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Misc Ibogaine Cures Opoid dependecy in 15 hours w/o pain?

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Recently i detoxed off of 130mg of methadone, down to 60, then took a 3mg drop and was dieing, couldnt handle it. Stopped medthaone all together and strarted shooting dope (something i hadnt done in 2+year)

i did this for 5 days with the intentions of doing it for a month to allow the methadone to get outa my system to then where i cud to go a detox and just detox off of heroin....

4 days of heroin use was BRUTAL i no longer enjoy the drug, i have no veins left, hands, arms, neck, feet, all gone so poking around for 30-60mins just to miss half a shot was not fun.

Anyway ive been reading about Ibogaine, or Iboga. I have watched seceral testimonials about this drug and its mircle cure for opoid addicition and withdrawl.

Apperently u have a very vivid trip that shows you what a peice of shit you are and then gives you a spititual awakening, during this time it completely heal the receptors and pathways in the brain that cause withdrawl leaving the patiant basically clean with no more then some leg cramps easily delt with via advil.


I want others opinions on this i for one and on probation so i cannot leave country for this or i would. But does anyone wana talk about this?
 
Depending on who you talk to, Ibogaine is either a miracle cure or a horrible experience that relieves neither withrawal symptoms or opiate addiction. I would tend towards the latter camp, although I don't think the theory of Ibogaine Therapy is entirely flawed (although I think Ketamine Psychedelic Therapy is superior in every way, chemically and methodologically) I think that it is undoubtably oversold- Ibogaine is something that a lot of people desperately want to believe in, people who have spent the $30,000 to go through it (generally on their parents/partners/friends coin) may be so desperate to believe that Ibogaine cured them that they indeed are 'cured' in the sense that they do not relapse, their body chemistry has the year long (plus) period that it needs to reset and they go on to live an opiate-free life.

Here's an negative article about Ibogaine from a reputable source (just so you see both sides of the argument):
http://www.heroinhelper.com/angry/ibogaine_experience.shtml

You're in a really tough position and, without trying to sound patronising, it's only natural that the pro-Ibogaine information that you've been looking at is going to sound like a gift from god. But the truth is that it isn't, even if it works there's every chance that the huge financial burden it will put upon you will do nothing to improve your life. Despite it all you are going in the right direction- making the decision to get off methadone is never an easy one and tapering onto a opiate with shorter withdrawals isn't in itself a bad idea- but heroin isn't the best drug to do so with, it just doesn't last long enough and when you're use to 60mg of methadone IV is really your only option. If your veins are shot you shouldn't do more physical damage to yourself- instead you could try tapering off methadone onto another opiate with a high oral bio-availability, if you're in the states Oxycodone could be a good option? I've seen people use Dihydrocodeine to taper off methadone, but this could be impractical if you can't get a good source of DHC (my friend got it prescribed by his doc).

You've got through cutting your methadone in half. Going on a 4-day detour doesn't undo the work that you've already done- hang in there and keep slowly tapering the methadone down until you are at a dose will make tapering over to oral oxycodone or even hydrocodone a feasible idea. If you can get the methadone low enough you can even taper on to codeine.

Tapering is tedious as fuck and having to taper on off methadone on to something else just so the methadone withdrawals don't drive you fucking insane is a fucking pain in the ass, but you're more than capable of getting through this. As I've said, you've come so far already- there's no reason for you to waste any of the work you've already done. Good luck and stay safe.
 
Methodone Taper --> Oxycodone --> Kratom --> Jump off or maintain with kratom, a pleasant experience.
 
Thanks for the advice,

I do not plan to go to a treatment center to obtain iboEDIT**(i CANNOT go to a treatment center, i am on sever probation not even being able to leave the state, the country they would just laugh), i plan to self-adminsiter it with a friend of mine who is a reformed heroin addict and now is a nurse, she agreed to take me through this and has herself heard wonder stories about this drug.

I need something more then just getting off opiates, my mind is fucked up. You count sheep to fall asleep? I imagen all the diffrent ways to kill myself. Im cronicly depressed and have given SSRIs and every other BS anti-depression bullshit a shot for 3-5 months of taking them at a time as directed. nothing has ever worked. i have never stopped wanting to kill myself, the only thing that keeps me here is the fact it would destroy my mother and my girlfriend but im in so much mental pain caused by traumatic incident one after another. Ive seen the police shoot one of my best friends in the back of the head and blow the front of his face off after he had put his hands up and sat on his ass. My best friend died in my arms from a OD, my father i cant even go there, i need something that will fix the way my mind works and ive given every therpay my best and my all and im still in this situation.

