swilow
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^Thats it decided then...
Explains Nausea at least.......
Explains Nausea at least.......
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I.V mescaline (synthetic HCL)
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This is the current standard for measuring blood pressure; only cm/mg is less specific since the standard number blood is read in is mm/Hg or mm of mercury. So they're talking about increases in regular blood pressure numbers from 10-60 (mm/Hg).
A pressure measurement used a lot, to be 'relative' to atmospheric pressure is 1 bar (I.E. 2 bars is twice atmospheric pressure, this occurs at 11m of being underwater).:D
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a clean extract is clear/white. with advancements to home chemistry i'm surprised cleaner extracts aren't making the rounds
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Yeah, I skimmed over cm/Hg thinking it was mm/Hg and thought to myself that 1-6 difference in mm/Hg is a typical response for me with going to say the doctors (I'm assuming a typical response to most anxiety inducing situations, but I of course never test my blood pressure really besides at the doc, or by the docs request). That large of an increase is something to worry about if you have even high-normal blood pressure (130-139 systolic over 85-89 diastolic).
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Second what psoodonym had to say. Everything I have read/heard indicates that Mescaline i.v isn't gonna be a great experience. I would be quite wary, in that mescaline still has some murky pharmacology, and the fact that even 100 mg is a bit of material, and even just as a substrate for MAO who knows what downstream effects might occur. I think the gradual (beautiful) come up allows for an easier transition, in that it feels quite sedate but I can imagine an instant come up would feel pretty stimulated and uneasy.
Try rectal! *Should* be twice as potent, and would still allow for a little more time to adjust. I have been wanting to try this, but I have found precious little info on rectally administered mescaline, save for a few semi-botched and semi-successful attempts with extracted gunk. Let us know!
sedative? i've found pure mescaline to be anything BUT sedative. mescaline is incredibly stimulating to me, too stimulating in fact it makes me very uncomfortable. this is coming from someone who got his start eating raw cactus then drinking teas many years ago. all those years of taking mixed cacti alkaloids w/ mescaline painted a false picture about mescaline for me. when i began taking a/b extracted mescaline hcl i was shocked at how speedy it was.
amanitadine
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^^^Quite the opposite for me. I do have some central stimulation (slightly elevated pulse, slight BP elevation) but I find the high to be wonderfully relaxed. I usually spend the whole trip reclined, either in bed, or better, out in the wilderness in a comfortable hamster nest watching 4 dimensional dreams unfold around me. Un-beatable :D I find the other 2Cs way more stimulating, save for 2C-C. Most of my experiments over the past 15 years have been with synthetic mescaline HCl. I did find peyote even more sedating and fuzzy, but I have never taken a trichocereus so I can't comment there.
Mescaline is at the top of my phenethylamine list. In fact, I realized the other day that for the 2 carbon phens I like them best in order from weakest to strongest ( there are exceptions, and my mood changes.....)..and in terms of stimulation......I don't particularly care for the 2C stimulation
Mescaline > 2C-D >2C-C> 2C-T-7>2C-T-2>2C-B>2C-I>2C-E.. (never did 2C-P)
and true, 2C-T-7 is probably more potent than 2C-B, but i always loved 35 mg oral, and I usually wouldn't take 2C-B more than 32-34 mg as I would get nauseous. ...so my inverse potency and /ranking scale is a little fucked up....... I also would really like to see how 2C-EF and 4-thiomescaline fit into this scale (I have this latter one but haven't tried it yet).
Cheers
Mescaline is at the top of my phenethylamine list. In fact, I realized the other day that for the 2 carbon phens I like them best in order from weakest to strongest ( there are exceptions, and my mood changes.....
)..and in terms of stimulation......I don't particularly care for the 2C stimulationMescaline > 2C-D >2C-C> 2C-T-7>2C-T-2>2C-B>2C-I>2C-E.. (never did 2C-P)
and true, 2C-T-7 is probably more potent than 2C-B, but i always loved 35 mg oral, and I usually wouldn't take 2C-B more than 32-34 mg as I would get nauseous. ...so my inverse potency and /ranking scale is a little fucked up.......
