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Ice: is it worth the high?

BTW, I am not personally blaming anyone for my previous Ice addiction. It was my fault, and I always understand that when I divulge in a drug. But, many ppl don't have the willpower to keep in moderation. Like I said, for every you, there is ten other cunts playing the fool. And to look at todays society, not many be have the capacity for individuality. When someone see's their mate/s hitting hard on some nice drugs, most likely, they are gonna want to join in on the social activity. I don't really mind it if responsible individuals partake in it in a moderate manner, but a lot of young ppl who are susceptible to peer pressure. I just see to many young cunts frying out real quick. That's all. It's just a pity.....

Peace Out

Dirty_Deed
 
In many life situations, if you underestimate the risks, you get burnt. Ice is just one of them.
 
Just want to say I've seen the sort of situation that Dirty_Deeds describes and I can relate fairly directly to it.

I think many groups that are pushing "ice" are truely exploiting the weakness in some people to become addicted to it. Unfortunately, as Dirty_Deeds pointed out, there is a growing number of people who suffer from the weakness.

If the drug wasn't available, would they become dependent on it? I argue that it's a combination of factors, NOT just people.
 
It's good to see a balanced argument to all this :)

Peace Out

Dirty Deed

P.S: Fuck my last post was shoking, talkj about bad grammar...too much ganja |)
 
If the drug wasn't available, would they become dependent on it? I argue that it's a combination of factors, NOT just people.
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Well who really knows, they might just drink themselves to oblivion each night? Or gamble all their income, steal to support it (look how many 'upstanding citizens of society' do that, people emblezzing bank/boss/fellow worker funds etc to support their habbit. A lot of people seem to have addictive personalities (everyone??) in some form or other. It just depends how well you learn to see the signs of addiction and to what strength it could possibly be fucking your life up. Sorry for being abrupt, not having much time to devote to posting....

As the old saying goes "Denial is a beautiful thing"
 
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Another fear I have is that some ppl find injecting speed less dangerous than heroin, "so its okay". And these kinds of ppl will also inject Ice. This practice is VERY dangerous. You can overdose on Ice as easily as heroin. I have seen ppl hooked to injecting it, and I can only sayt they look a lot sorrier and more fucked up than H users. A H user is usually the shell of what they once were, a Ice junky is just shattered completely.......
 
Making broad generalisations doesnt help... like saying for every one thats okay, 10 fuck themselves up. Its just not accurate... and many people here use the drug regularly, so would know that.

But yep.. I think a serious addiction to meth or ice probably destroys a person more neatly than just about anything else. Funnily enough, smoking it is rated as being more addictive than injecting it (which smokers of it could believe).

I dont know that it does much good to say that one drug is worse than another when comparing it like that. Some people like uppers... some downers... people have different choices in drug. So to an ice user, regular heroin usage or addiction is probably a pretty remote chance anyway.
 
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Though a heroin user becoming a Ice user is not that unlikely. Seen plenty of skag heads turn to Ice. They fuck out real quick. This problem is most prominent in Canberra were a lot of junkies are turning to Ice instead of finding sparse amounts of heroin. Don't believe me, but damn a lot of junkies I used to know in canberra are all tweaking.....
 
I agree with the declining health of the scene, but the p[roblem is mostly coming from all the younger users.
Who here hasn't sdeen the same trend at open age raves and such. when i was 16 most of my mates and school ppl hadn't seen most drugs, if they ahd it was usually weed. Drug use was in a way a coming of age and maturity for a lot of ppl, society just seemdd to be a lot more pleasant.
Nowadays it's depressing to see all these sub18/17 yr olds becoming lil mindless high chasers.
It's the new cool trend for alternative ppl, getting fucked up, being hard cunts and being slags. ok fine if they were older i would say yea, their lives their chocie, but the fact is they are still lil kids trying to live up to the image, they don't have the life experience and knowledge (most) to be in control and to know whats right/wrong/scceptable. Their mentallity and personailty for life is corrupted and changed b4 they even have a chance to define themselves.
It's the new days of everything is ok and alright, bullshit, the generation to come is going to be full of people who went hard at 15-18, had a warped version of reality, void of real personality and individuality.
U would think wer'e living in the hard ghettos by the way they act.

