raoulduke
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I singned up for methadone treatment!
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naturalone
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no, k'dout, i don't know raoul. i just remember a lot of his posts from way back, when he was taking dillies and OCs. i pm'd with him once or twice. that's all. i just remember that stuff.
i met negro from this board. he lives down the street from me, and we see each other on average once a week or so.
raoul, you might want to edit your post. it's a little close to sourcing, and you don't want to get nailed for that either on this board, or by the feds who will probably PM you, acting like people looking for pills. it's happening all over the place, and just better safe than sorry.
i met negro from this board. he lives down the street from me, and we see each other on average once a week or so.
raoul, you might want to edit your post. it's a little close to sourcing, and you don't want to get nailed for that either on this board, or by the feds who will probably PM you, acting like people looking for pills. it's happening all over the place, and just better safe than sorry.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
More methadone mirth...
Kdou: No you have no purer methadone than any other form. It just lacks the color additive that pink or orange liquid contains. One of the reasons I originally switched clinics was because of the tiny amount of liquid in the bottles. If you unfortunately spill a bottle a drop can make a hell of alot of difference. With Diskettes it really does not make a whole lot of difference.
Kdou: No you have no purer methadone than any other form. It just lacks the color additive that pink or orange liquid contains. One of the reasons I originally switched clinics was because of the tiny amount of liquid in the bottles. If you unfortunately spill a bottle a drop can make a hell of alot of difference. With Diskettes it really does not make a whole lot of difference.
K'dOUTinAZ
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Well that is what I meant by more pure, it has no other additive in it. Of course they will be of same potency. I mean, 5mg is 5mg if you know what I mean. I'm just wondering why most places use the colored liquid. Spilling any of the methadone liquid isn't much of a problem at my clinic, they will give you another dose. They watch your every single move at this clinic. My clinic actually pisses me off just because they always make assumptions that the people here are using. If they notice that I'm not wide awake with a smile across my face they take note and accuse me. I just tell them to give me a goddamn piss test if they don't believe me, but that is way off topic. I don't enjoy the tablets as much because it takes longer for them to kick in IMO and don't seem to have much of a peak as the liquid does. I never noticed whether or not one lasted longer than the other. I have only used the tablets twice when I was in a car accident during my take home date so they gave me a script for two days worth of 115mg of methadone. They held me just fine but didn't give me that mellow buzz that the liquid still gives me...and I've been on the same dose for two months.
or by the feds who will probably PM you, acting like people looking for pills.
I don't know if this has happened to anybody else but I have had at least two or three people PM me asking for sources where and who I get drugs from who were obvious some sort of enforcement. I just tell them to fuck off but you should be aware that it does go on.
or by the feds who will probably PM you, acting like people looking for pills.
I don't know if this has happened to anybody else but I have had at least two or three people PM me asking for sources where and who I get drugs from who were obvious some sort of enforcement. I just tell them to fuck off but you should be aware that it does go on.
inimical
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I'm disgusted to see someone only abusing codeine checking themselfves into a methadone maintence program, I hope you don't intend on taking this for the rest of your life, make sure they ween you off eventually.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
Kdou...
They color it to represent the supposed flavor.Pink for cherry and orange for...I have been on every kind of maintainence methadone there is and believe me when I tell you that there are no real differences in form. Some swear up and down that thewhite Diskette does not hold them the way the orange does [and the reverse] or that the liquid does not hold them as long as the Diskette...The only differences are in the binders and fillers. If the active ingredient in any medication is the same then the net effect will be the same. I prefer orange Diskette only because the flavor additive ,asks the chalky aftertaste. I too have received posts from a couple of people whom I have never seen before [on B.L.] but I just laugh it off.
They color it to represent the supposed flavor.Pink for cherry and orange for...I have been on every kind of maintainence methadone there is and believe me when I tell you that there are no real differences in form. Some swear up and down that thewhite Diskette does not hold them the way the orange does [and the reverse] or that the liquid does not hold them as long as the Diskette...The only differences are in the binders and fillers. If the active ingredient in any medication is the same then the net effect will be the same. I prefer orange Diskette only because the flavor additive ,asks the chalky aftertaste. I too have received posts from a couple of people whom I have never seen before [on B.L.] but I just laugh it off.
K'dOUTinAZ
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I have never tried the diskettes, they don't give them out at the MMT I attend. They just have a bottle of clear liquid that says Methadose on it and it is dispensed 5mg at a time. The tablets that I was prescribed were just the methadone tabs that come in 5 and 10mg form and I would prefer the liquid over those even if it meer placebo.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
uh huh...
