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Iboga trip at home-Mom as a sitter

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I've been doing a bunch of research on Iboga/Ibogaine, and it seems like something I could really benefit from. No, I'm not addicted to drugs, but I am addicted/desperately attached to other things in my life, and I can just tell that I'll probably learn a lot from an Iboga experience.

I want to do it when I'm home from college this winter. I live with my mom, and it's not like I can trip for 2 days and not tell her. My mom, as somewhat a child of the sixties, is a very compassionate person and is accepting of drug use, as long as it's not destructive. She understands the potential value from tripping.

I want to ask her to not sit for me but to take care of me somehow while I trip. She would leave me alone for most of the trip. I'm not sure if I'll need that much attention.

What do you think? Is this too much to ask? Would it be weird? What should I ask her to do?
 
I don't think the ibogaine trip is specifically helpful with other addictions besides drug withdrawal-- because I think it interrupts certain mechanisms that cause the widtdrawl and that is why it specifically is useful.

And the rest depends on your relationship with your mother.
 
is ibogaine making a come-back or something?

i thought it like disappeared (never completely of course) quite a long time ago...
 
It sounds to me like a cleansing experience like ayahuasca with a big spiritual component and some sort of story being told with a message and reviewing of events passed as well as your state in life and perhaps in the world.
The character of the trip can be quite dissociative and also dream-like.

At least this is all what I've gathered apart from the effect on addiction and withdrawal. Physically cravings or withdrawal may be reset but psychologically as well by getting things like insights and closure that are most likely connected.

Just as a recap and my interpretation from what can be expected, taken from reports and info.

So a good question is: what of all these sides of iboga (or sides I have left out) is it that compels you to try this?

My first LSD trip was sitted by my father and it was not weird but it depends more on the nature of your relationship than anything else. If your mother or father is like an authority figure it doesn't seem like such a great idea. If you are more like equals, dealing with each others a little like good friends do rather than parents/children it's a better idea.
We can't judge that can we?
But how you describe your mother is kind of how I describe my father (also considering the matter of tripping or trip-sitting) so no objections really. Nothing other than the question: why? I would be hoping or waiting on a turning point in my life at the very least to take something like iboga.

I am actually on a turning point right now, a whole phase really of going in another direction. I am considering oral DMT + moclobemide as a guide at some point in the future.

Anyway if you are mostly curious, I would reconsider if I were you. The stuff can really have a huge impact on you and have lasting effects you don't mean it to have. Repeated iboga ingestion and/or higher doses sound pretty dangerous actually! Probably why people have taken it as a last resort.
Never mind the bwiti, they have a whole different set of cultural values and see this risk or danger as part of the initiation right. That it's part of their culture like that doesn't make it a good idea unless you have a good reason. :)
 
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Why is a good question. It's not out of curiosity or the thrill of something novel.

I feel like I'm at a point in my life (I'm 21) where I ought to review my life. I'm not exactly a healthy person physically or mentally. I have rheumatoid arthritis, recurring insecurity and depression problems, and I think I'm approaching the precipice of understanding why I have these problems--I would like Iboga to help me see these, remember them, and perhaps resolve them.

Though I'm not addicted to drugs, as I said in my first post, I believe I have some other compulsions that are pretty self-destructive. Namely fear-based thoughts, sugar (more addictive than you think), other foods, nail biting... hmmm. It's mainly the self-destructive thought patterns.

Also, I feel like I can't remember a lot of my childhood, which is sad. Maybe Iboga will help me remember and re-integrate important parts of my childhood.

I want to face life passionately and fearlessly, and I know that I'm not because of all these patterns and ruts I feel stuck in, mentally and behaviorally. I believe that opiate addiction is just one of those ruts that iboga addresses.

I'm at a point where I feel like I have a lot to offer the world, I just need to clear away a lot of shit before I do so.
 
I have had two experiences with ibogaine. Both were for psycho-spiritual growth. There is no other sacred medicine that can heal at the depths of ibogaine. I have experience with LSD, psilocybin, peyote, DMT, ketamine and ayahuasca. It is a 36 hour experience that will allow you to review your entire life - the good, the bad and all the rest. There is an incredible intelligence that is inherent with ibogaine - this intelligence is able to determine what you need the most to heal.

