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I singned up for methadone treatment!

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raoul -

There seems to be a honeymoon stage concerning Methadone where you will feel good for a week or 2, these seems to happen mainly with ppl that really doesnt have a habit that needs to be maintained with methadone IMO. After awhile your body becomes conditioned to the Methadone and you wont feel shit after awhile. It will hold withdrawls at bay but you wont experince any 'positive' effects (read: feeling high). After awhile it will just be like taking a shot of water in the morning, you wont get sick but you wont get high.

Thats why most ppl continuously bump up the methadone dosages trying to grasp at the fleeting high, next thing you know your at 100mg and your screwed. This is a common occurence just watch out.
 
I would not go on MMT for that type of habit( codiene) I am on methadone and have been on methadone a total of 6 or 7 years
You are going to be for a shock when the day comes you have to kick methadone. Its a 6 to 9 week hell ride and will ride you like nothing you have ever felt. you will pray to die
Please reconsider. Codiene isnt strong enough to make you physically addicted enough to take MMT. Any reputable clinic will tell you you need to make at least 3 attempts at kicking on your own, or on another tretment place

But why would you listen to me? You wont, but youll wish you had
 
I don't understand this shit about methadone not getting people high anymore.. My pain clinic switched me to methadone back about a year ago.. ( this is NOT MAINTAINACE) I have been on 60 mgs a day (1 tablet 6 times a day as needed for chronic pain, thats how its written.. I can take them how ever I want just no more then 6 a day) for over a year (first three months was 40mgs a day) and I still get a nice high from it.. sorry to say.. maybe this is person dependent and not the drug.. When I was taking 40mg oxy's along with 30mg roxicodone 4x's a day I got to the point wehre I could not get a Buzz off of oxycodone anymore (well I could inject about 200mgs and get a buzz.. But thats a horse of a different color. Now maybe it's because I don't have to take all of my medication first thing in the morning or somthing. I don't know.. Maybe its cause I can space it out.. but hell sometimes I wake up.. take the whole 60mgs and walk aroung in a state of euphoria all day long.. now true it's not the same kind of buzz as when I first started taking oxycodone but its still there non the lest.. and it's a much better and safer pain killer... And I know 60mgs is not what they call a blocking dosage.. but if I want a buzz off of other opioids I have to take alot more... Usually a good injection of a 10mg fentanyl patch will do it.. and have me in heaven.. But thats for pleasure not pain.. But you CAN over ride methadone.. 40mgs of oxycodone won't do it, but it can be done..


Now as far as using it to handle codiene withdrawals of only 30mgs a day.. Well I'd say he just wants to get on MMT so he has a nice drug to take everyday, and if thats all he wants then there is nothing anyone can say to change his mind.. But I will tell you this.. out of ALL the pain killers I have been on.. And It would take me an hour to name them all.. Methadone is the only one that after a day of missing a dosage, I'm ready to shoot someone.. take it for real.. I missed an appointment with my PMD once and had to wait a week to get my methadone refilled, and the amount of depression was unreal, I wanted to die.. seriously.. This shit is way addictive, even at a low dosage.. I was only on 40mgs then.. This shit is not like other narcotics.. It's in a league of its on!! take that to the bank.. or hell take it to the trash I could care less..

Be smart and go to your doctor and ask him for a two weeks supply of Clonadine and you will be cured from that codiene problem... with NO withdrawals what so ever.. Or do what you want to do and go get on methdone even though you dont need it for maintenance
 
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beating the subject to death...

O.K...On going through horrible withdrawals on methadone...The symptoms do last longer than other opiates because of the way its stored in your body.However,if done correctly,one can detox with minimal discomfort.I have detoxed [willingly and otherwise] 6 times in my 10 years in maintenance.All of these times except one were done very rapidly.10 milligrams every 3 days until 10 milligrams.The hardest part is the psychological.


The one time I detoxed in a gradual decrease [10 mgs. every 21 days until 50,plateauing for 2 months and then decreasing 5 mgs. every 14 days until 5] presented no physical symptoms at all.

As far as missing 1 dose and suffering...I will admit that when I was first on methadone I felt the same way.Fortunately that is just psychological and once a person becomes well adjusted [to methadone] that usually does not happen.It seems to be the theme of my current post but methadone is designed to hold someone for 36 hours.Of course,that does not happen until a person has been on methadone for a sufficient amount of time and dosed at regular 24 hour intervals.I regularly go without dosing for 2 and 1/2 days at a time and feel no discomfort at all.