I also would really like to see how 2C-EF and 4-thiomescaline fit into this scale (I have this latter one but haven't tried it yet).Cheers
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poopstation
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oh yeah in that regard i would have to agree, the high itself is relaxed. but the central stimulation is uncomfortable for me, the stimulation is hard to me to work through most of the time. but you're right the high is relaxed, not tweaky at all. it's just the physical aspect that gets me. much the same with MDA. MDA is uncomfortably stimulating to me but the high is the complete opposite, a stoney relaxed trancy type of trip. mdma on the other hand is so much easier on the body. when i take mdma in conjunction with mescaline hcl or even mda, i feel my body loosen up considerably. my tense muscles begin to loosen up a lot thanks to the mdma, to the point where i can stretch out and pop my joints at times.
i just feel a lot of bodyload (tension due to stimulation) from mescaline and mda both, they are quite similar in a lot of ways to me. it's just that one has a spiritual/healing/profound feel to it (mescaline), the other a more recreational/draining/kinda confusing headspace to it (mda).
there was a guy on another forum who used to iv mescaline and absolutely loved it, but he was a regular meth user also and iv'ed that too. so what i'm getting at by sharing that, is that he would be used to excessive stimulation being that he was a regular iv *ampehtamine user, but to the average joe, iv'ed mescaline might be uncomfortably stimulating.
i've read a lot of trip reports on iv'ed mda also. sorry to jump back to mda but i find it to be remarkably similar to mescaline in many aspects. the mentality is very different, but the effects aside from that are much the same, the "mind's eye" style hallucinations, and how they both transport you away to different places. the main difference is that one leaves you in awe and the other leaves you in awe with a good bit of confusion as well lol. so anyway, people who iv mda report an incredible stimulation at first, to the point where their whole body shakes, they begin pouring sweat, and are immediately transported away into whatever their trip is. the trip always seemed to last 1-1.5 hours according to reports and then they come back feeling mainly sober with increased stimulation that slowly eventually tapers off. so i would expect mescaline's duration to be much shorter using iv in comparison to orally. sure you can compare mescaline vs mda and say that the durations are different, but to me they're not all that different in duration. moderate mescaline trip vs moderate mda trip is about 6 hours. strong mescaline trip vs strong mda trip is 12-20 hours for me. the main difference in the "strong" dose was that i'll never again eat that much mda at once, the mda left me so exhausted i could barely even feed myself the next day.
i just feel a lot of bodyload (tension due to stimulation) from mescaline and mda both, they are quite similar in a lot of ways to me. it's just that one has a spiritual/healing/profound feel to it (mescaline), the other a more recreational/draining/kinda confusing headspace to it (mda).
there was a guy on another forum who used to iv mescaline and absolutely loved it, but he was a regular meth user also and iv'ed that too. so what i'm getting at by sharing that, is that he would be used to excessive stimulation being that he was a regular iv *ampehtamine user, but to the average joe, iv'ed mescaline might be uncomfortably stimulating.
i've read a lot of trip reports on iv'ed mda also. sorry to jump back to mda but i find it to be remarkably similar to mescaline in many aspects. the mentality is very different, but the effects aside from that are much the same, the "mind's eye" style hallucinations, and how they both transport you away to different places. the main difference is that one leaves you in awe and the other leaves you in awe with a good bit of confusion as well lol. so anyway, people who iv mda report an incredible stimulation at first, to the point where their whole body shakes, they begin pouring sweat, and are immediately transported away into whatever their trip is. the trip always seemed to last 1-1.5 hours according to reports and then they come back feeling mainly sober with increased stimulation that slowly eventually tapers off. so i would expect mescaline's duration to be much shorter using iv in comparison to orally. sure you can compare mescaline vs mda and say that the durations are different, but to me they're not all that different in duration. moderate mescaline trip vs moderate mda trip is about 6 hours. strong mescaline trip vs strong mda trip is 12-20 hours for me. the main difference in the "strong" dose was that i'll never again eat that much mda at once, the mda left me so exhausted i could barely even feed myself the next day.