You can read my first experience here: http://www.ibeginagain.org/experiences/wordscannot.shtml

As far as doing it with your Mom as a sitter.... great question! Typically with ibogaine there is very little, to no involvement from the sitter. The "freak-out" factor with ibo is minimal to none. You are basically immobilized for the first 8 hours. Can't move - can't freak out.

I would highly recommend it for healing. It changed my life - for the better.
 
Whoa, did you join Bluelight just to answer my post? I'm honored!

Thank you for responding. I figured I wouldn't need that much attention. I guess I just want to make the situation of me immobilized, nauseous and tripping in bed with her cooking breakfast, running errands and working at home on her computer not be awkward or uncomfortable for either of us. We can stay out of each other's way, but we do live in the same house, and I have to tell her.

What SHOULD I tell her/ask her to do/not do?
 
I'd be interested to hear what happens if you do try it, though the safety aspects, as Solipsis mentioned, are a bit worrying. Have you considered, or tried, a more 'typical' psychedelic - mushrooms, LSD etc. - to address your issues?
 
Safety aspects? Hm? I'm not going to over-dose or do repeated dosings...

Yes, I've done more 'typical' psychedelics. Those are good. But I want to be thorough and profound, without question.
 
Well I don't know the drug/medicine first hand... and while the safety part can be more worrying than perhaps 'necessary' with careful supervision and a considerate approach with dosage you might say that it can be exhausting to say the least, but not with lasting deteriorating effect... cognitively/physically or otherwise.

That said I am interested in what other psychedelics you have tried, especially the ones that spell medicine as well.
LSD can be very therapeutic, mescaline even so but more deeply emotionally cleansing. In cactus form it may be qualitatively better perhaps.... Mushrooms illuminate a slightly different side and mushrooms + MAOI as well. And then there is ayahuasca and other I might be forgetting.

The aforementioned safety hazards change in perspective of extremely troubling problems in life that make it a sort of last resort. At 21 I ask myself, how troubling can your case really be?
Personally I would not aim for this kind of serious healing right away even if the user iboga recommends it, but if everything else fails does that make risks more negligible because you run out of alternatives?
And even then there is no reason to treat it less careful. Not saying that you are though but maybe you ought to rethink this and do a bigger dose of another therapeutic psychedelic and importantly: in another setting that supports analysis of your situation.

Honestly, I am tempted to resort to psychedelic treatment myself but I have had many trips and learned that one shouldn't rely on the work being done by such a session.
Again! I have not had iboga.

But still at 21 you really should explore other methods. I could hardly believe it if you'd say you have looked hard enough already. :)
 
I've done mescaline a few times, mushrooms once, DMT (no breakthrough though), acid a few times, salvia (again, no breakthrough) numerous times, LSA once, MDMA maybe 7 times. Oh, and Ayahuasca. (Afterthought? What?)

I've gotten a lot out of all of these experiences, especially Salvia, mescaline and DMT. And my first MDMA experience. Comparatively I've just dipped my toes in the psychedelic waters. This winter I plan on doing a few introspective Salvia trips and possibly one hippie-flip (MDMA+Mushrooms).

At 21, how troubling can my case really be? I'm really not one to be a drama queen, but if you took a good look at my brain (if this were possible), or a glance at the way the muscles have contorted and habitually contracted in my abdomen after years of conditioned emotional suppression and anxiety-driven breath-restriction, you would probably be disturbed. I know I have. Some days I feel normal and healthy, but when I take a clean look (my last mushroom trip helped me realize this), I really don't know how to be myself, use myself, operate my body in the way I want or the way it's supposed to function, or to be free. I'm very very sick, and the sickness is spread onto the emotional, mental, physical and spiritual planes. I have sometimes debilitating arthritis at age 21, but it also could very well be chronic Lyme disease. And if you know anything about that, it's often a life-altering illness/journey with a large psychological component. I would say spiritual.

