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Ice: is it worth the high?

Timmmmmy said:
We need a Charlton Heston-esque advocate for crystal meth. (note distinc lack of gh3y slang!) Guns dont kill people, people kill people. and meth is no different...
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I'm happy to play that role, and one thing I can't do is describe the low points of meth addiction because I haven't 'been there'.
Why? Because I use it regularly (IV), but am not stupid enough to let it get out of hand, nor irresponsible enough to blame it on the drug.
It's not even physically addictive for Christ's sake, I have little sympathy for the self-proclaimed 'meth addict'
 
i smoked ice for a few weeks straight. the only problem i think with meth is it is such a irritable come down u natuarally just want more to stay high. if u dont smoke ice properly as well u can end up wasting half then u smoke. the only reason why people would be addicted is because they dont wanna come down, but like all stimulant drugs there is uaslly a come down so u just gotta deal with it and get on with life, instead of causnig a problem wit your family and friends. dont let the drug take over, u stay in control!!!!!!
 
My question is: if you don`t take it regularly and just consume like once every 2months or so, is it still that bad or is that considered a meth addict?, cause i find that when you eat normal and have your daily meals, breakfast lunch, dinner and get regular sleep and get to work everyday on time, eating healthy also excercise shows that you still in control of your life
 
Wow... what an old thread - have a scan of the first few pages, there's plenty of discussion on what addiction means and what causes it... also search this forum for the term "addiction" there was a thread or two recently where people discussed this issue.

BT :)
 
yeah BT, especially a thread started by Dirty Deed..... wonder how is he these days 8(
 
I have seen this drug absolutely destroy 5 close friends of mine. They had all been moderate drug users for years but this gear just took over their lives. They basically all went nuts. It was horrible to witness. I've tried it more than a few times and felt its teeth sinking in to me. I had to leave Byron to get away from it. This is not a harmless substance. It's bloody dangerous. Ask the Dr's at St Vincents their experience with patients presenting on ice.

Use at your own risk.....
 
Im all for decriminalizing most drugs, ie. weed, mushrooms, acid etc etc however ice/speed/meth/base should NEVER be aloud in society. Sure it can be fun but so many people get fucked up on it. I have lost 5 primary school friends on ice who before, were just occassional weed smokers. All they do now is sit around puffin on a crack pipe and think the the AFP is hiding in the bushes.

Ice has no place in society IMHO.
 
Strangley enough amphetamines, possibly the most addictive and dangerous, are the only legal drug on your list. :\

Sure they decriminalise cannabis is some states but they'll hand out amphetamines like lollies to any over active 7 year old.
 
Immortal Teknique said:
Im all for decriminalizing most drugs, ie. weed, mushrooms, acid etc etc however ice/speed/meth/base should NEVER be aloud in society. Sure it can be fun but so many people get fucked up on it. I have lost 5 primary school friends on ice who before, were just occassional weed smokers. All they do now is sit around puffin on a crack pipe and think the the AFP is hiding in the bushes.

Ice has no place in society IMHO.
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No offense but its because of that sort of attitude that drugs are illegal in the first place. All drugs have pretty major side effects when abused daily, but its solely up to the user to determine how often they consume their substance of choice. Personally speaking, I would find it very difficult to become addicted to meth. The reason for this is that after the effects wear off, the last thing in the world I want is more meth. My body feels wrecked, and I just want to sleep off the side effects, return my brain back to its normal operations. Actually the same thing applies to most drugs (excluding weed and alcohol) for me, in that after an intense experience, it just isnt something I want to repeat for at the very least another month. Usually though its a much longer break. This doesnt just apply to me either, most of my drug using friends are similar in their usage.

There's always going to be people who (for what ever reasons) choose to abuse a substance, regardless of the legality. Infact, if the use of such a drug was more socially acceptable (by non-drug users) maybe more people would be more willing to get some kind of help if they had an addiction, compared to now where many people are much less open about their drug use.
 
peaked said:
No offense but its because of that sort of attitude that drugs are illegal in the first place. All drugs have pretty major side effects when abused daily, but its solely up to the user to determine how often they consume their substance of choice. Personally speaking, I would find it very difficult to become addicted to meth. The reason for this is that after the effects wear off, the last thing in the world I want is more meth. My body feels wrecked, and I just want to sleep off the side effects, return my brain back to its normal operations. Actually the same thing applies to most drugs (excluding weed and alcohol) for me, in that after an intense experience, it just isnt something I want to repeat for at the very least another month. Usually though its a much longer break. This doesnt just apply to me either, most of my drug using friends are similar in their usage.

