raoulduke
Bluelighter
They started me off at 15mg, and told me i can talk to my doctors about adjusting the dosage. I had about half hour ago, i can't feel shit. Is 15mg even an amount that you can notice?
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uumpaloompa
Bluelighter
takes longer than a half hour to feel methadone....
I felt like that myself from binging then staying clean for a few days inbetween to avoid physical addiction. If 45mg of Codeine held you then I think you have made a big mistake.
Get the fuck off that shit before you do acquire a real habit. After I stopped using for a few weeks my depression lifted and now I use 1 maybe 2 times a week. But I treat it with much more respect as I did have 2 instances of withdrawl (mild but a taste).
raoulduke
Bluelighter
OKay it's alright, im not fucked though, im gonna ask to increase to 30mg to be really good. Next monday that is....I can feel it now but its cuz i smoked weed. Otherwise i would compare methadone to oxy's in that it gets me motivated and straightened. I like it, so far it's okay but a little adjusting and ill be set at 30mg most likley. That way i wont need other drugs, and that should work....
raoulduke
Bluelighter
BIG UPS TO METHADONE MAINTANCE
oh and i also meet a few cool people my age there who were very supportive and were pretty cool.
oh and i also meet a few cool people my age there who were very supportive and were pretty cool.
raoulduke
Bluelighter
What happens if i take opiates like codeine with it? Potentate it or not?
raoulduke
Bluelighter
Another question, if i use methadone everyday for 2 months say at 15-30mg a day, will i get withdrawls one day if i dont take any that day? Another question, will i be able to get horny and be able to fuck as i would normally(off opioids) or what do you think? And lastly, if i take Ecstacy on the day i take methadone will the E still hit me and want to fuck and everything? :D
hazejunk
Bluelighter
codeine is not very strong,butt it will Potentate a little
other stronger opiates will by nice....
other stronger opiates will by nice....
I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but have you tried to quit cold turkey? I realize you may have a physical dependance to codiene but withdrawing may not be as bad as you think.
Methdone is not a status symbol but a way of life for many people, my friends included. You should be proud that you are facing your addiction but be aware of other methods before you go for methadone detox or MMT.
Not trying to be critical, but many people I know wish they had tried another route.
Methdone is not a status symbol but a way of life for many people, my friends included. You should be proud that you are facing your addiction but be aware of other methods before you go for methadone detox or MMT.
Not trying to be critical, but many people I know wish they had tried another route.
negrogesic
Bluelight Crew
^^^No, codeine probably wont do shit, although if your only on 20-30mg it may do something.
The problem with taking other opiates/opioids with methadone, is the competition for receptor space. Most things cant compete with methadone, but some can, and if you are a chronic MMT user, you make experience withdrawal.
And its somewhat of a myth that methadone "blocks" other opioids. Its simply a matter of methadone having an EXTREMELY high affinity to the mu receptors, and it takes quite abit to overcome it. But it really is simply a matter of tolerance, and methadone creates a very strong tolerance. And there is no "set" dose where other opioids stop working when taking methadone. Again its just a matter of tolerance, and if you take enough of a strong opioid, you can bypass any amount. For example, when i was on 180mg, i would shoot .8-1.2g of tar heroin per shot, and i would get VERY high. I am on 150mg now, and i shoot .5g of better quality heroin 2-3 times a week, and i get high, enough to nod usually. Same with shooting two 10mg duragesics, which would get me high on 180mg of methadone. Levorphanol also seems to work very well in permeating methadones strong-hold on the receptors. Also one of the best way of beating methadone's tolerance, is by taking more methadone. Doubling your dose can get you very high, as methadone works very well ontop of methadone...
So really, its simply a matter of dosing high, as there is no dose of methadone that you can not get high on if you just use enough heroin or whatever strong opioid (levorphanol, heroin, fentanyl analogues). Also, in attempting to defeat the high dose methadone tolerance, its best to try to get high when you are the furthest away from when you took the methadone, so the methadone is well past its peak and its easier to surpass. This is why i shoot heroin at night, as if i were to shoot the same amount of heroin 5 hours after taking my methadone i would not experience the same high. But there is definately no dose that methadone cannot be overpowered, you just have to becarefull of the possibly fatal respiratory depression. Tolerance to euphoria is DEFINATELY different than tolerance to respiratory depression, and tolerance to euphoria grows far faster than the tolerance to the respiratory depression. They definately dont grow at the same rate, so keep this in mind.....