I might say my addiction is to thought. And I've begun to see how thoughts can be abused, taken compulsively to numb emotions, fool the body into releasing endorphins or other neurochemicals that eventually get drained, forcing the sick mind to come up with other ways to feel secure, etc. It's not a pretty sight. Many times have I felt totally and utterly hopeless, heart-broken over the loss of my own life, because I had stopped living in it. I could elaborate deeper/more detailed than that, but I don't want to embarrass myself.

You know how they say that religion or ideology is the opiate for the masses? Well, it's 100% true.

I remember thinking on that mushroom trip, since I was in a social situation: Man, this would be *really* valuable if I were home, possibly alone, and focusing on my energies and my mind.

So maybe the hippie flip will be what I'm looking for. At the same time, it appears that Iboga is almost invariably a guided, deep, transformative experience, which particularly focuses on memory and the breaking of old patterns, both of which I'm really excited about.

I wasn't aware there were safety hazards associated with Iboga use. I would be doing it in the safety of my own home, in bed, without any obligations. I'd be eating healthfully before and after, and taking my vitamins.
 
I must chip in here to give my experience with ibogaine. It only helped me in the short term and in my opinion thats not worth it at all. Ive been an heroin junkie and 7 year methadone user. I used ibogaine root bark and i did a booster 2 times, on all occasions shitty paws hit me 3 weeks to 1 month later. We junkies just want to get rid of our addiction in an instance and wanting this ibogaine crap to work how we want it but sorry to disspoint you it does not do an ounce of good in the long run. If you are wanting to kill your withdrawals then you dont need ibogaine for that, just go to your doc and get yourself a valium or something, that'll cover the acute withdrawals, but if you lot are looking for help in long run then ibogaine will not do it, not worth it man trust me. I had one booster in south africa and on other occasions i did it with a sitter and all the times it was a horrible experience, and yes it did take the early withdrawals away but you still feel shit for months. If your a pussycat who cant handle some withdrawals then ibogaine might be for you but if your looking for a quick fix for the long run then dont waste your money, its expensive too. This sid looks to me like a shill. Dont go believing guys over the net. Meth junkies like me it simply wont do it, why would you waste money getting rid of the early withdrawals? you just need to sit home for a week or 2 and the withdrawals be out but its the paws after that you gotta worry about and if you take ibogaine for that then it will only postpone the shit. Would you trust a junkie over the net who says it does what they claim? hell no. I as anybody want to be off meth and i of all people have have taken ibogaine several times, but i dont want it to help only for the short term but long term too, that i did not get and i personally know others who relapsed too so that tells you its all a big shout for nothing. Dont fall for it guys, trust your own judgment, there is no way out, we gotta do it this our way and get the support we need, sadly ibogaine does not give you that all. I hated the experience and actually felt quite guilty i wasted so much money so many times wishing it would get me out of the paws, the sad and frustrating part is when you think your out of the woods and out of the paws the next few weeks you begin to realize all it did was posptpone it. Take my word for it guys and dont do it. You be better off without it and saving a shit loads of cash too. Am not completely bashing ibogaine but its merely for those who are long term grandaddy addicts who cant handle few days of acute shit but thats alll it does, get rid of the acute shit, the rest your simply wasting your time. Take it from me as a vetran of ibogaine user.
 
No experience can show you an answer. Living is a process, and only sustained effort and responsibility over your own thought patterns can help you grow. Not saying don't trip, it just seems to me that you've identified the problems you want to solve which means you're a good portion of the way to improving on them. There will never be a cathartic moment where you simply no longer feel the need to indulge in destructive patterns, you have to put in the work to break them.
 
Agreed

I too am addicted to thought and have let my own life seep through my hands. I also see myself in the emotional and spiritual degeneration you mention. I had a job but not in a field I love and also not in the field of chemistry I have an unfinished degree in, that at least challenges me.
Started to oversleep and suck at job (even though it's not hard for me, the level) and lost it at a moment I was gonna quit anyway, i.e. officially made a clean severance. Had to move back where I was born soon after.

The reason I am telling is that, like I said, there are some similarities with you although I do not have an illness besides chronic exhaustion and psychological/emotional/spiritual issues.

I haven't tripped in a little while and thought that it would be bad to continue with it in my situation, now I wonder if it's not a good idea therapeutically to take a medicine like oral DMT.

