high school with murderd someone while he was on ice. He stabbed him to death in his own home. He is only 20! he then tried to kill himself (self inflicted stab wounds) and went to hospital in a coma. now his awaiting his trial.

He was never the violent type in high school, just a bit of a stoner kid.. funny tho & such a nice guy. I mean it when i say you would NEVER in a million years expect this from him. I wouldnt believe it when i was told, i just couldnt. it was just the saddest thing ive ever heard.

and this is why i fucking hate the drug with a passion
 
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The problem is the surges of adrenalin you can acheive on the drug. Anger is easy to induce on the comedown. Let's just say someone has a delusion or even fact about someone either fucking with them, or fucking their girlfriend or something like that. The user would storm to the victims house, and start bashing him. The victim would respond by trying to protect himself, but the ice user would go all out, and go into a more animal mode of protecting themself and destroying their enemy then the non ice user.
 
Unfortunatley I have been using ice for some time now and recently have had some very scary moments while on the drug. Im normally a very softly spoken and non violent individual. I find myself after a 3 or 4 day binge to get very angry and pissed off at the drop of a hat. It pisses me off because I see things so clearly that when people dont agree with me or have trouble understanding me in the smallest of ways I think to myself that they are so fucking stupid for not having the common sense to see things they way I do. The other day I dropped a mate off home from work at 130am after being held up by our shitty boss. His dad was waiting for him outside when I arrived at his house and was very upset at him for being home so late. I never met this guy before and said to him that being as late as what we were was completely out of our control. He responded by saying something which I cant even remember but all I could hear was the tone in his voice. I'd been up for three days at this point and had my last shot (koota shot) 3 hours prior. I jumped out of the car and got right in his face and yelled "dont fucken talk to me like that cunt, I fucken said it was out of our control". This poor bastard shit. I mean all he was was a concerned dad worried about his son and I wanted to snap him. Everyone was telling me to chill and I couldn't, I had a rage in me and the confidence to take on the world. It's something I am not proud of doing.

I also have suffered from severe clinical depression for 3 years now (taking 225 mgs Effexor XR for last year). The other day (day 4 of binge with no sleep) while laying on couch at 4 in the morning wide awake I was able to recount all the steps of my life and came to the conclusion that my mother and brother were responsibe for the shitty reality of my life (which they are). I thought of every little negative thing that had happened to me over all my years, from being scared to come home from school cause my brother used to bully me too my mother not being there for me after my fathers death 3 years ago. I felt that I had totally rational thought at the time. I wanted to go around their house right then and there and kill them and cut their heads off. Fuck, I swear I could have done it too if they were right there with me. Luckily my thoughts of that anger and sadness tapered off to other things and I was able to put it out of my head. It was a really scary feeling. Like I said I have always been a kind, softly spoken and non violent individual. Luckily for me I quit my night job yesterday which was funding my drug habit, so I know I will be doing alot less of the drug now. It really is a demon drug ice.
 
This violence with meth is happening all over the world. Here is a reference to a father high on meth beheaded (cut-off his head) his son during a meth induced rage:

Over the past year, two separate methamphetamine-related tragedies have captured the public's attention. First, during the summer in New Mexico, a father, while high on methamphetamine, beheaded his 14-year-old son. Second, in Aguanga, California, in December 1995, three children - all under the age of four - were burned to death in an explosion and fire inside a mobile home believed to have contained an illegal methamphetamine laboratory

SOURCE: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/dea/product/meth/admin.htm

In 1996 a father stabbed his 14 year old son an estimated 60 times before beheading him along Interstate 40, east of Albuquerque, New Mexico. Suspect is under the influence of Methamphetamine.

In Fremont, California, a 33 year old man, while under the influence of methamphetamine and rum, scalped his girlfriend with a kitchen knife. He accused her of thinking about an old boyfriend. The suspect was sentenced to life in prison

SOURCE: http://sbi.utah.gov/narcotics/meth_concern.html

The above website link also lists about 25 incidents involving meth in the southwest US. GRUESOME.....8(
 
who_can_say: Yeah the samurai sword story was the butt of all jokes! I
remember someone wearing a t-shirt that showed a meth pipe a samurai
sword and a chopped off hand.

trancegirle: Thanks for sharing your story - it reminds me of the PCP
media madness in the day. When I first tried PCP all I kept thinking
was DONT PEEL MY FACE OFF AND FEED IT TO THE DOGS!!, I was gladly
disappointed when I felt mandrax was 10x more intense than weed soaked
in PCP. And yes seems like it can turn the humblest of all people into
a psychopathic tweeker.

Splatt: Too right!

my innerself: I never get violent or have those tendencies on anything
I take!(im the same person on any substance, as for madly grinding my
teeth, mine are flat lol) maybe its the many years of taking
substances? and my hippy folks? some of my mates refuse to go out and
trip on acid with me or do pills cos I make them laugh so much that
they get heartburn. One time a mate couldnt stop laughing and between
his hysteric laughs, he was saying, help! I cant stop!. Anchor point: I
just said his mother is damn hot and id like to bone her. Made him stop
straight away! lol the fundamentals of psychedelics.
Anyway, if you still like ice like I do, try making it an event!
example, dont take it everyday, try to limit it down a bit over time
and work from that. Nowadays I dont yearn for it, but when I do ill
binge on 1/4 or 1/2 gram over 1 - 2 days, then recover which I realise
takes about another 2 - 5 days to get that chem smell out of the pores,
and eating portions of good food, fruit and juices.

sciencedj: Thanks for that, yeah can get pretty gruesome!