You are talking about Dolophines not maintenance methadone. Diskettes are specially formulated for maintenance and I assure you that it is the same as your liquid for all intensive purposes.
You are talking about Dolophines not maintenance methadone. Diskettes are specially formulated for maintenance and I assure you that it is the same as your liquid for all intensive purposes.
KittyKat53
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Methadone treatment
First off you usually have to prove to the clinic you have tried other methods of detox first ...That is the way most clinics are .... Then after you give urine and if they decide to take you most clinics start you at 20 milgs. to begin with then take you up 5 or 10 milgs. a day till you say when ..... YOU DO NOT GET HIGH FROM METHADONE NOT THE LEAST BIT ......it keeps you from getting sick and the thing people don't know........ who are not on it is just that ..... go to a methadone site if you want to know more ....This link is the best one I have found to aske questions about methadone....
http://www.readybb.com/watchdog/viewforum.php?f=2
Good luck
BTW I got on methadone to get my head together and decide what I was going to do ... That was over twenty years ago ....
First off you usually have to prove to the clinic you have tried other methods of detox first ...That is the way most clinics are .... Then after you give urine and if they decide to take you most clinics start you at 20 milgs. to begin with then take you up 5 or 10 milgs. a day till you say when ..... YOU DO NOT GET HIGH FROM METHADONE NOT THE LEAST BIT ......it keeps you from getting sick and the thing people don't know........ who are not on it is just that ..... go to a methadone site if you want to know more ....This link is the best one I have found to aske questions about methadone....
http://www.readybb.com/watchdog/viewforum.php?f=2
Good luck
BTW I got on methadone to get my head together and decide what I was going to do ... That was over twenty years ago ....
naturalone
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Re: Methadone treatment
um, yeah, okay.
how about you read the rest of this thread, and the other thread titled "methadone vs hydrocodone" or something to that effect. then i think that you will realize that a) you're wrong and b) you're wrong.
KittyKat53 said:
um, yeah, okay.
how about you read the rest of this thread, and the other thread titled "methadone vs hydrocodone" or something to that effect. then i think that you will realize that a) you're wrong and b) you're wrong.
KittyKat53
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Re: Re: Methadone treatment
UMMMMM yeah okay wrong about what ??
naturalone said:
UMMMMM yeah okay wrong about what ??
rachamim18
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ooh ooh I know I know...
You are wrong about the initial dosing protocol, you are wrong about not getting high from methadone, you are wrong about having to prove previous attempts at detox, you are wrong about everything in that paticular post. Hope that I have cleared that up for you.
You are wrong about the initial dosing protocol, you are wrong about not getting high from methadone, you are wrong about having to prove previous attempts at detox, you are wrong about everything in that paticular post. Hope that I have cleared that up for you.
KittyKat53
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Methadone
First of all I am not sure where you live but where I live in N.Y I have been on three different programs and each one has wanted you to have at least three previous attemps at detox now maybe they changed that seeing how I have been on methadone for over twenty years but somehow I doubt it... How long have you been on methadone ?? I am on 120 milg. of metadone daily and I and everyone I ask on the program that I am on Does not get high from their methadone and if you are getting high I would like to know where you are dosing ... Maybe you are taking other drugs with it as well like some benzo's maybe????????
First of all I am not sure where you live but where I live in N.Y I have been on three different programs and each one has wanted you to have at least three previous attemps at detox now maybe they changed that seeing how I have been on methadone for over twenty years but somehow I doubt it... How long have you been on methadone ?? I am on 120 milg. of metadone daily and I and everyone I ask on the program that I am on Does not get high from their methadone and if you are getting high I would like to know where you are dosing ... Maybe you are taking other drugs with it as well like some benzo's maybe????????
KittyKat53
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rachamim18
I see from your other posts on this board that you are very controversial ... This is my last post to you because I truly do not want to argue with you b/c you know everything....
I see from your other posts on this board that you are very controversial ... This is my last post to you because I truly do not want to argue with you b/c you know everything....
ebeneezer_geeza
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^i think what this guy must be trying to say is that MMT and prescribing of methadone differs from place to place, which it does, in the UK it differs from town to town. In london and liverpool you can get pure heroin off the right doctor, where i am you are lucky if you get 30ml of supervised consumption methadone green. Private you can get methadone injectables 50mg in one hit. Prescribing of methadone and other opiates differs all over as does the care that the ppl who prescribe it provide and the amount they may charge.