There's always going to be people who (for what ever reasons) choose to abuse a substance, regardless of the legality. Infact, if the use of such a drug was more socially acceptable (by non-drug users) maybe more people would be more willing to get some kind of help if they had an addiction, compared to now where many people are much less open about their drug use.
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Your missing my point entirely. You say that you PERSONALLY find it difficult to become a addicted. Let me tell you now you are a part of the very small MINORTIY when considering ice. That is the problem, so many people do find it addictive and do abuse it and do get fucked up over it. I dont think my attitude is the reason why drugs are illegal. I cant see any benefit of speed or ice in society. Pot is illegal for ridiculous reasons, and i understand mushrooms/acid shouldnt be handed out like lollies but they do not severely affect a persons physical and mental state. Sure, someone can get fucked up after mushrooms. But after a period of abstinence and analysis of the experience, most are able to overcome the bad trip/experience.

With ice, meth psychosis is by far worse in my opinion. Instead of learning and listening to their body and its crys for help, they consume more to feel normal, hence they fall further and further down the rabbit hole. Im sorry but for the few people like yourself that can enjoy the substance and withold its extreme addictive potential and avoid abuse i still do not think a substance such as ice deserves a place on our streets. Ice causes people to steal, incites violence and often completely destroys a person from the inside and out. Sure, heroin junkies are known to rob, steal etc, but i have not seen a heroin junkie go into psychosis, or have the SEVERE mental and physical damage that a meth addict has.

Anyway, im only discussing, not attacking your opinion but if you take a sample of the long term ice users and the rest of the drug using population im sure you will find the majority of the dark, depressed, evil and completely numb human beings will be the ones doing ice.
 
You say im part of a minority, but is there any concrete studies that show the majority of people who try / use meth get addicted? If such evidence exists then I stand corrected, though I'm just basing my opinion on the fact that, out of all the people I've met who use meth, none of them have been addicted, but rather just used it when out at a club or something similar.

Im not going to dispute that a meth addiction is highly damaging, but the problem is, people are getting it anyway. Same for all drugs. They waste alot of money on a hugely overpriced product as a result of the blackmarket, and this is solely the reason some resort to robbing in the first place. Whats worse, the money contributes to (in many cases) syndicates that use it to commit far worse crimes than just selling drugs. There is also no regard for the consumers health, from contaminations of a back yard lab, to the dealer that will continually push it to customers. There aren't any warnings (compared to say, ciggarettes with warning on each pack) about how highly neurotoxic the substance is, nor just how badly it can ruin a persons life. You could say the government has tried to warn people about the dangers, but by merely presenting scare tactics, users are likely to disregard the message.

Our society probably would be much safer if there werent any addicts to hard drugs such as meth, but the drug is so widely available, so highly sought after and so easily produced that it will never realistically be eliminated through prohibtion. The only way we are going to see a decrease in meth use is when drug trends change (as seems inevitable) and another drug will fill the gap. Instead of waiting till that happens and maximising the harm done to users, I think it would be better if we acknowledged the fact that this substance is widely used, and try to help those that consume it, by providing factual information about safety and the dangers of meth, and by providing a sterile, clean product, at a more reasonable price. And if the Netherlands is anything to go by, then legalisation won't cause a massive increase in drug use either.

I'm only discussing here too dont get me wrong, I just dont see prohibition as being an effective way at controlling drug use.

I'm sorry to hear about the damage meth has caused to some of your friends. I dont think banning meth is the right solution for this type of problem though. I concur with what BT said on page 1.

BigTrancer said:
Maybe it's the people that are ruining their own lives, by continually taking the drug, instead of exercising their willpower and using in moderation...?