I am going to hold off though because I just started a kind of alternative therapy that is holistic meaning not only the rational is evaluated but also the emotional, social and spiritual are taken into account. Those are where I have really lost my bearing.
Don't know if you are getting therapy but even after my first of five intake sessions it feels like this is something I have been in need of for pretty long, structural help. To see what happened to me to make me feel so stuck and why my functioning is so chaotic and has become that more and more.

If you add to that what Michael Watts said, that it's not reliably a quick fix for things, you may look at iboga a little differently. I get that you would want to give it a shot, but my opinion is that there are a lot of other things to try for help first.
Yes I was interested to know what psychedelics you have tried but my earlier advice was specifically to take one of these classic psychedelics in a good strong dose but purely as a therapeutic experience with necessarily someone as a guide to aid going through these issues, otherwise it is much harder to anchor and guide what you go through. Writing down what is wrong underneath and finding an action plan to structurally improve your situation is what I believe helps. This also sounds like an echo of this post above mine. :)

If not psychedelic therapy, do the same with a therapist sober. It's not catalyzed but all the more anchored and guided.
 
MichaelWatts said:
I must chip in here to give my experience with ibogaine. It only helped me in the short term and in my opinion thats not worth it at all. Ive been an heroin junkie and 7 year methadone user. I used ibogaine root bark and i did a booster 2 times, on all occasions shitty paws hit me 3 weeks to 1 month later. We junkies just want to get rid of our addiction in an instance and wanting this ibogaine crap to work how we want it but sorry to disspoint you it does not do an ounce of good in the long run. If you are wanting to kill your withdrawals then you dont need ibogaine for that, just go to your doc and get yourself a valium or something, that'll cover the acute withdrawals, but if you lot are looking for help in long run then ibogaine will not do it, not worth it man trust me. I had one booster in south africa and on other occasions i did it with a sitter and all the times it was a horrible experience, and yes it did take the early withdrawals away but you still feel shit for months. If your a pussycat who cant handle some withdrawals then ibogaine might be for you but if your looking for a quick fix for the long run then dont waste your money, its expensive too. This sid looks to me like a shill. Dont go believing guys over the net. Meth junkies like me it simply wont do it, why would you waste money getting rid of the early withdrawals? you just need to sit home for a week or 2 and the withdrawals be out but its the paws after that you gotta worry about and if you take ibogaine for that then it will only postpone the shit. Would you trust a junkie over the net who says it does what they claim? hell no. I as anybody want to be off meth and i of all people have have taken ibogaine several times, but i dont want it to help only for the short term but long term too, that i did not get and i personally know others who relapsed too so that tells you its all a big shout for nothing. Dont fall for it guys, trust your own judgment, there is no way out, we gotta do it this our way and get the support we need, sadly ibogaine does not give you that all. I hated the experience and actually felt quite guilty i wasted so much money so many times wishing it would get me out of the paws, the sad and frustrating part is when you think your out of the woods and out of the paws the next few weeks you begin to realize all it did was posptpone it. Take my word for it guys and dont do it. You be better off without it and saving a shit loads of cash too. Am not completely bashing ibogaine but its merely for those who are long term grandaddy addicts who cant handle few days of acute shit but thats alll it does, get rid of the acute shit, the rest your simply wasting your time. Take it from me as a vetran of ibogaine user.
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A friend of mine and his wife told me how they took Ibogaine twice to try to get off of heroin and how it didn't work for them at all.

They eventually did get sober from H.
 
This thread was not intended to be a "should I take it?" thread, and I hope it remains so. I've made up my mind--this thread is for questions surrounding the set and setting.

Solipsis- I've taken Ayahuasca- it was very profound, but not as *personal* as I wanted it to be.

MichaelWatts- If you read my posts, you'll see that I'm not in withdrawals, and I'm not looking for a quick fix or an easy out.

I do think I have a pretty good grasp on what my problems are--I just want a thorough catalyst to help me through them. I'm aware that the work that needs to be done is my own, not of something outside of me. Hence "catalyst."

Thanks for everyon'es input.
 
That's good to hear. Don't you think a 36 hour run is a bit extreme then? Perhaps several smaller sessions over time with another psychedelic so you can have "check-ins" with your progress and motivations?
 
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