sweatloaf13
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I believe you are referring to Tramp poop at that nocturnal emissions site,and he was indeed incredibly enthusiastic about IV mesc and even claimed the rush could bring on a spontaneous orgasm quite frequently. He even "binged" on it a few times and raved about how incredible it was. The doses were(obviously)much lower,half I believe but don't quote me on that. He loved his meth and MDMA IV but he claimed mescaline was IT. a holy grail so to speak. I believe he used cactus extracted product and he has a good writeup at the same location. He/she(he referred to himself as a she)highly reccomended it. He moved on from IV meth to smoking the FB oil which he claimed had a 'special' taste but he also used to say at the end of a cook when he was impatient he'd dip that rig in the water layer and draw up a hit so....take it as you wish!
sweatloaf13
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Here is a snippet of what (s)he said....pardon the SWIM's:
Posted On: Nov 07 2006 At: 19:04:13 | Reply Link
written after being on the stuff for about 16 hours...
Quote:she�s flabbergasted and stunned into a state of utter speechlessness.
time and time and time again, she�s said that pure mescaline HCl in crystalline form is better than powder of any stripe�
the drug she consumed last night was the strongest hallucinogen she�s ever used. She cannot begin to recall all the times she�s tripped on mescaline.
this batch is Special.
all these hours later� she�s still tripping. how long now? 16 hours, maybe?
its going to last a full 24.
it was smooth as the glass in which we constructed the Matrix� utter absence of body load (except the yummy parts�)� it was pure mind and soul� 100% immersion into the
One.
color. mescaline is the most colorful of all drugs except possibly dmt.
somewhere near the peak, she took two massive rips off the DMT bong. She puked a little but barely remember it.
the two most colorful of hallucinogens� the one with the shortest duration and one of the marathon duration drugs..
they meshed seamlessly, each contributing it own characteristic color but combining to create something Unique.
the mescaline pipe.
this is how you extend the stuff indefinitely.
in order to truly appreciate what the pipe has to offer, one must already be on the drug to begin with.
when you are already tripping balls and you hit that pipe, it hits you just exactly the way DMT does� total immersion into hyperspace�
only this is mescaline hyperspace, not dmtspace. it is as sudden and as vivid as DMT only it is mescaline at Warp 12.
it becomes like crack.
PedroCrack.
but unlike cocaine, this stuff lasts for ages.
if you hit that pipe every so often� every 4 hours or so� you never have to come down. no data on tolerance yet�
she needs to come down but this is sooooo good.
so swim finally passed out around 5 yesterday afternoon. Swim was still tripping then but did go to sleep. When swim woke up this morning, he was down. This stuff is just insanely potent.
Swim did 500 mg, 140 mg intravenously and the remainder rectally.
Swim doesn�t have entirely good data on the threshold dose as he had problems injecting the stuff. It was mixed at 700mg/gram --- just shy of the saturation point of the drug. The material was very thick and his vein withdrew from the needle as soon as the drug began to hit. By this time, he was tripping so hard that swim could no longer operate the syringe. He could no longer see clearly, so in the interest of his own safety, he aborted the remainder of the injection, broke the needle off and put the remainder of the shot up his ass. Within 20 minutes, he was tripping harder than the peak of previous mescaline experiences.
The guys who took theirs orally reported that it began kicking in within ten minutes of using it.
