Re: note to Papaver...
rachamim18 said:
In questioning my enrollment on methadone,etc...you have again taken my words out of context....I venture that you should adopt another user name as Papaver implies that you somehow have some sort of knowledge about opiates...you obviously do not. Might I suggest "Branch" as in the proverbial appendage that you constantly find yourself out on in recent posts...why not start with your claim of the futility of weekend opiate use...not your so called Swedish junkie experience but scientific proof...and finish it off with some scientific proof on the feasibility of boiling morphine with glacial acetic acid...I will even take verifiable subjective accounts...otherwise you should lay your teeming intellect to bed as it has obviously been "a very long night" for you...
Don't you ever give up? What's your real problem? I have looked through a very tiny percentage of your posts (you have written almost 1100 in less than 3 months so I could hardly look into them all). They are almost always besserwisser ones, unpleasant to others, full of nasty remarks, telling people that they are stupid, to grow up, get a life etc etc. Your snide remarks above are perfect examples.
You have been harping of the acetic anhydr theme ad nauseam. I regret that english is not my first language, so naturally I cannot be expected to be as fluent as you are in it. I did not remember the name of the substance, so I just checked som NIDA or something website - I don't remember anymore which it was. I pasted the words as they were written there. As I told you before it was just because i wanted to point out - as an answer to a question put to me - that while one chemical substance boiled with morphine would make the useless apomorphine, the other made it into heroin.
Neither you nor I did for a moment think that anything in that remark could start people to make their own heroin in that way, just because of a bypassing remark! And yet I did say I was sorry - I was mistaken, and yes I know that they do not do it like that nowadays. The only reason I protested was when you implied that all morphine would be gone and leave nothing.
I checked back, and read at different sites that this unmodern method was dangerous - as you pointed out quite rightly - but that here and there in primitive surroundings in former days, it was actually done in this way. That caused explosions of course, but as I said I only protested because you implied that no morphine was left. If that were the case noone would ever had made heroin this way would they?
Still I explained this to you, also that the boiling issue from my side was directed at the papaver cooking. I misunderstood you when you attacked me, by thinking that it was not the heroin issue but the papaver issue that you were saying when you said that nothing could be boiled. But so what? I have told you that I was mistaken about the acetic anhydr - this is not the modern method and i agree. But I have never been interested in the pure chemical production of the stuff - although in fact i have been present when heroin actually was made out of morphine hydrochloride, and the morphine hydrochloride was made from codeine. I was the one that was worried then; I thought that they boiled everything far too long and too much! But as I said i didn't know much about it.
So what? Is it impossible to be knowledgeable of anything connected to opiates just because I happened to write in a mistake directly from a site wherre that very sentence was written? If anyone ain't sure about which chemicals you have when you produce heroin, does that mean that that person cannot know anything else about theis very big issue?
You are speaking of proofs all the time, scientific proofs. Where are your proofs then? Haven't you any threads about how longtime heroin IV abusers suddenly stopped and made it into weekend shooting? You do the same as I do - you say that you know plenty of people who can manage this, and I say that I have asked a lot of people, and since I have been desperately seeking confirmation in this for many years I have tried to delve into it whenever possible, but always finding out that it was all talk.
If you do not have those scientific reports you can at least paste a link to some addicts success stories, that they have written themselves. I'd tell about it on the net if I hade done it, thats for sure. That isn't proof of course - but much more proof than your statement that "I know many like that". You seem to think that I am the one that should offer the proof. But if you think about it - how probable is it that a lot of attention should be given to something like that? I mean if it were possible, some researcher should delve into it, but if it's not? Making scientific experiment that junkies cannot go back to weekend use? Thats what almost everyone - but you - believe, so I do not think that they will take a great trouble to prove it.
And are you expecting junkies to come on the Internet and running a site that says i failed and everyone else too - isn't it more probable that you want to run a site when you have accomplished something that others thought wasn't possible. I can see that I do not get my meaning clear here - but it is a little difficult to express myself in english on this issue. Perhaps you understand what I mean anyway. As for me taking for granted that you were a weekendshooter - or had quitted altogether - well thats quite natural isn't it? I mean it's so easy to do, you have done(?) it. Why didn't you go on then? How come you are on a strong, quite boring synthetic opiate, when you could have all they joy in the world at weekends?
As for you knowing all these people I say, really but have you done more than just heard them out? I cannot see that you have tíme to check anything out. You have a sometimes 60 hour/day work-day, you are married with a big family, you post around 14 posts here a day, you also post in 14 other sites (!). I think you said recently "You wouldn't believe the amount of time I spend online". Also you stated that you take the time and trouble to go back and read all archived posts by individuals whom you adress! How the hell could you check up on anybody during weekdays?
You wouldn't even have time to check up your neighbors. Anyway perhaps they do not want you to so then it doesn't matter. Frankly i cannot understand how you ever can check on any druguser. I never said that I didn't hear the weekend crap - I said that when you checked into it, it was always exagerrations, lies, other opiates included, weekends not exclusively but any day they laid their hands on it, etc etc.
So how do you know what these many people are doing? Do you believe that heroin users always are telling the truth? I know that they are famous for being truthful, but you know, when it comes to lies about their addiction - especially when wanting other people to think that they are in charge - even such blatantly honorable folks as junkies can exaggerate or lie. I have never said it was absolutely impossible to do. But when I and all i have asked never have seen it, and you say that you know "many", isn't quite natural to draw the conclusion that you have been fooled?
Somewhere you said that you had been a heroin user for 25 years, now you say that you have been on methadone for 11 years. And you are 37, and you were in the Israelian army. Perhaps I am wrong, but didn't you spend 4 years in prison too? Did you get heroin in there every day? But perhaps I am mixing you up with someone. But it would be very interesting to get a timeline of your chipping, your detoxes, your years of absolutely weekend-only IV shooting, that happened after your years of everyday use, and finally your methadone thing. Forgive me for being more stupid than any other human you have ever come across. May I humbly suggest - as i did in my PM to you long ago - that you take your time to go to the "Thought and awareness" forum, the thread "Test your druginfested brain HERE", surely you can solve the train problem...
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