My point really is dealers and users alike are in the frame of mind that hey anything goes, there chocie, but these young uusers are just screwing themselves up. It's addictive as hell, and sustsained use quickly changes a persons perpective self relience, at least pills stop taking affect after a while
What would u say/feel if it was ur offspring or bro&sis?

For sucha safe sheltered envirnoment that is australia, this new wave of rocks being trendy and growenly used is causing a lot of pain and well if ppl dun't smarten up the society as we knew growing up will be very different and tradgic.
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But yep.. I think a serious addiction to meth or ice probably destroys a person more neatly than just about anything else.
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Jakoz, what do you think constitutes a serious addiction, and when do you think alarm bells should be ringing? this has been a pretty recurrent theme in this therad, but no-one has gone so far as to define it...
 
Meth addiction and heroin addiction are two different things and cannot really be compared due to the fact that a heroin addiction is a very strong physical addiction. Meth addiction is a physical addiction but on a lesser scale. An addict with a bad heroin problem will feel extremelly sick with cases of death if a drug is not administered. An addict with a bad meth addiction will not wake up for literally days unless the drug is administered, with severe aggrevation and other relatively minor symptoms in comparison to a heroin addict in the following weeks/months.

On the mental side of things, which I think is what most people are interested in here, meth will destroy a person a lot faster. Many heroin junkies have normal jobs and relatively normal lives. They are rational people that know that if they don't work, they will not get their hit. They often lead relativelly healthy lives due to little negative side-effects other than physical addiction on one's health, and rarely act in an anti-social manner. This is of course only a part of heroin addicts.

Few meth addicts on the other hand fall in the above category. Overwhelmingly more meth addicts will lead a dirty, live-like-scum life style with severe phycological disturbances, distortions of the concepts of right and wrong and ever degradating health due to severe negative side-effects associated with meth abuse and addiction. There is a joke which nicelly summarises a meth junkie which should really deserve a thread of its own: "Q: What is the difference between a thief and a speed junkie? A: Both will steal from you, but a speed junkie will help you look for it."
To some this joke will seem funnier (sadder?) than to others.

To summarise the above, comparing heroin and meth is not a good idea because of the differences in the types of addictions and effects of individuals.
 
BT: I never made generalisation, but only highlighted the trend based on personal experience and second hand experiences and stated some facts. The trend is there, one should only look long enough to see it.

And to repeat a FACT which is very very important:

Heroin provided it is clean, is a drug with *almost* no damaging side-effects apart from a strong physical addiction and death from an over-dose possibility. Meth has numerous damaging side-effects including the resulting sleep deprevation and the effects of this, anorexia and most importantly psycosis. On the bright side of meth, the addiction can be beaten a lot easier than on heroin and death from an over-dose is a lot rarer.

The above are solid FACTS and yes these FACTS are based on generalisation which is called STATISTICS.
 
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is it just me or is everyone in here debating a point that was to a large degree moot in the first place?

your talking about general trends within broader society (crossing cultural, ethnic, and socio-economic demographics) when, in actual fact, these trends are probably non-existent. it is just your view, experience, and subconcious bias that is creating a percieved trend. you think this shit wasn't going on before you came around? bullshit. it's just you weren't there to see it.


as for the addiction debate, well that's a whole new thread. for my two cents i'll say psychologically meth is the second hardest addiction to give up, nicotine being the first.
 
I started this topic because of the recent popularity of ice. Sure it's been around for a while, but only recently has the supply and demand been so apparent that the media has latched onto it. The rise in popularity can not be dismissed. And with the growing amount of ravers taking this drug with addition to other chems, I can see a very damaging trend. I personally think ice and amphetamines are a waste of time because they have no real benefit. It doesn't allow for self exploration and it is generally an anti-social drug. I have never seen a drug turn someone into an arsehole so quickly in my life..........

Peace Out

Dirty Deed
 
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