PapaverPrisoner
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ebeneezer_geeza said:
Thats true - but the strange thing is that both Kitty and rachim are in the same town - N.Y. And since Kitty obviously have been in several different programs, and found that they had the same rules, she'd probably be the one that is right. Anyway rachim can't be in a methadone program - according to his posts in "Longtime recreational heroin users" he is either a very sucessful and disciplined "weekend shooter" or (maybe) has stopped all opiate use.
rachamim18
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makeing my day...
Actually Papaver I have been on methadone for the last 10 years [almost 11] in 3 different states and two countries. I am on a program in the South Bronx [Montefiore Unit II,Burnside on Jerome Ave.]...certainly hope that satisfies your quest for knowledge. You seem to have a habit of reading what you want to believe...as evidenced in yesterdays advice to boil morphine in glacial acetic acid [thus blowing ones self to kingdom come in the process]...yeah,I think I will take your word on it Papaver.
In any event ,the real reason for this thread is to examine methadone maintenance...Kitty will have to answer for her [or is it he?] self but in my defense I do not rely on subjective reasoning. I could of course relate that my post represents my almost 11 years on maintenance but I will simply say that in the U.S. clinics have to obey state AND federal regulations. Federal regulations do not require any of what Kitty talked about. I addressed the issue of initial dosing protocols in a very recent [and similar] thread so I will be very brief with it here: The Fed says that clinics should not exceed 30 mgs. in an initial dose, with an additional dose of no more than 10 mgs [at least 2 hours post initial dose]...unless the clinic doctor documents 40 mgs. as being insufficient for opiate abstinence...Basically, it is up to the doctor. I personally know 1 person who initially received 80 and know of at least 2 people on b.l. [including this forums moderator] who have also initially dosed at 80.
About getting "high" on methadone..."High" is of course a subjective experience and I would be the first person to volunteer that oral methadone [i.e. maintenance methadone] does not offer an opiate/opioid euphoria...but are you going to seriously tell the people that you do not get a nod off of 120 mgs? I could not care less how long you have been on it. As you can see, I have well over a decade...not to mention the people in my clinic [and my neighborhood] that have been on it since Rockefeller [almost 40 years] who still nod on less than a hundred....For your
information [although you claim to have searched my posts] I am on 190 with 6 takehomes a week...
"I am controversial?" Well, if you call advising a teen not to combine alcohol with benzos [not to mention GHB] being controversial...but of course you would be referring to the 20 odd posts I received telling me how I was wrong to tell him that since the poster had never died from that themselves...or maybe you are referring to Papaver who as you can see advised an inexperienced person to boil morphine with acetic anhydride for several hours [as if experience would keep them from blowing up]...I tend to only comment on that which I have personal experience with...backed up by relevant research. If you call that "controversial" more power to you...You know though, all it would really take to shut me down would be for you to provide something to qualify your contentious post...like some state or federal regs that specify the amount of detox attempts and dosing protocols for new enrollees...I will patiently await your relevant post...
Actually Papaver I have been on methadone for the last 10 years [almost 11] in 3 different states and two countries. I am on a program in the South Bronx [Montefiore Unit II,Burnside on Jerome Ave.]...certainly hope that satisfies your quest for knowledge. You seem to have a habit of reading what you want to believe...as evidenced in yesterdays advice to boil morphine in glacial acetic acid [thus blowing ones self to kingdom come in the process]...yeah,I think I will take your word on it Papaver.
In any event ,the real reason for this thread is to examine methadone maintenance...Kitty will have to answer for her [or is it he?] self but in my defense I do not rely on subjective reasoning. I could of course relate that my post represents my almost 11 years on maintenance but I will simply say that in the U.S. clinics have to obey state AND federal regulations. Federal regulations do not require any of what Kitty talked about. I addressed the issue of initial dosing protocols in a very recent [and similar] thread so I will be very brief with it here: The Fed says that clinics should not exceed 30 mgs. in an initial dose, with an additional dose of no more than 10 mgs [at least 2 hours post initial dose]...unless the clinic doctor documents 40 mgs. as being insufficient for opiate abstinence...Basically, it is up to the doctor. I personally know 1 person who initially received 80 and know of at least 2 people on b.l. [including this forums moderator] who have also initially dosed at 80.
