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Opioids I WILL NOT IV! what is the next best ROA for hydromorphone (Dillies)

buttershots21

buttershots21

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Title says it all. I do not touch needles, I'm in withdrawals, and I know the oral BA sucks. I usually snort, but am wondering if plugging these will give me better results than snorting them. Thanks. they are on their way and I don't want to waste them with useless experiments. The only thing I've ever plugged was morphine, and since I was working with ER formulas, didn't do much.
 
Well, I got a total of 5 4mg tablets, I plugged 4 of them, waited about a half hour, and I'm feeling it but not as great as I hoped it would be. Not gonna lie, it's been a horrible day and I was really hoping to catch a decent buzz off of it, but my tolerance isn't going to allow me to apparently. I just got done snorting the last one, so I'll check back in an hour or so and update. On the plus side, it doesn't seem to be any worse than snorting them, and it's nice not having to deal with a massive amount of powder up my nose. Oh, how I wish I had a handful of the old school Opanas right about now, that would be heaven! I hope it makes up in legs what it lacks in the initial come up or that it just hasn't hit me full force yet.

As far as being cleaned out down there, I've had a movement three days in a row, which is unheard of for me, I'm usually lucky to have one a week. The last one was about an hour before I plugged, so I doubt there is much in there to interfere with the absorption of the drug!
 
Yeah plugging is the next besr roa for dilaudid. Your tolerance must be too high for a nice buzz but you did those the best way possible wirhout iv.
 
well if its just IV u dont want to do, meaning intraVENOUS, then u could try IM, which is a muscle shot, but ull still need a rig
 
^ I'm guessing he doesn't wanna touch needles.

Normally I'm also quick to recomend rectal dosing as a safer alternative to IV/IM, but hydromorphone is known for it's highly variable (and low) rectal bioavailability. This is one of the few opioids your probably better off snorting then plugging as it's more consistent person to person. Insufflation works great for hydromorph, but snorting pills does suck. OP, you did you make sure to clear your bowels before plugging? I assume you didn't just stick the pills up there either right? Just checking lol.

Rectal administration of hydromorphone has been evaluated in healthy adults and found to have low bioavailability (33%) with wide interindividual variation (10–65%).[6,7]Factors potentially influencing rectal bioavailability include poor absorption from the rectal mucosa because of high ionisation, small rectal surface area, slow release from the suppository, reduced contact with the rectal epithelial tissue, and first-pass elimination.[6]
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Mean (% coefficient of variation) bioavailability of intranasal hydromorphone was 54.4% (34.8) and 59.8% (22.1) with and without pretreatment, respectively.
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http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/493398
 
RedHandedDenial said:
well if its just IV u dont want to do, meaning intraVENOUS, then u could try IM, which is a muscle shot, but ull still need a rig
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Can you IM those pills safely? Assuming they are properly filtered? I was under the impression that IMing any pill at all was extremely dangerous? Are hydromorphone instant release pills different?
 
doing any pill is dangerous, but people do it anyway. the risk is pretty low im sure as u dont hear much about people who IM and lose a limb.
 
i agree with u, but some people just think IVing is worse because it is associated with junkies, and just a general state of having to get all u can get out of something, and being such a fiend that you would go so far as to mainline it. Where as IMing is just a quick punch and shoot instead of mainlining it, a lot of people look at it the same as snorting or plugging. I mean, whats really the difference between plugging or IMing, other than with one you use a syringe without a needle and the other with a needle? I think there is just a stigma associated with needles and honestly I don't really understand it. IVing isnt always a bad thing if you're careful and not nasty about it
 
Yup with you on the needles they freak me out, I would much rather plug anything. ^same goes for plugging but For some materials IV when done properly seems to be least damaging to the body IV heard.
 
I would snort to get consistency. Plugging would be more ideal but it ranges VERY widely with consistency, I've gotten wayyy better highs plugging, and then the next time (using the exact same method) I got a wayyy worse high.
Worth a shot if you have some time on your hands to make sure your administration is perfect, with snorting you may want to check out a nasal spray method as mentioned above, that may aid in bioavailability.
 
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RedHandedDenial said:
i agree with u, but some people just think IVing is worse because it is associated with junkies, and just a general state of having to get all u can get out of something, and being such a fiend that you would go so far as to mainline it. Where as IMing is just a quick punch and shoot instead of mainlining it, a lot of people look at it the same as snorting or plugging. I mean, whats really the difference between plugging or IMing, other than with one you use a syringe without a needle and the other with a needle? I think there is just a stigma associated with needles and honestly I don't really understand it. IVing isnt always a bad thing if you're careful and not nasty about it
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I do agree there's a stigma against needles, but if we're being honest there's a huge difference between rectal and IV/IM. Rectal dosing doesn't carry the risk of abcess nor do you have to worry about collapsed veins and that in itself is a huge jump in safety. There's also the absence of trackmarks and the ease of aquiring and disposing of oral syringes safely vs a needled syringe, along with other avoidable stuff like disease from sharing needles etc...

Alot of problems associated with IV or IM use can be avoided through proper technique, but there's no denying that these two ROA's carry some risks and nuisances that rectal dosing doesn't. I still think the stigma against IV use but the acceptance of IM silly and without merit though, it can be argued that IM use is even more dangerous. If it makes people feel better about their drug use then who am I to rain on the parade... just be smart about it.
 
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