The shit behaved the same as crude mescaline in that it came in waves only the magnitude of psychedelic immersion was many orders of magnitude greater than anything swim has experienced with mescaline previously. It was almost as intense as DMT at the peak.
yes, and DMT and mescaline mesh perfectly. The DMT made swim puke after the second massive rip off the bong but SWIM barely remember it.
smoking mescaline works. But like swim said yesterday, it doesnt give you the full expereince unless you are already on the stuff.
mek crystalization is the way to go with this drug. Those who fail to make use of this technique are going to rob themselves of the opportunity to experience mescaline full strength.
the drug we are in possession of is not even the same shit as normal brown/tan mescaline HCl.
this stuff is better than LSD. lasts much longer without having to be extended by amphetamines. it is very nearly as strong (in terms of how far out there it takes you...) as DMT.
its easy to make. boil your crude in mek. shove it in the freezer. collect crystals. thats all there is to it.
everyone complains about how hard it is to find LSD. who needs it??? this shit is better and we do not need a criminal organization to dole the stuff out to us for profit when and where they see fit to show up and collect our money.
ANYONE can make the same stuff that we made with a minimum of effort.
And.....
swim like either IV or rectal. both avoid stomach problems entirely. iv is rough, it takes a big shot and the come on is radical...
shit rushes. hard. but not sexual like meth so it isnt addictive.
500 mg dissolve in enough distilled water to make 1 cc of liquid administered rectally is the way to go as far as swim is concerned. it is a very tiny amount of liquid so it is in no way even really noticable, much less uncomfortable... the only bad thing is that onset is sometimes unpredictable... anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour to kick in... many times, though, it kicks just like slamming it...
regardless of onset, it carries no stomach load same as IV injection... swim uses it for this reason as he has grown weary of injecting much of anything these days...
fun stuff!!!
Posted On: Nov 07 2006 At: 19:04:13 | Reply Link
written after being on the stuff for about 16 hours...
Quote:she�s flabbergasted and stunned into a state of utter speechlessness.
time and time and time again, she�s said that pure mescaline HCl in crystalline form is better than powder of any stripe�
the drug she consumed last night was the strongest hallucinogen she�s ever used. She cannot begin to recall all the times she�s tripped on mescaline.
this batch is Special.
all these hours later� she�s still tripping. how long now? 16 hours, maybe?
its going to last a full 24.
it was smooth as the glass in which we constructed the Matrix� utter absence of body load (except the yummy parts�)� it was pure mind and soul� 100% immersion into the
One.
color. mescaline is the most colorful of all drugs except possibly dmt.
somewhere near the peak, she took two massive rips off the DMT bong. She puked a little but barely remember it.
the two most colorful of hallucinogens� the one with the shortest duration and one of the marathon duration drugs..
they meshed seamlessly, each contributing it own characteristic color but combining to create something Unique.
the mescaline pipe.
this is how you extend the stuff indefinitely.
in order to truly appreciate what the pipe has to offer, one must already be on the drug to begin with.
when you are already tripping balls and you hit that pipe, it hits you just exactly the way DMT does� total immersion into hyperspace�
only this is mescaline hyperspace, not dmtspace. it is as sudden and as vivid as DMT only it is mescaline at Warp 12.
it becomes like crack.
PedroCrack.
but unlike cocaine, this stuff lasts for ages.
if you hit that pipe every so often� every 4 hours or so� you never have to come down. no data on tolerance yet�
she needs to come down but this is sooooo good.
so swim finally passed out around 5 yesterday afternoon. Swim was still tripping then but did go to sleep. When swim woke up this morning, he was down. This stuff is just insanely potent.
Swim did 500 mg, 140 mg intravenously and the remainder rectally.
Swim doesn�t have entirely good data on the threshold dose as he had problems injecting the stuff. It was mixed at 700mg/gram --- just shy of the saturation point of the drug. The material was very thick and his vein withdrew from the needle as soon as the drug began to hit. By this time, he was tripping so hard that swim could no longer operate the syringe. He could no longer see clearly, so in the interest of his own safety, he aborted the remainder of the injection, broke the needle off and put the remainder of the shot up his ass. Within 20 minutes, he was tripping harder than the peak of previous mescaline experiences.
The guys who took theirs orally reported that it began kicking in within ten minutes of using it.
