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Ice and lsd = heaven or hell?

jsnake

jsnake

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HIHI, we're having a 'shardy pardy' at a mates house and this is finally my chance to dose on some lsd cubes. I've had both separately more than once, had good experiences with shard and some good and bad experiences with LSD. Thing is, I'm aware of the comedown consequences of shard, know how I am with them and I don't think it'll go too well with acid. I get like, depressed and kind of hopeless like things aren't going to ever get better, but for no real reason other than the comedown. I understand that at the time but it obviously doesn't make me feel any better. I've got a few options at my disposal: only dose shard, only dose LSD, dose LSD first and smoke the shard further down the line, space out all my crackies as I'm having the LSD so I never really come down. I'm gonna be at a mate's place in a secure, cop-and-bastard-free and I'll be with a mate I've known since '07, other than that I don't know who else will be there too well. They're good guys though from what I've picked up. Not sure if we're dosing at night or day yet.
I posted this cos I'm hoping to get someone's experiences with this mix. I've got a fair idea of the pitfalls and possibilities of this mix, can anyone share some outcomes with me?
 
Just be careful with how much of each you end up taking because from what I understand adding amp/methamphetamine to an LSD trip can make it take a more deliriant-like turn, which you may not find enjoyable. There's also the posibility of serotonin syndrome, so you may want to read up on that too.
 
i have only done meth a handful of times, but im a big stimulant person. ive used lsd and many other psychedelics with caffeiene, nicotine, amphetamine (adderall IR), methylphenidate (ritalin), cocaine and never had any problems, though these dont come with the crash of meth from what i understand. personally i'd be ready with some landing gear in case you encounter turbulence (benzos!)
 
Thanks for those links NKB, I had a look though them. They had some useful information, but the second one is more about Adderall, and crystal meth is light years away from dexies lol. A lot of the people who went into depth about their friends losing their minds on it seemed to have taken the adderall initially and then dropped the acid a few hours later, and from my perspective that's asking for trouble with any kind of amph. We'll be in a controlled, indoor setting, and I haven't really experienced paranoia or anxiety with acid unless I'm in a shitty environment. I'd probably take a cube of acid first, wait an hour or so for the kick-in, see how potent it is and if I'm in dire need of stimulation I'd probably follow up with a cracky or two. We're getting half a G of crystal to go round so if I do start to come down I can keep fuelling my buzz :) I think the major thing is keeping myself up and atom once I'm up, and if worse comes to worst I'm pretty sure we'll have some xanies lying around.
And peacelovedope, are you sure about the serotonin syndrome thing? Cos I thought that was only X that had that possibility, meth being dopamine centralized and all. I haven't read into it yet but I'm not planning on having a really high dose of either and I'm not a heavy user of shard or LSD anyway so I didn't think it would be a very high possibility. Thanks for the heads up.
 
Yeah make sure you've got some vallies or xannax on hand incase anyone gets uncomfortable/sketched. Just having them available just in case has an anti-anxiety effect.
 
As long as you stay 'up' I don't see any problems happening. Just try to remember even while your tripping to not let yourself come down just cuse your enjoying the trip so much. Have fun and tell us how it goes :)
This is a combo that from my friends experience's a personal opinoin on whether it is good or not.
 
So we're talking about meth right? I think there are at least 2 stims if not more, that are nicknamed ice so can I change the title?
 
peacelovedope said:
Just be careful with how much of each you end up taking because from what I understand adding amp/methamphetamine to an LSD trip can make it take a more deliriant-like turn, which you may not find enjoyable. There's also the posibility of serotonin syndrome, so you may want to read up on that too.
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I have heard this (increased delirium) as well, but have not personally experienced it. For me, amphetamine + LSD was an incredibly sensuous, euphoric and erotic experience, however, the psychedelia was significantly dulled (though still present) and the euphoric component exaggerated.

Also, to my knowledge no, there is not the possibility of serotonin syndrome, LSD is a 5ht2a agonist and has no serotonin releasing properties so there should be no possibility that the LSD will have any effect on the serotonin release from methamphetamine.

jsnake said:
And peacelovedope, are you sure about the serotonin syndrome thing? Cos I thought that was only X that had that possibility, meth being dopamine centralized and all. I haven't read into it yet but I'm not planning on having a really high dose of either and I'm not a heavy user of shard or LSD anyway so I didn't think it would be a very high possibility. Thanks for the heads up.
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You don't have to worry about serotonin syndrome, although it might be useful to know in general that methamphetamine does have significant serotonin releasing properties (I'm pretty sure) especially in comparison with amphetamine. It's no MDMA, though.

Have you ever mixed a stimulant with LSD before? My advice would be to try LSD with amphetamine before moving up to such a potent stimulant, but obviously that's not an option... I think the most important advice I can give you is to have some sort of anxiolytic medication around should things go haywire, specifically some kind of benzodiazepine.

Good luck and tell us how it goes!
 
I knew meth worked on dopamine and epinephrine transmitters, which probably explains the hypo and euphoric side to meth, and the serotonin probably explains the tingly shit i get off it sometimes, when i take a massive breath and it feels so god damn good, and the tingly neck feeling I love and the increased sex drive etc etc :D but what am I, a brain surgeon? I thought only MDMA was really associated with SS, and generally only in high doses with frequent use kinda thing. And I also thought LSD released serotonin as well, but it sure as hell feels like it runs a different department of my brain and neurology ain't my best subject so I guess I stand corrected.
Just to clarify, I thought I mentioned it a few times before but I'm talking about crystal meth and not 4-MAR, although I wouldn't mind getting some of that shit too for shits and gigs. I only read about it on Erowid and I haven't heard a peep about it in my life otherwise :/
I've read in a few of those links about Adderall kind of dulling the trip, taking the focus off visuals and all that (or speeding them up, depending on the account), or at least tainting the trip, and I really can't imagine a purified form of it produced in a clandestine lab being much better. And if having meth would take the focus off the psychedelic side of my night I think I'd pass on it, at least until I'm far enough in to know whether I'm gonna be tripping balls or not. Cos yeh, not sure about potency yet and I've really been hanging out for a proper trip for months. If it's decent shit I'll have some shard hours down when I need a pick-me-up, if it's dog balls I'll just start smoking 2 hours after when I'm well and truly meant to be fucked up. I'll stick by that and see how things go, and I'll get back to you guys in a day or 7 and tell you how things went :D thanks for all the info bluelighters best wishes happy trippin :)
 
The only 5ht2a agonist psychedelic that I'm aware of with confirmed releasing properties is aMT. Good luck and best wishes :)
 
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