About getting "high" on methadone..."High" is of course a subjective experience and I would be the first person to volunteer that oral methadone [i.e. maintenance methadone] does not offer an opiate/opioid euphoria...but are you going to seriously tell the people that you do not get a nod off of 120 mgs? I could not care less how long you have been on it. As you can see, I have well over a decade...not to mention the people in my clinic [and my neighborhood] that have been on it since Rockefeller [almost 40 years] who still nod on less than a hundred....For your
information [although you claim to have searched my posts] I am on 190 with 6 takehomes a week...
"I am controversial?" Well, if you call advising a teen not to combine alcohol with benzos [not to mention GHB] being controversial...but of course you would be referring to the 20 odd posts I received telling me how I was wrong to tell him that since the poster
rachamim18
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note to Papaver...
In questioning my enrollment on methadone,etc...you have again taken my words out of context. I would suggest that at the very least you start taking notes as your ability to comprehend what you read is seriously in question...I venture that you should adopt another user name as Papaver implies that you somehow have some sort of knowledge about opiates...you obviously do not. Might I suggest "Branch" as in the proverbial appendage that you constantly find yourself out on in recent posts...? By the way, you also have the right to confront me with conflicting evidence [since you seem to think that you are some sort of judge]...why not start with your claim of the futility of weekend opiate use...not your so called Swedish junkie experience but scientific proof...and finish it off with some scientific proof on the feasibility of boiling morphine with glacial acetic acid...I will even take verifiable subjective accounts...otherwise you should lay your teeming intellect to bed as it has obviously been "a very long night" for you...
In questioning my enrollment on methadone,etc...you have again taken my words out of context. I would suggest that at the very least you start taking notes as your ability to comprehend what you read is seriously in question...I venture that you should adopt another user name as Papaver implies that you somehow have some sort of knowledge about opiates...you obviously do not. Might I suggest "Branch" as in the proverbial appendage that you constantly find yourself out on in recent posts...? By the way, you also have the right to confront me with conflicting evidence [since you seem to think that you are some sort of judge]...why not start with your claim of the futility of weekend opiate use...not your so called Swedish junkie experience but scientific proof...and finish it off with some scientific proof on the feasibility of boiling morphine with glacial acetic acid...I will even take verifiable subjective accounts...otherwise you should lay your teeming intellect to bed as it has obviously been "a very long night" for you...
naturalone
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guys/gals, let's stop this nonsense. kitty; i don't believe you, about anything you say. i had the same feelings about rachamim18 when he first came around, but he has proven my initial assessment of him totally wrong over the last couple of months. you, however, are going to have to stick around OD and post more on your experiences for me to believe a word you are saying (about you being from ny, on methadone for over 20 years, or knowing anything about methadone at all). in fact, i think that you are someone who PM'd me saying that i would not be able to guess his identity next time he registered here. i'm calling you a liar until further notice. sorry, but i don't matter that much anyway, so it shouldn't bother you.
everyone else; let's please stop the personal attacks and judgments. rachamim seems to post fact and personal experience, without a lot of emotion involved. it seems that those who choose to argue with him look somewhat foolish, because they typically let their emotions get involved (as i did a couple of months ago). if you want to debate with rachamim, that's great, but do yourself a favor and do some research first, and post some hard facts, which you can mix with your personal experiences, for a compelling arguement. it will keep you from looking like a dumbass. i'm not talking to anyone in particular, but everyone just the same.
i really enjoy reading all of the personal experiences, and gaining a lot of wisdom from this forum. lately there seems to be a pattern where people deem it necessary to knock a particular member down to make themselves seem smarter or cooler. it's the internet. nobody gives a shit. let's just give it a rest.
i should know, 'cause i was the one who started it. so, basically, do as i say, not as i do
everyone else; let's please stop the personal attacks and judgments. rachamim seems to post fact and personal experience, without a lot of emotion involved. it seems that those who choose to argue with him look somewhat foolish, because they typically let their emotions get involved (as i did a couple of months ago). if you want to debate with rachamim, that's great, but do yourself a favor and do some research first, and post some hard facts, which you can mix with your personal experiences, for a compelling arguement. it will keep you from looking like a dumbass. i'm not talking to anyone in particular, but everyone just the same.
i really enjoy reading all of the personal experiences, and gaining a lot of wisdom from this forum. lately there seems to be a pattern where people deem it necessary to knock a particular member down to make themselves seem smarter or cooler. it's the internet. nobody gives a shit. let's just give it a rest.
i should know, 'cause i was the one who started it. so, basically, do as i say, not as i do
negrogesic
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Yes, technically this is the rule for MMT in most states. But, in practice, it rarely is enforced, i know im my case it wasnt. I had no prior detox attempt and was put on methadone. I also dont have to take weekly drug test
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