The shit behaved the same as crude mescaline in that it came in waves only the magnitude of psychedelic immersion was many orders of magnitude greater than anything swim has experienced with mescaline previously. It was almost as intense as DMT at the peak.
yes, and DMT and mescaline mesh perfectly. The DMT made swim puke after the second massive rip off the bong but SWIM barely remember it.
smoking mescaline works. But like swim said yesterday, it doesnt give you the full expereince unless you are already on the stuff.
mek crystalization is the way to go with this drug. Those who fail to make use of this technique are going to rob themselves of the opportunity to experience mescaline full strength.
the drug we are in possession of is not even the same shit as normal brown/tan mescaline HCl.
this stuff is better than LSD. lasts much longer without having to be extended by amphetamines. it is very nearly as strong (in terms of how far out there it takes you...) as DMT.
its easy to make. boil your crude in mek. shove it in the freezer. collect crystals. thats all there is to it.
everyone complains about how hard it is to find LSD. who needs it??? this shit is better and we do not need a criminal organization to dole the stuff out to us for profit when and where they see fit to show up and collect our money.
ANYONE can make the same stuff that we made with a minimum of effort.
And.....
swim like either IV or rectal. both avoid stomach problems entirely. iv is rough, it takes a big shot and the come on is radical...
shit rushes. hard. but not sexual like meth so it isnt addictive.
500 mg dissolve in enough distilled water to make 1 cc of liquid administered rectally is the way to go as far as swim is concerned. it is a very tiny amount of liquid so it is in no way even really noticable, much less uncomfortable... the only bad thing is that onset is sometimes unpredictable... anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour to kick in... many times, though, it kicks just like slamming it...
regardless of onset, it carries no stomach load same as IV injection... swim uses it for this reason as he has grown weary of injecting much of anything these days...
fun stuff!!!
sweatloaf13
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this is a bit off topic and I hope not too many words but this was another one of Tramps gems that tickled my fancy:
Swim have been intrigued for some time with the combination of DMT and methamphetamine. The amphetamine is profoundly useful when mixed with LSD or mushrooms in that it potentates the hallucinogen in question and extends the duration by many, many hours (or even days if done properly!)... cross tolerance seems to exist between the various phenethylamines and Swim have not had good results with mixing amphetamines and mescaline...
DMT, being more closely related to LSD and psilocin than mescaline, would seem to work well with methamphetamine. Initial experiments with the combination proved difficult. It seemed that the two drugs had to be mixed in exactly the right proportion or one or the other of them would overwhelm the other... when SWIM got too much meth in the bowl, the meth would overwhelm and cancel the DMT effect... when SWIM added too much DMT to the bowl, the DMT would massively kill the meth effect...
on one or two occasions, Swim was able to get it close to right and experienced a glimpse of what this combination has to offer... Swim found it very intriguing...
but it never did feel quite right...
until recently.
you see... all Swim�s past experiments with this combination involved the hydrochloride salt of methamphetamine and the freebase of DMT. The difficulties encountered in mixing them are due to the delivery system SWIM was using... Swim just smoked them together in a glass pipe...
meth melts at 171 to 174 degrees C.
DMT melts at around 66 degrees C.
so when you try to smoke two substances with such widely divergent melting points, you fill your lungs with the lower melting point drug first... by the time the higher melting point drug finally vaporizes, your lungs don�t have much room left for the second drug.
it is virtually impossible to deliver a good 50/50 mix to your bloodstream.