BigTrancer :)
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Fry-d- said:
Strangley enough amphetamines, possibly the most addictive and dangerous, are the only legal drug on your list. :\

Sure they decriminalise cannabis is some states but they'll hand out amphetamines like lollies to any over active 7 year old.
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hmmmm. i wonder if i can pass as a 7 year old?... :D
 
randomblondeboy said:
ermmm....99% of people i know who regularly use meth do so to enjoy it on the weekends in moderation.

also, hate to bring up the meth/ice thing...but...its really starting to shit me, unless someone has test results comfirming 4-mar, can we just say meth??!
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Or until test results come in proving its meth can we say 'ice'
 
i dont know one meth user i wudnt consider an addict, and 4 sum ppl it only takes that one hit, thats u hooked, it was like that 4 me really
no it MAY hav no physical addictive properties (and i wud argue with that - my skin feels like theres wetas crawling on it wen im coming off it) but if ur prone 2 addictions uve got no chance
my experiences with ice hav bn slightly diffrent, i tried that long before the P craze hit over here and foiund it just 2 b like drinking a few Vs or sumthing
'P', pure methamphetamine, has a real rush 2 smoke esp, and tends 2 spiral ur brain off all crazy directions yet at the same time things r so bloody crystal clear
4 me i wudnt say its worth the high anymore, now theres a tolerance in my system and wen i tweak i just feel like ive had a coffee or sumthing unless i take sum whacking great amount and fuck wiv my nervous system rather seriously, theres no in-between euphoria anymore
if i can get thru this detox and take it again in 6 months time maybe i will re-experience that wonderful feeling but i cant imagine that at the mo
 
good lord.

There continues to be so many generalisations in people’s posts.
I think an important point is that you can’t look around your social circle and then extrapolate that what you’ve seen in yourself, friends, and acquaintances is ‘the norm’ across the rest of the population. If I went off what I see (working in drug&alcohol and mental health) I’d be jumping to all sorts of conclusions that drugs are bad, bad things that fuck people over.


Speaking with my drug and alcohol worker hat on (as opposed to be ‘user’ hat) my 10c is..

Meth can be used by some people recreationally, and with minimal negative effects.

For others it proves to be highly addictive and highly damaging.

Some of the concerns surrounding meth from a health/D&A point of view are:
  • the drug doesn’t have an appropriate reputation and so is not
    treated with the respect it should be (ie; with the equivalent respect and caution to something like heroin)
  • That physical addiction to the drug tends to creep up on people.
  • That those who do become addicted to meth suffer fairly swift, and serious consequences the most concerning of which include mental illness, involvement in violence or aggression against friends/family/society. (say as opposed to someone's who smacked out and goes on the nod in the corner, not bothering anyone else)


i'd like to see more awareness regarding the exact nature of this drug so that people can then be better informed and better able to manage it..
it's a drug that's creating some major headaches in some parts of the world, some particular subcultures and individual families, but if their was better knowledge i wonder if the situation wouldn't be improved..
 
For the amount of money you pay for meth i really do not think its worth it. For me to really enjoy a drug it must change my mental state quite dramatically like ecstasy and weed, your thought process is just totally changed from how you would think normally. Whenever I have had meth I just feel a little bit of euphoria and ultra focused but my thought process is still fairly similar to that as if i was straight so i don't see the point especially seeming the comedown is so harsh when its done fuck all.
 
I couldn't be bothered reading the whole thread, all sounded similar...
But I personally think Ice is shit, not bad, not addictive (though it's both of these things), just shit, and useless and I'd like to think I don't know how any one could get hooked because it's lame...

But

I hadn't touched it a couple of months ago, neither had my mates, both our sources are hooked and are fucking paranoid bastards. Any way we've done it because of lack of availability of ANY speed, my mates keep doing it every time we go out now, I don't know why, I'll have to have a word though!
I don't want to do it again but do it every other time it's around just to see if it will help me up, it might do but I'm not sold. It's shit! Yet they get it, and can't really tell me how it's good but they want it, that sounds like the start of an addiction.
 
well if u can take it and not get addicted, congrats, i wish i was u
i think its partly that i started doing drugs at 2 young an age
maybe if i was older and more mature i cud handle it but.....yea.....i cant so i gotta stop :(
 
I consumed Ice once in my life, about 3 moths ago. It was very nice to smoke, the actual smoking of it was very enjoyable. But the effects were OK, cant say much, i guess u probably have to really get into it to enjoy it to the max.
 
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