Again,advising someone whether they should or should not be on methadone is pointless.It is a subjective decision.Just because you feel that their substance of choice or low dose is not sufficient does not mean anything.All that matters is whether the person in question feels that methadone can help them towards stability.I do remember a clinic in Florida verifying whether I had tried to abstain [from opiate use] via other methods,but they only required 1 time-not 3.The only place that I have heard them doing that is in the U.K.In N.Y.C. they really do not care.If a person has opiates in their system,or has just left prison with a documented history,etc. then they meet the eligibility requirements.

As to the person who takes six 10 mg. tablets per day for pain management.You might be taking methadone for a different reason and in a different dosing pattern but the end result is the same.You are addicted to it with the same tolerance to it as any other long term user.

On getting high from methadone...I must have offered my two cents on that in this thread 2 times already...

One last note:Clonidine is a blood pressure medication.It might make you a tiny bit "calmer" but to most opiate users its effects are not even noticeable.
 
Excuse me.. after my second back surgory, I had been in pain management for 3 and a half years.. I was on 40 mg oxy twice a day and 4 lortab 10's a day.. all it took for me to kick that habit. WHICH IS PRETTY HEAVY. was a one month script of CLonadine. and a script woth of two weeks of xanax.

Yes Clonadine is a BP medication. But it stops withdrawal symptoms. It does not make you a "tiny bit calmer" Doctors have been using this medication to detox patients for over 30 years.

If I say something, its usually cause I have tried it.. Now if clonadine will work for Oxycotin and Lortab addiction.. I"M QUIT SURE it will work for a 30 mg a day codiene addiction.. Trust me.. It will offer more then some relief. I took it three times a day with 3 1mg xanax a day.. and I suffered NO withdrawals.. Not the shits, not the shakes, not goosebump flesh, no irratability.. Nothing..

Now am I saying it would work if your shooting up 150mgs of oxy a day? No I seriously doubt it will.. But if your just taking your meds as perscribed then yes, it would work.

I know how methadone works.. There is not a pain med I do not know about and I have probably been on one or the other.. It's not like I missed one pill.. I mean I missed one days worth of dosing and the next day.. umm a little over 24 hours maybe 36 hours and I was suffering hard withdrawals.. and I went the entire week untill I could get into my pain management doctor and the entire week I withdrawaled.. with oxycodone I would have been done already..

Last but not least.. Um I think my previous statement shows that I KNOW I"M ADDICTED. I have been addicted to pain killers for 20+ years, I simple stated that I took 1 10mg tablet 6 times a day to say that maybe I still get high off of it, because of the difference in my dosing pattern.. stating the fact that I can not speak for someone who doses once a day at a clinic.. I was being subjected. and honest..

Oh I do have one more thing to say.. Whats better, a life addicted to opioids of a life free of them... I guarantee a life free of them is better if you don't need them.. Get some CLONODINE and a benzo and in a couple weeks you WILL BE COMPLETELY over the withdrawals of 30mg a day codeine. So that is something I can advise on.

I felt good when I was detoxed ( on clonodine and xanax ) and I sayed that way for two months. But a third back surgory sent me back into the operating room, and a boached operation, plus extensive scaring sent me back down that path.. Why I always same I'm an addict and will be all my life.. there are no surgories left to do on me.. Im lucky I can still walk, even if I have to use leg braces and all.. atleast im not in a wheel chair.. but I am on pain meds and will be all my life..


let me state this before it comes up.. I took a .1mg clonodine 3x's a day, Got a months worth but really only needed 2 weeks.. but it was kinda fun to take with a xanax as it would really nock you on your ass.



AND YES I STILL GET A BUZZ FROM METHADONE>> I HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW
 
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uh huh...

Opioid...First you say that you are sure of something but then turn around and guarantee someone else that they will fell nothing.Subjective means from the subject.The only thing you can guarantee is that you will die...

You felt extreme withdrawal after 24-36 hours?I have also gone a week without being dosed[Rikers Island screw ups]and assure you-you can hit the 72 hour mark with little discomfort.As I said in one of my too many posts on the subject,I regularly voluntarily skip dosing for 2 1/2 days with no problem.I am doing it as we speak.There is a little thing called psychosomatic symptoms.It is true however that withdrawal symptoms vary from subject to subject and that you are one of those who is extremely sensitive...Who really knows but you?Just like you only know how you feel,Raoul only knows what Raoul feels.Therefore,giving him an opinion on whats best for him,especially when we do not know him personally,is counter productive.The best thing anyone can do for anyone is to relate their own personal experiences in similar situations and stop projecting their own subjective thoughts into the mix...