Swim found himself in possession of about .5 cc of very highly pure methamphetamine freebase. Unlike the hydrochloride salt, meth freebase is a liquid at room temperature and has a boiling point close to the melting point freebase DMT...
so Swim took .1 cc of this oil and dissolved 100 mg of DMT freebase into it... no, Swim didn�t bother to calculate an exact molar equivalence of the two drugs... but the ratio Swim used was pretty close, even if just ballpark...
yes, the dmt dissolved in the meth oil.
then Swim affixed the pipe to a water cooler... in plain English, Swim smoked the stuff in a meth bong... the water cools the smoke and allows one to take considerably more than otherwise...
freebase meth is hard for even a hopeless tweaker to smoke... it is extremely crisp and it hits every bit as hard as DMT. SWIM have been knocked literally off Swim�s feet twice by its rush... and we all know about DMT. It�s not uncommon for people to drop the pipe when it hits.
was Swim scared?
a little.
so... Swim gently begin boiling the liquid in the bowl... with some hesitation, Swim began drawing on the bong... Swim was a little worried about what it would taste like...
the taste was excellent... the DMT took the edge off the meth smoke while the meth obliterated the nasty taste of the DMT...
this fact alone made Swim�s relax considerably... from the first taste, it seemed the two drugs were assisting one another in a manner that was useful to Swim�s... both are hard to smoke alone... both have tastes that pose significant challenges to the user... the combination was addictively delicious in its taste... it tasted nothing like either drug in isolation...
it was a perfectly mixed new creation...
finding the taste delicious, SWIM just ripped on the bong long and hard until nothing was left in the bowl...
Swim put the bong down and sat back in Swim�s chair...
the onset was slightly slower than with pure DMT...
when it hit...
all SWIM can say is that SWIM believe this to be the very finest hallucinogen Swim have ever had the privilege of sampling...
the meth provided the DMT with razor sharp clarity and focus and utterly eliminated any traces of the weirdness that DMT seems to go off into on its own... DMT can be scary many times. This combination was anything but frightening...
The DMT mellowed the meth rush and diverted its energy into creating the absolute most spectacular visual effects SWIM have ever experienced. But the visuals were very far removed from typical DMT neon type patterns and such... this was more akin to mescaline than anything else in terms of how the visuals actually looked... the phenethyamine had to be responsible for this...
Swim did not at any point lose consciousness or lucidity... in fact, it was as if Swim had become a hyperhuman... Swim was fully able to walk around and interact in meaningful manner with those around Swim�s in spite of being about as far out on a hallucinogen as SWIM've ever been...
seeing as SWIM'd never done this and SWIM doubt too many others have ever tried it, SWIM had no idea what it was really going to do to Swim�s. SWIM knew that it would not result in Swim�s death as both drugs are actually quite safe. DMT in particular, is virtually non-toxic at any dose... meth, in spite of propaganda to the contrary, is quite difficult to suffer a fatal overdose of...
Swim wasn�t afraid of dying as a result of smoking these together in this manner but Swim have been bitten deeply and profoundly by DMT before... it was the potential to suffer a massively terrifying bad trip that had Swim�s on edge... Swim wasted some of the experience being on edge about this possibility... once the two drugs fully established their effects and SWIM saw what they did together, SWIM relaxed completely and just let them do what they do...
the result was beyond by wildest expectations. Swim would recommend this combination without reservation to anyone with but a single down side...
the down side is that Swim strongly suspect this combination to have an addiction potential approaching that of methamphetamine itself... personally, SWIM liked the effect better than meth alone. SWIM've been hoarding back 100 mg of DMT for a very long time now hoping to mix it with freebase cocaine as SWIM suspect that would be a nice effect... but Swim happened onto the meth oil before SWIM found any freebase cocaine and decided to use it with the meth oil... SWIM have no more of either compound and am at little risk of addiction at the moment... it would require a superhuman effort on Swim�s part to manufacture both drugs and even then, it would take Swim�s a week or two... but as sure as SWIM'm sitting here, if SWIM had more of both SWIM would be smoking them all day long. It is an insanely beautiful total immersion and yet one's mind remains completely lucid and aware...
what Swim experienced was that the duration of the meth was not affected by the DMT... however... the effect of the DMT seemed prolonged to nearly two hours by the meth... once the DMT fully wore off, the meth effect remained for the next 18 or so hours... this was not unanticipated as meth is an extreme duration phenethylamine... Swim did not expect the DMT to significantly shorten the meth's duration and it did not. SWIM did, however, expect that the DMT's duration would be lengthened by the amphetamine and this did seem to occur...
but again, what struck Swim�s most about the combination was that it was profoundly a unique creation totally different from either drug in isolation... Swim do not believe these two drugs can be administered properly in a pipe unless both are used in freebase form... the key to the effect SWIM experienced lies in administering both drugs simultaneously in a roughly 50/50 mix... by dissolving the dmt freebase into the meth oil before vaporizing, one is assured of a perfectly homogenous mixture...