Maybe it is all just bullshit, but i dont see the downside of spending 400$ and having a scary trip for 12 hours when the reward could be so great.
Also im very farmiliar with, peyote, buttons, mesc, iaushca(or however its spelled) so im not to scared of the actual effects of the drug itself
 
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Drugs will never fix your problems, you have to do that. I think iboga is effective because it's a psychedelic and forces you to come to terms with the mental aspects. You won't take it and magically wake up later feeling normal, though.

There are no miracle cures for addiction and a bad life aside from deciding to make it better and acting on that.
 
I have serius issues bro, that arnt fixable by normal therapy we have here in the USA. im diagnosed sociopath with schizophrenic tendencies, i also grew up in a sicilian home in brooklyn and i have a criminal mentaly ive never been able to break. Just recently on intensive probation with a 5year cap for robbery i was selling enough drugs for the DEA to get wind and bust me with over 500 vials of K and i dont know the count grams in molly they found. There is something wrong with my mental processes and i need something to fix it or ill end up dead or in jail. Right now im looking at a long long long stint in Rikers Island and i would like to have it be a positive experince and not come out a career criminal
 
Dude you do not need to take Ibogaine or any other phycadelic. If I was you I would continue the done taper to down under 20mgs then get some short acting opiods like OC or heroin . It sounds like time may be working against you though how long do you got to do this in? To me it seems like getting off the opiods is top priority but only because of the jail term over your head.

Btw nearly every person I have read about doing the Iboga therapy has relapsed within 6 months same goes for the rapid detox.
 
Everybody can say that. Not to downplay your experience, but to respond to every suggestion "your just too bad off" makes me question why you would ask for advice in the first place. I think ibogaine is ridiculous, it didn't help the one person I know who tried it at all, they used IMMEDIATELY afterward, but you sound intent on doing it, so have fun.

Let me add that you have done well to taper on, but you seem so invested into the idea that ibogaine will help you, that it may very well, just becuase thinking it is gonna work will give you the will power to quit, but it will most likely just leave you disappointed. And it will NOT just stop dt's, not in 15 hours or 15 weeks. The "therapy" is nothing but a powerful psychedelic that the media(who know nothing about drugs) has made out to be some forbidden miracle cure, when it has literally no phsyical effects on the body, ergo no effect on dt's. Just think, if anything that even REMOTELY RESEMBLED a "cure" for addiction existed, it would be in widespread use.
 
although i've never w/d from heroin yet, i have from oxy and xanax. i would trip off shrooms or acid after a few days of abstaining, and it seemed each time i got put in my place because of the whole transcendental experience and spiritual connection. of course, opioid w/d is amazing with the help of a benzo, but a psychedelic was always fun in the right mindset.

if i was self-tapering, i'd do the methadone taper and trip off a psychedelic or even empathogen every few months to keep a more light-hearted experience in my mind. there's just something about doing only narcotics for long stretches of time that puts and keeps your mind in a dark place. but that'd be my personal preference (redundant?).

and if you're actually serious about stopping your drug use, just stick with tapering the methadone and don't get any other drugs involved. if you feel uncomfortable with cutting down your dose for the next week, you could maintain for one more week, but definitely cut down the next time. good luck.
 
Why are you all shitting on his plan to try ibogaine? It has had soem success with some peoplr, he is getting the material for relatively cheap, not spending 30,000 dollars on it. Stop being so pessimistic(sp?), i haven't heard any of you say that you had first hand experiancr with it, and there are alot of variables to account for in the efficacy of this treatment. Who knows it might work for him, if not than he can just go back to the traditional methods, i dont see the big deal here.
 
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if i was self-tapering, i'd do the methadone taper and trip off a psychedelic or even empathogen every few months to keep a more light-hearted experience in my mind. there's just something about doing only narcotics for long stretches of time that puts and keeps your mind in a dark place. but that'd be my personal preference (redundant?).

and if you're actually serious about stopping your drug use, just stick with tapering the methadone and don't get any other drugs involved. if you feel uncomfortable with cutting down your dose for the next week, you could maintain for one more week, but definitely cut down the next time. good luck.
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I just want to get through WD with it, i dont like heroin. 2 years on methadone i didnt use heroin once, i only have been using heroin due to the speed i need to detox off of 130mg before a major jail sentence.

I have infinite funds when it comes to heroin, if i wanted to shoot heroin i would be shooting it right now but i just plain dont enjoy it anymore, those 4 days sucked but withdrawal sucks way more.