Also about dosing, I have been up to 240mg/day, taken orally in one morning dose. Supposedly the legal limit in my state is 180mg, but there is a DEA form to allow doses above this, which i had in my case. So doses up to 240/250mg are not impossible, its just not very common. Doses up to 300-400mg have been heard of, but again, not common. But i wasnt at 240mg for much longer than 60 days; it was definately getting me high, i have to admit that....
The problem with taking other opiates/opioids with methadone, is the competition for receptor space. Most things cant compete with methadone, but some can, and if you are a chronic MMT user, you make experience withdrawal.
And its somewhat of a myth that methadone "blocks" other opioids. Its simply a matter of methadone having an EXTREMELY high affinity to the mu receptors, and it takes quite abit to overcome it. But it really is simply a matter of tolerance, and methadone creates a very strong tolerance. And there is no "set" dose where other opioids stop working when taking methadone. Again its just a matter of tolerance, and if you take enough of a strong opioid, you can bypass any amount. For example, when i was on 180mg, i would shoot .8-1.2g of tar heroin per shot, and i would get VERY high. I am on 150mg now, and i shoot .5g of better quality heroin 2-3 times a week, and i get high, enough to nod usually. Same with shooting two 10mg duragesics, which would get me high on 180mg of methadone. Levorphanol also seems to work very well in permeating methadones strong-hold on the receptors. Also one of the best way of beating methadone's tolerance, is by taking more methadone. Doubling your dose can get you very high, as methadone works very well ontop of methadone...
So really, its simply a matter of dosing high, as there is no dose of methadone that you can not get high on if you just use enough heroin or whatever strong opioid (levorphanol, heroin, fentanyl analogues). Also, in attempting to defeat the high dose methadone tolerance, its best to try to get high when you are the furthest away from when you took the methadone, so the methadone is well past its peak and its easier to surpass. This is why i shoot heroin at night, as if i were to shoot the same amount of heroin 5 hours after taking my methadone i would not experience the same high. But there is definately no dose that methadone cannot be overpowered, you just have to becarefull of the possibly fatal respiratory depression. Tolerance to euphoria is DEFINATELY different than tolerance to respiratory depression, and tolerance to euphoria grows far faster than the tolerance to the respiratory depression. They definately dont grow at the same rate, so keep this in mind.....
Also about dosing, I have been up to 240mg/day, taken orally in one morning dose. Supposedly the legal limit in my state is 180mg, but there is a DEA form to allow doses above this, which i had in my case. So doses up to 240/250mg are not impossible, its just not very common. Doses up to 300-400mg have been heard of, but again, not common. But i wasnt at 240mg for much longer than 60 days; it was definately getting me high, i have to admit that....
K'dOUTinAZ
Bluelighter
Bad_Boy_Blue said:
Dude, you get drug tested 8)
hazejunk
Bluelighter
negrogesic i don't think your advice is the right advice for this person
he is on a low dosge and iff iam right he can get high off smoking or iving only a little H
it workt for my when i use methadone i only smoke a little H and get realy high
he is on a low dosge and iff iam right he can get high off smoking or iving only a little H
it workt for my when i use methadone i only smoke a little H and get realy high
negrogesic
Bluelight Crew
^^^^I wasnt giving advice.
I was talking about myth of the so called "blocking" properties of methadone, and confirming the fact that methadone is sometimes used in 300mg+ doses, at least in the united states, and some parts of europe (i thought i remembered reading a study of people using 300mg like doses in the UK, but it might have been in another western european country)...........
I was talking about myth of the so called "blocking" properties of methadone, and confirming the fact that methadone is sometimes used in 300mg+ doses, at least in the united states, and some parts of europe (i thought i remembered reading a study of people using 300mg like doses in the UK, but it might have been in another western european country)...........
hazejunk
Bluelighter
hmm....ok sorry![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
rachamim18
Bluelighter
blocking semantics...
Actually Negros explanation on how methadone works is correct.Even so,by dominating the receptors it is in effect "blocking" any other opiate from accessing these same receptors...But enough of splitting hairs.
Negro,I wish I could report similar experiences in trying to overcome methadones "blocking" capabilities but alas...I have never had the good fortune.Many people do in fact report the same thing as you-then again it might just be a case of subjective reasoning.Either way I am sure that we can agree that it is not a simple task to do so and that if a person does intend to continue using opiates while on methadone than they would be well advised to stay at a minimal dose.