Well done (in regards to media report today) Aus Police, pat yourselves on the
back. Progress!! ahem NZ Police, take notes and hook up with them
Aussies!!!

edit: taken from my prev post link/stephen will..
'..In Australia the community sampling of illicit drug users had been going on since the early ’90s, says Wilkins. Those surveyed were generally heroin users, but there were also methamphetamine users..'
Was thinking the difference with violent NZ ice users to not so violent OZ users, is the fact H was more prevalent in OZ before ice really kicked off - whereas in NZ I know from life experience Alcohol+Violence was a major concern here/NZ, and a few of the people that did end up killing for ice, were most probably previous heavy drinkers. Of course this is just my opinion.

also
'..Australia and New Zealand – two countries closely linked geographically and culturally – make an interesting contrast. New Zealand has a lower use of heroin and cocaine than Australia, but a higher use of LSD..'
Maybe thats where the paranoia vs pychosis comes from!! hehe.. Besides going to a house party here or catching up with friends, if you drop out a nice rock of coke, people tend to laugh and call you a pretentious tosser cum miami vice wannabee. We replace ice with coke, and call coke the poor mans lunch.
 
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my innerself said:
Unfortunatley I have been using ice for some time now and recently have had some very scary moments while on the drug. Im normally a very softly spoken and non violent individual. I find myself after a 3 or 4 day binge to get very angry and pissed off at the drop of a hat. It pisses me off because I see things so clearly that when people dont agree with me or have trouble understanding me in the smallest of ways I think to myself that they are so fucking stupid for not having the common sense to see things they way I do. The other day I dropped a mate off home from work at 130am after being held up by our shitty boss. His dad was waiting for him outside when I arrived at his house and was very upset at him for being home so late. I never met this guy before and said to him that being as late as what we were was completely out of our control. He responded by saying something which I cant even remember but all I could hear was the tone in his voice. I'd been up for three days at this point and had my last shot (koota shot) 3 hours prior. I jumped out of the car and got right in his face and yelled "dont fucken talk to me like that cunt, I fucken said it was out of our control". This poor bastard shit. I mean all he was was a concerned dad worried about his son and I wanted to snap him. Everyone was telling me to chill and I couldn't, I had a rage in me and the confidence to take on the world. It's something I am not proud of doing.

I also have suffered from severe clinical depression for 3 years now (taking 225 mgs Effexor XR for last year). The other day (day 4 of binge with no sleep) while laying on couch at 4 in the morning wide awake I was able to recount all the steps of my life and came to the conclusion that my mother and brother were responsibe for the shitty reality of my life (which they are). I thought of every little negative thing that had happened to me over all my years, from being scared to come home from school cause my brother used to bully me too my mother not being there for me after my fathers death 3 years ago. I felt that I had totally rational thought at the time. I wanted to go around their house right then and there and kill them and cut their heads off. Fuck, I swear I could have done it too if they were right there with me. Luckily my thoughts of that anger and sadness tapered off to other things and I was able to put it out of my head. It was a really scary feeling. Like I said I have always been a kind, softly spoken and non violent individual. Luckily for me I quit my night job yesterday which was funding my drug habit, so I know I will be doing alot less of the drug now. It really is a demon drug ice.
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I understand this.

Mate...I seriously reckon this has less to do with the Meth and more to do with the 4 days of no sleep. We sleep for a reason.

Ever notice in a binge if you lay down for 1/2hr you start to dream even though you're awake with your eyes closed? Its your brain taking this brief moment you've given it of no visual stimulation to sort through shit.

Even on a binge I like to take 1/2 an hr in the afternoon and turn on the fan lay down and have some closed eye time. I won't sleep....but it stops the craziness that follows from being up for so long.
 
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I understand this.

Mate...I seriously reckon this has less to do with the Meth and more to do with the 4 days of no sleep. We sleep for a reason.

Ever notice in a binge if you lay down for 1/2hr you start to dream even though you're awake with your eyes closed? Its your brain taking this brief moment you've given it of no visual stimulation to sort through shit.

Even on a binge I like to take 1/2 an hr in the afternoon and turn on the fan lay down and have some closed eye time. I won't sleep....but it stops the craziness that follows from being up for so long.
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mmm speed sleep. Thats the kind where you 'wake-up' (from never sleeping) still completely wired. So much better than when you truly get sleep and you wake up dead.
 
They did a national survey/project here in NZ called 24 hour party people, where youd txt/ring and theyll ask questions etc, I had a couple mates do it, but none of us has heard anything since, but hey! the govt paid them $140,000 per year for the project.

n.b. If anyone knows of the outcome of this survey, we'd like to know thanks :)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10126678

edit: including myself/did the survey.

I understand what you are saying, but violence is not just in the poor areas, example where I live as well as where the notorious ice areas are/eg graeme burtons house invasion - houses are in the $250,000 - $500,000.00+ market. It is actually a mixture of middle class and the poor, but mainly the middle class that take the substance. But yep there is a killer attitude for depression here!!
Also after travelling the world, living in london, the states, south africa. NZ and OZ is actually not too bad, except for the amount of ice/meth murders.
My mate is a straight edge vegan punk, and stays up for days doing computers/coding, with only drinking water, fruit, vegetables. Has to be the most sanest person ive ever met. Cheers.
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Ice psycosis is pretty much universal, too little sleep seems to make even sane people snap. NZ as a whole is alot more violent, period. It is why I now live in Oz (and other reasons). Oz generally have a happy go lucky attitude ( she'll be right mate!) whilst NZ often have a killer attitude to depression.

It is a generalisation but the poor see violence as a means of venting frustration. NZ is alot poorer than Oz.

If whitebait wasn't $100/kg we would all just sit around eating fritters, hitting the pipe and playing guitar.

You can't play guitar with only one hand.
 
So you stick to raping people and picking at the ice bugs? ;-)
 
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