You are high on methadone?Good,that is also subjective.What is not subjective is the fact that methadone in oral form does not produce euphoria.If nodding is your idea of "high" then you have found your niche.Personally,as a junkie,I like to feel good.Euphoria is the key.If you are taking "medicine" for pain management then why are you concerned with being high?
 
^As for going long without a maintenence dose, i take about 20mgs a day of bupe and i havent dosed since tuesday night and its sunday and i feel fine, no wd symtoms at all, is this weird?
 
bupe...

Depends on a couple of factors...Duration of addiction,any other meds,etc.

As for me,I am at 60 hours [as I often am] and am going to go reheat some nasty stir fry to grab on my way out the door to work.I feel great.I am going to go sweat it out for 12 hours underneath New York...As usual I will not dose until this evening so I guess I was wrong about my going 2 1/2 days without my dose-its actually closer to 3 days plus.Methadone is not the evil hydra everyone cautiously whispers about.
 
You can not take your dose for 3 days and feel no ill effects? I know your dose is somewhat higer (150'ish I think you said) and you have said you have been on maintence for 10 years.

Is it psychological thinking or just that you are set in your ways. I could see maybee the body always having a steady amount of methadone in the body and slowly releasing it or I dont know I am babbling...

I know if I went 60 hrs without dosing I wouldnt be able to move, methadone does last long as the mental aspect always hits me first at the 24hr mark tricking my body into thinking I need it but in actuality if I dont think about it withdrawls would start to set in 48hrs. if I was occupied.

I just want to hear some old dope copping stories from you as I am sure you have plenty. What was the heroin trade like in the early 80's in NYC, as it is today with new faces...? I love drug porn, hope you stay on this site for a bit as you obviously know the deal...

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71757&highlight=Monkey
 
rachamim18, The one thing that I can guarantee is that you have no idea what your talking about.. First you say I'm sensitive to narcotic withdrawals.. yet clonadine helped me greatly, so if it will help someone who was taking as much oxycodone as I was I can guarantee that it will help someone taking no more then 15mgs a day of codeine.

Nextly I stated that I still get a high from methadone. I didn't say I took if for that reason. but , if you had been on this site for any time at all, you would know that I was an opioid addict years before I fucked my back up.. But as a newbie to this site, and obviously to methadone as well, (no withdrawals after 3 days???? I'd have to wonder if you take it daily at all) I still took oxycodone even once I quit getting a high from it, I took it for PAIN, But yes. EVERY PERSON WHO TAKES OPIOIDS EVERYDAY, FOR PAIN OR PLEASURE IS AN ADDICT. If you get drunk three times a year a doctor considers you an alcoholic.. SO while I have a pain issue, I also have an addiction issue.. and yes I still like to get high off of the shit from time to time.. Same as anyone else..

But for you to even imply that this guy would be better off taking a high powerful, 5x's as addictive drug, (methadone vs codeine) come on.. this is a harm reduction board. Your telling this guy to take his 15mg a day habit and turn it into a 100mg a day methadone habit sounds like dumb ass advice, and the advice usually doesn't fall far from the dumb ass whose giving it.

I was offering him a solution before his habit really got out of hand, He hasn't even tried to stop. Now as I stated before..

And I'll do it slow so you can understand.

If all he is wanting.

is to get put on a strong opioid.

and he doesn't have a real reason to take it.

then his only option is a methadone clinic.

then guess what.. he's going to go do what he wants to no matter what we say.

This man WANTS TO be and opioid addict, so he is going to be one. I have been there.. so it doesn't matter what we say to him..

But you need to quit giving him wrong information, and you need to take harm reduction into account when you are talking to people.. and giving out advice!!


Later,

The Opioid Receptor.
 
I don't know what is going on within these conversations but I hears something about catching a buzz from methadone and just wanted to let whoever know that I deffinitly catch a buzz after an hour taking my methadose and lasts a few hours. I've been on this same 110mg dose for about two weeks now. Probably because I've only been on MMT for 2 and a half months.
 
I beg to differ Negro...There have ,on very rare occaisons,been people who have in fact been on 300+ mgs. of methadone.However,I was speaking in terms of maintenance guidelines as offered by the A.M.A. as well as O.A.S.I.S.Most states in fact try to limit ones dosage to 100 mgs.I think that I touched on this before but some individuals who are on protease inhibitors are required to consume exceedingly high doses.I myself,due to my Hepatitis-C am on 190.The highest dose in my clinic is currently 280.As far as the maximum dose one could theoretically take,I myself have safely consumed 600+ within a 12 hour period several times
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Did you read my post? I said, before you posted the above:


Also about dosing, I have been up to 240mg/day, taken orally in one morning dose. Supposedly the legal limit in my state is 180mg, but there is a DEA form to allow doses above this, which i had in my case. So doses up to 240/250mg are not impossible, its just not very common. Doses up to 300-400mg have been heard of, but again, not common.
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I was agreeing with you. I have safely dosed into the 800;s for recreation..