Raoul...Although I have never seen a clinic [outside of jails or institutions] that offered an initial dose of less than 30 mgs., I suppose it makes sense.If a clinic would enroll you with your minimal history of opiate use than certainly they would want to give you an equivalent dose.Anyway,I am glad that you have found it helpful so far.
Actually Negros explanation on how methadone works is correct.Even so,by dominating the receptors it is in effect "blocking" any other opiate from accessing these same receptors...But enough of splitting hairs.
Negro,I wish I could report similar experiences in trying to overcome methadones "blocking" capabilities but alas...I have never had the good fortune.Many people do in fact report the same thing as you-then again it might just be a case of subjective reasoning.Either way I am sure that we can agree that it is not a simple task to do so and that if a person does intend to continue using opiates while on methadone than they would be well advised to stay at a minimal dose.
Raoul...Although I have never seen a clinic [outside of jails or institutions] that offered an initial dose of less than 30 mgs., I suppose it makes sense.If a clinic would enroll you with your minimal history of opiate use than certainly they would want to give you an equivalent dose.Anyway,I am glad that you have found it helpful so far.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
dosing maximums...
I beg to differ Negro...There have ,on very rare occaisons,been people who have in fact been on 300+ mgs. of methadone.However,I was speaking in terms of maintenance guidelines as offered by the A.M.A. as well as O.A.S.I.S.Most states in fact try to limit ones dosage to 100 mgs.I think that I touched on this before but some individuals who are on protease inhibitors are required to consume exceedingly high doses.I myself,due to my Hepatitis-C am on 190.The highest dose in my clinic is currently 280.As far as the maximum dose one could theoretically take,I myself have safely consumed 600+ within a 12 hour period several times.
I beg to differ Negro...There have ,on very rare occaisons,been people who have in fact been on 300+ mgs. of methadone.However,I was speaking in terms of maintenance guidelines as offered by the A.M.A. as well as O.A.S.I.S.Most states in fact try to limit ones dosage to 100 mgs.I think that I touched on this before but some individuals who are on protease inhibitors are required to consume exceedingly high doses.I myself,due to my Hepatitis-C am on 190.The highest dose in my clinic is currently 280.As far as the maximum dose one could theoretically take,I myself have safely consumed 600+ within a 12 hour period several times.
Bad_Boy_Blue
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K'dOUTinAZ said:
That doesn't mean you can't use drugs. They tell you in advance when the urine tests are, and they usually give you a second and third chance before they actually kick you off the programme.
raoulduke
Bluelighter
Who here who is on maintance gets high for 12 hours? My dose of 15mg at the moment lasts me for a good 6-8 hours i'd say but im going to increase it to 30mg, will that be enough to feel all day long?
rachamim18
Bluelighter
more on methadone...
If a clinic tells you when you are getting a urine test count yourself lucky,it very rarely happens.What will happen if your test comes back positive really depends on the policy of that paticular clinic.Most will raise your dose 10 milligrams and perhaps increase your pick up scheduale.Some have a zero tolerance policy with regards to other substance use.In that case you might be threatened with administrative detox.
Raoul...Although you might not be high for 12 hours the methadone is still doing its job which is to keep withdrawal symptoms at bay.For most its not a high per se in any case...Unless you are talking about i.v. ampoules, as in the U.K., there is no euphoria.You will nod ,but for an experienced opiate addict that is not much consolation.If you are talking about the nod Raoul,it can last in intermittent cycles for more than 12 hours-it just depends on the person.
If a clinic tells you when you are getting a urine test count yourself lucky,it very rarely happens.What will happen if your test comes back positive really depends on the policy of that paticular clinic.Most will raise your dose 10 milligrams and perhaps increase your pick up scheduale.Some have a zero tolerance policy with regards to other substance use.In that case you might be threatened with administrative detox.
Raoul...Although you might not be high for 12 hours the methadone is still doing its job which is to keep withdrawal symptoms at bay.For most its not a high per se in any case...Unless you are talking about i.v. ampoules, as in the U.K., there is no euphoria.You will nod ,but for an experienced opiate addict that is not much consolation.If you are talking about the nod Raoul,it can last in intermittent cycles for more than 12 hours-it just depends on the person.
K'dOUTinAZ
Bluelighter
raoulduke said:
I'm still on a cloud for about 6-8 hours after consumption but the rest of the day I'm still w/d free and feel perfectly alright.
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