Swim simply cannot wait to do this again someday... SWIM�ve been contemplating making synthetic dmt for a long time... the results of this experiment absolutely solidified in Swim�s mind the desire to do so. SWIM'm wondering if Swim can find some means of crystallizing the two together in one solid and if it would have the same effects as what SWIM experienced... meth oil is not easily handled or stored... some sort of crystal of DMT/meth would prove a most useful invention to Swim�s...
Swim have been intrigued for some time with the combination of DMT and methamphetamine. The amphetamine is profoundly useful when mixed with LSD or mushrooms in that it potentates the hallucinogen in question and extends the duration by many, many hours (or even days if done properly!)... cross tolerance seems to exist between the various phenethylamines and Swim have not had good results with mixing amphetamines and mescaline...
DMT, being more closely related to LSD and psilocin than mescaline, would seem to work well with methamphetamine. Initial experiments with the combination proved difficult. It seemed that the two drugs had to be mixed in exactly the right proportion or one or the other of them would overwhelm the other... when SWIM got too much meth in the bowl, the meth would overwhelm and cancel the DMT effect... when SWIM added too much DMT to the bowl, the DMT would massively kill the meth effect...
on one or two occasions, Swim was able to get it close to right and experienced a glimpse of what this combination has to offer... Swim found it very intriguing...
but it never did feel quite right...
until recently.
you see... all Swim�s past experiments with this combination involved the hydrochloride salt of methamphetamine and the freebase of DMT. The difficulties encountered in mixing them are due to the delivery system SWIM was using... Swim just smoked them together in a glass pipe...
meth melts at 171 to 174 degrees C.
DMT melts at around 66 degrees C.
so when you try to smoke two substances with such widely divergent melting points, you fill your lungs with the lower melting point drug first... by the time the higher melting point drug finally vaporizes, your lungs don�t have much room left for the second drug.
it is virtually impossible to deliver a good 50/50 mix to your bloodstream.
Swim found himself in possession of about .5 cc of very highly pure methamphetamine freebase. Unlike the hydrochloride salt, meth freebase is a liquid at room temperature and has a boiling point close to the melting point freebase DMT...
so Swim took .1 cc of this oil and dissolved 100 mg of DMT freebase into it... no, Swim didn�t bother to calculate an exact molar equivalence of the two drugs... but the ratio Swim used was pretty close, even if just ballpark...
yes, the dmt dissolved in the meth oil.
then Swim affixed the pipe to a water cooler... in plain English, Swim smoked the stuff in a meth bong... the water cools the smoke and allows one to take considerably more than otherwise...
freebase meth is hard for even a hopeless tweaker to smoke... it is extremely crisp and it hits every bit as hard as DMT. SWIM have been knocked literally off Swim�s feet twice by its rush... and we all know about DMT. It�s not uncommon for people to drop the pipe when it hits.
was Swim scared?
a little.
so... Swim gently begin boiling the liquid in the bowl... with some hesitation, Swim began drawing on the bong... Swim was a little worried about what it would taste like...
the taste was excellent... the DMT took the edge off the meth smoke while the meth obliterated the nasty taste of the DMT...
this fact alone made Swim�s relax considerably... from the first taste, it seemed the two drugs were assisting one another in a manner that was useful to Swim�s... both are hard to smoke alone... both have tastes that pose significant challenges to the user... the combination was addictively delicious in its taste... it tasted nothing like either drug in isolation...
it was a perfectly mixed new creation...
finding the taste delicious, SWIM just ripped on the bong long and hard until nothing was left in the bowl...