Im curious to know if it will stop withdrawal symptoms that is my main concern
 
if i was self-tapering, i'd do the methadone taper and trip off a psychedelic or even empathogen every few months to keep a more light-hearted experience in my mind. there's just something about doing only narcotics for long stretches of time that puts and keeps your mind in a dark place. but that'd be my personal preference (redundant?).

and if you're actually serious about stopping your drug use, just stick with tapering the methadone and don't get any other drugs involved. if you feel uncomfortable with cutting down your dose for the next week, you could maintain for one more week, but definitely cut down the next time. good luck.[/QUOTE]I was far to sick at 57mg after dropping from in the 100's
which is why i switched to subutex, but you need to go 3 days without methadone to get onto subs and in this period i was shooting dope to stay well
 
"Im curious to know if it will stop withdrawal symptoms that is my main concern"

No, I am sorry, it doesn't effect physical withdrawal in the slightest. All it does is provide a powerful psychedelic experience, which has supposedly had some success with helping people not to relapse. But the common misconception is the same one you have; people think for some reason, that it just MAGICALLY STOPS opiate withdrawal. It doesn't, and nothing does, except more opiates, though that really isn't magic, now is it?

To me, it sounds like you just don't wanna dt in jail, and who the hell does? Unfortunately, ibogaine does NOTHING, ZILCH, FUCKING NADA for PHYSICAL withdrawal symptoms, so for you, it is worthless. No, I have never done it, but it is a psychadelic, I don't need to do a psychadelic to tell you, that you will still suffer a full withdrawal symptom afterwards. Please, believe me and read the TRUE INFO on it, and you will see, it can only help change your mindset, so please, don't have some former nurse give you a powerful psychadelic under the misguided assumption that it does something it is medically incapable of doing.

Also, if you are really in such a dark place, I find it to be a very, very bad idea to expose your mind to such a powerful, twisted trip.
 
i think why it works for some people is because they have such a horrible trip that they don't want to do any drugs every again
 
Ibogaine is on my list of things to try when I do eventually kick opis for good. Personally, I'd want to do it with at least someone I could trust who is capable of administering an antipsychotic if necessary if things got out of control. For future reference for when you're not on probation Canada and Mexico has accredited facilities that use ibogaine therapy if you got the money.

I don't get visuals when using hallucinogens, but I do get all the other effects.

Good luck with your attempt.
 
Iboga works, it simply does its job. It just doesnt work against your will. You have to be really fucking fed up with using opiates. I tried it. even if it was low dose, so i'm confident that high dose it works even better.
It works on the physical as well as the psychological side of the addiction. It diminishes withdrawal, it facilitates neural growth, is not only a psychedelic(a really atypical one) but its also a kinda nootropic it facilitates problem solving, it has also really good antidepressant effects for some days after the trip.

It is NOT magic.

It just gives you the so called "window of opportunity" Just a period of time of reduced craving, antidepressant action and post-psychedelic insight in which YOU HAVE to build a program of aftercare if you really want to be drug free. After a while this window just closes. You have to engage yourself in some satisfying long term activity, like a work you like or so, its better if you start doing some psychotherapy to solve the roots of youre addictive behavior(transational analysis works great for me) and you have to re-build your relationships, no matter how hard it is you have to have constructive friendships and partnerships.

Said that, if you follow a good program of self rehab and you got help from good people, ibogaine could really help you, it wont be easy but chances are for you. But if you miss even just one important step in your program, chances to stay clean and not relapse drop drastically.


NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT!!!!


P.S. I dunno if taking ibogaine is a great idea if you have schizophrenia, i really dont think so. But i dont know about it, so first of all take care of yourself.
 
it's great that you have a nurse to take you through the experience. any psychedelic would do, LSD/mushrooms/ibogaine. make sure you are both prepared. psychedelic therapy is most effective when A) the guide (your nurse in this case) has tripped before, B) it goes along with talk therapy, C) you may need several tries separated by 2-6 months. you will probably relapse a couple times, that's normal for any addiction recovery. but you can certainly help direct yourself to a better place with a psychedelic.
No, I am sorry, it doesn't effect physical withdrawal in the slightest.
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a lot of withdrawal (especially post acute WD) is psychological in origin, that is, negative cognitive/behavioral patterns we build and maintain. psychedelics are able to dissolve these aspects of ourselves, and then allow us to reconstruct ourselves with a more loving personality.

it's hard work, and takes a great deal of time and pain, to use psychedelics therapeutically. it's not like taking them for fun, at all. it's not a quick fix, and the drug has to work *with* you.
P.S. I dunno if taking ibogaine is a great idea if you have schizophrenia, i really dont think so. But i dont know about it, so first of all take care of yourself.
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this does make psychedelics extremely dangerous. if you don't do it right, you could bring up and maintain even more delusions.

but if you do it right, you could shine a flashlight in your head on all of those delusions, and then learn to properly deal with them...
 
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