And about going 60 hours without methadone: I am in the same boat with blah, although ive only been on methadone for 2 years (though my doses, ranging up to 240mg, were quite high), i could definately not go 60 hours, save 7 days, without getting very, very ill. I have done it, and i was chained to the toilet, spewing violently from every orifice........
 
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I think I read too much into your post Negro,I apologize.

Well I dosed about 4 hours ago having not had any since 8 A.M. Friday,80 hours without a dose.The longest I have gone without was 5 days in Rikers Island [about a year ago].It is easier for someone on a high dose and with several years dosing.I know that your dose was comparable to mine at some point [perhaps it still is].I do know that if I were on say 50 mgs., I would have had feces running down my pants leg.A great deal of it is psychosomatic as I said before.At work today I went online during my lunch break, and after reading BlahBlahs last post started to feel myself slipping [Thanks Blah {sic}].I got a chill or two but resolved to put it away.In order to bank my doses I often skip weekends.
 
excuse my ignorance with MMT, but?

^^^ wow, 3 days is a long time, plus, you do physical activity (and I suspect my answer lies in the fact that rach is on such a high dose, comparatively speaking)...I have a question then, since the half-life is so long with methadone, why is it so hard to taper. For instance, if it is possible to go 3-days, why not cut dose at day 2 by 5 mg (or even 10mg), and cycle a 5-mg (or 10) cut every 2 days of nondose.

schedule would be (hypothetically)

100mg day 1
day 2 nothing
day 3 nothing
90mg day 4
day 5 nothing
day 6 nothing
80mg day 8

(at this point, I imagine the 10mg decrease may become a bit severe, so 10mg decreases would be ill advised--but 5mg could be done, if I am right?)

so, my question: why do I always hear it takes so very long for lowering of dose?

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with all the recent work going into addiction treatment, I really do hope that the powers that be (and understanding research clinicians) can come up with an even better alternative. Imagine: a one-dose pill that completely cleans receptors (and tolerance) and gives a 7-day alternative high (unlike the adverse-effect LAAM) that completely kills any WDs. Oh, a boy can dream, can't he?

-swybs
 
Bullshit name-calling and stupid comments removed.

Unedited version sent to Worst of Bluelight forum.

Go off on a poster like that again and this thread gets locked, raoulduke.

-BlueAdonis
 
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I appreciate all of you, even the Opioid Receptor giving me advice and everything from experience but you really don't know how i feel. Last year i wouldn't go to school for weeks at a time cuz i was so sick, this year i was so depressed that everytime i woke up in the morning i was having suicidal thoughts and always kept thinking negative, and always felt bad. I had clonazepam, but it really didnt work for that. I have come to the conclusion that opiates have permanantley changed my brain chemisty. You really dont know what i have done, so you really cant say anything. And thank you for sharing with me, i really appreciate everybody's responses but, you shouldn't take me for a dummy who 'want to be addicted'. I am taking methadone because i've been trying to quite opiates for mabye 1 and half years, and i was never able to, as soon as i wasn't sick no more i would use again, and so on and so on. And i am taking methadone to stop doing drugs, since i've been taking methadone i don't even have a desire to smoke weed that much anymore. So i would like to stay on the program in order TO GET MY LIFE STRAIGHT!

Another question about methadone is weather your tolerance to methadone increases the same as it would with normal opiates. For example i am taking 30mg a day and feeling pretty good for pretty much the whole day. Will this 30mgs still feel the same in 1-2 months or no?
 
rebuttals and other useless nonsense...

Raoul:You have to do what is best for you.You know,over the years I have met many different types of people with many different types of habits.I have met more than a couple who had steady habits of 1 to 1 1/2 New York dimes [10 to 15 mgs. of adulterated heroin] a day for years at a time.Habits along with all that they entail are highly subjective.Different strokes etc.I must have said this a thousand times if i've said it once:If you feel that your usage is out of control,regardless of the substance or amount,then you should take whatever steps are necessary in order to regain stability.Alot of people obviously feel that your habit is a joke,etc.That joke of a habit could still cost you your job or education,it could definitely effect your personal relationsips,and could even lead you into legal difficulties-just like a monster habit.Opiate Receptor believes that it is a bad idea to trade in a seemingly benign habit like yours for a much worse habit [in his and most others minds]...The thing he is neglecting to consider is that you would be exchanging an illegal and unstable lifestyle for a legal and stable one.He raises the issue that you just want easy access to opiates/opioids as if that mattered.You are an addict so I do not know why he even raises that as an issue.Addictions entail different components one of which is mental/emotional.Maybe he forgot the difference between methadone assisted detox and methadone maintenance.they are two very different philosophys.