Swim put the bong down and sat back in Swim�s chair...
the onset was slightly slower than with pure DMT...
when it hit...
all SWIM can say is that SWIM believe this to be the very finest hallucinogen Swim have ever had the privilege of sampling...
the meth provided the DMT with razor sharp clarity and focus and utterly eliminated any traces of the weirdness that DMT seems to go off into on its own... DMT can be scary many times. This combination was anything but frightening...
The DMT mellowed the meth rush and diverted its energy into creating the absolute most spectacular visual effects SWIM have ever experienced. But the visuals were very far removed from typical DMT neon type patterns and such... this was more akin to mescaline than anything else in terms of how the visuals actually looked... the phenethyamine had to be responsible for this...
Swim did not at any point lose consciousness or lucidity... in fact, it was as if Swim had become a hyperhuman... Swim was fully able to walk around and interact in meaningful manner with those around Swim�s in spite of being about as far out on a hallucinogen as SWIM've ever been...
seeing as SWIM'd never done this and SWIM doubt too many others have ever tried it, SWIM had no idea what it was really going to do to Swim�s. SWIM knew that it would not result in Swim�s death as both drugs are actually quite safe. DMT in particular, is virtually non-toxic at any dose... meth, in spite of propaganda to the contrary, is quite difficult to suffer a fatal overdose of...
Swim wasn�t afraid of dying as a result of smoking these together in this manner but Swim have been bitten deeply and profoundly by DMT before... it was the potential to suffer a massively terrifying bad trip that had Swim�s on edge... Swim wasted some of the experience being on edge about this possibility... once the two drugs fully established their effects and SWIM saw what they did together, SWIM relaxed completely and just let them do what they do...
the result was beyond by wildest expectations. Swim would recommend this combination without reservation to anyone with but a single down side...
the down side is that Swim strongly suspect this combination to have an addiction potential approaching that of methamphetamine itself... personally, SWIM liked the effect better than meth alone. SWIM've been hoarding back 100 mg of DMT for a very long time now hoping to mix it with freebase cocaine as SWIM suspect that would be a nice effect... but Swim happened onto the meth oil before SWIM found any freebase cocaine and decided to use it with the meth oil... SWIM have no more of either compound and am at little risk of addiction at the moment... it would require a superhuman effort on Swim�s part to manufacture both drugs and even then, it would take Swim�s a week or two... but as sure as SWIM'm sitting here, if SWIM had more of both SWIM would be smoking them all day long. It is an insanely beautiful total immersion and yet one's mind remains completely lucid and aware...
what Swim experienced was that the duration of the meth was not affected by the DMT... however... the effect of the DMT seemed prolonged to nearly two hours by the meth... once the DMT fully wore off, the meth effect remained for the next 18 or so hours... this was not unanticipated as meth is an extreme duration phenethylamine... Swim did not expect the DMT to significantly shorten the meth's duration and it did not. SWIM did, however, expect that the DMT's duration would be lengthened by the amphetamine and this did seem to occur...
but again, what struck Swim�s most about the combination was that it was profoundly a unique creation totally different from either drug in isolation... Swim do not believe these two drugs can be administered properly in a pipe unless both are used in freebase form... the key to the effect SWIM experienced lies in administering both drugs simultaneously in a roughly 50/50 mix... by dissolving the dmt freebase into the meth oil before vaporizing, one is assured of a perfectly homogenous mixture...
Swim simply cannot wait to do this again someday... SWIM�ve been contemplating making synthetic dmt for a long time... the results of this experiment absolutely solidified in Swim�s mind the desire to do so. SWIM'm wondering if Swim can find some means of crystallizing the two together in one solid and if it would have the same effects as what SWIM experienced... meth oil is not easily handled or stored... some sort of crystal of DMT/meth would prove a most useful invention to Swim�s...
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sweatloaf13, yep that's exactly who i was talking about.