One final issue and I would like to address this one to Opiate himself:Please concentrate on the definition of "harm reduction."Its really pretty simple.You see,since people are going to do drugs anyway, they should at least be as educated as possible so as to minimize any possible danger.That does not include projecting ones own biases into the mix.
 
Instead of skipping weekends to "bank" your dosage, why dont you do what i do. My clinic thinks im on 180mg/day, but im actually on 140-150mg a day. This way i save 3-4 10mg per day. I am going to continue doing this untill as long as i can. When im at 80mg, i will be getting 10 10mg pills, EVERY day. This adds up fast, i even at 3-4 10mg pills/day i have already saved up alot. You could also request to have your dose raised, and simply not take the pills. I dont know about your clinic, but they never make me take it in front of them, and since ive been there 2 years, i only have to go once, and drug test every 1.5 months.......

I dont know though, that is very strange that you can go 80 hours without violently expelling all bodily fluids; my only guess why you can achieve this, is because of the duration you have been on methadone so you have a strong and consistent methadone blood level, but then again, ebeneezer and blah have been on methadone for as long as you, and they seem to experience withdrawal from stopping for 60 hours+ (if im not mistaken). Consider yourself luckly to be able to do this. But i know when i am vomiting and shaking like crazy from methadone withdrawal, it is definately not psychosomatic. I dont "crave" methadone like i crave heroin. I dont think about methadone or dream about, i just need it physically, whereas with heroin, i dream about it extensively, and DO experience psychosomatic withdrawal. But with methadone, its straight physical dependence in my case, and when i was withdrawing on the third day without my 240mg/day dose, it was DEFINATELY not psychosomatic, it was one of my worst opioid/opiate withdrawals i can think of, a withdrawal rivaled only by my 170mg diazepam withdrawals (gran mals, delerium tremens etc). I wish i could go 80 hours without dosing, but i simply will get sick. But my method of saying im on 180mg, but only taking 140/50mg/day, works well, because i dont have to stop taking the methadone and go through withdrawal in order to collect extra methadone. The way i have it set up, my methadone reserves just grow larger and larger, and i rarely try to double/triple my dose in order to get high, i am saving them untill im off methadone so i can get high occasionally
 
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Negro...

You know...in all the time I have been on methadone I never once thought about the obsession factor in relation to heroin.I was incarcerated for 4 years when I was younger and used to dream about heroin on a daily basis,seriously.I have never once dreamed about methadone.It is something I should definitely think more about.

On my banking my doses.Here in N.Y.C. there are very,very few clinics that allow the patient to take their methadone home in its original concentrated state.In fact,aside from medical maintenance and the pilot program for high maintenance patients, there is only 1 and that is specifically for H.I.V. positive people [why they do not consider that medical maintenance I have no idea].In my clinic,Montefiore,Jerome Ave,they are currently dispensing white diskette.Even with my 6 takehomes I have to have my diskettes watered down with hot water.The only alternative is not a pretty one:In Rikers guys would take the thin plastic gloves they would provide the "housemen" with for cleaning the bathrooms and stick them in their mouths.When they would call "meds" they would pour their dose into the glove or worse yet hold in their mouths and spit it into the glove upon leaving the presence of a c.o.In this way they would save [and sometimes sell] their doses.Here in N.Y. the clinics usually prohibit the use of the bathroom after one doses.My clinic is not quite that strict ,but even so I would have to hold it in my mouth,etc.I find it easier to just take my takehomes and bank 2 of them [Sat. and Sun.] for the eventual emergency.


I have heard you speak of your clinic before.Here there is a very similar program:Gramercy.I just do not see the point of paying an outrageous amount,even with the superior setting.currently,thanks to having worked at World Trade post 9/11 I do not pay a cent.Most people do not hold jobs and as a result have their doses covered by Medicaid.the lucky bastards also get reimbursed for their transportation but since Im not paying I should shut my mouth.In Tampa,Fl. where I originally enrolled in 1993 I was paying 10 dollars a day,although I imagine the price must have increased since 1997.Paying over 300 a month was bad enough,I cannot imagine shelling out 1500 per month.
 
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