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I need to help my 80 year old grandmother get relief from her cancer.

LogicSoDeveloped

LogicSoDeveloped

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Hello fellow bluelighters, I come to you guys in need. My grandmother is currently receiving chemotherapy for cancer. We are not in a medical state so she cannot get a card/grow/etc. She is in awful shape as in she is having incessant nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, pain, etc. She has objected to Marijuana use, been resistant and even indirectly busted me a few years ago and my grandfather being the assistant chief in my town (when he was alive years ago) prob didn't improve her opinion toward drugs. Me, trying to be understanding, has put all of this behind me for what has happened this evening.

Tonight I was speaking with her about her cancer and she stated "the medical marijuana pill doesn't help me." at which point I saw her prescription for Dronabinol. I got on bluelight, did a little research, and came back explaining to her what I found out. This time around, she was quite receptive. She didn't cut me off, get mad, or disagree. She even started asking some questions about marijuana and I told her the truth (I won't get into it as I would think that everyone on the Cannabis forum knows a decent bit about pot) From what it seems to me, she is coming around. She doesn't want to get high, she just wants to feel normal.

I'm a daily pot smoker so I obviously have some around and wouldn't mind sharing. The tough part is method of ingestion. She isn't against the smoking aspect, she's just afraid of the negative effects of the smoke. I told her about edibles but I'm not sure how to dose them properly. I have access to both high grade and mid grade bud. The high grade is a great indica that I think would be perfect for her ailments. She's a smaller, short lady probably weighs between 110-130 at 4'11."

Does anyone have an idea of how I can help my grandmother feel better?

If you have any questions that relate to this, I'll answer them.
 
damn i can relate to this so much. this exact same thing happened to my grandfather when he had cancer. its tough to see someone go in so much pain.

are you an experienced cook? that is have you cooked marijuana edibles before? it took a little technique for me, even with looking up countless recipes and ideas. do not get me wrong! i would have been no where without those and probably gotten no where. so do your research, purchase some low-grade mids (because they are cheap and you can afford to fuck up your first couple batches) and help give the care your grandma desperately needs :)

, cook up some brownies. i personally prefer cookies though. it goes better with weed. i also like making weed cream (hahah like half and half or milk type cream) that i put in my coffee in the morning. i would only try the brownies/cookies first for her though. they are easier to measure dosages. i suggest trying the edible before you give it to her so you can gauge how much to give her. sometimes when i use the weed cream, i wake up with an extra kick to say the least hahahah
 
Vaporization. Also, very gentle small hits off a joint (this little amount of smoke won't harm her).

I don't suggest edibles because they never worked for me (and yes I followed the recipes) and because for those whom they do work for, I've read many stories of extremely hard trips, throwing up, being high for days, etc. Basically oral cannabis if dosed wrong can make you trip hard and for me at least, thc trips are a lot scarier and more difficult to handle than mushroom or acid trips and they last longer too (longer than mushrooms that is).
 
I've made edibles before but they were geared toward getting me high, also considering my tolerance. If I made some of similar potency, they would probably make her sick.
They worked well though, not only me but my friends as well all said they got pretty high from both mid grade and high grade batches I've made. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an expert, I've only made cannabudder and only did it 3 times. I never wanted to be patient to cook it into other stuff but now I'm going to try. Thanks for your help; I am always appreciative of advice on something like this.

I never thought I'd be getting my grandmother high. How much would you recommend in an edible for someone with no tolerance? From what I hear, since edibles are a bit more potent, they aren't recommended as much. I disagree though, I just need to know how much.

Would anyone have any estimates on quantity of ingredients? I only ask because this isn't for just anyone, it is for my grandmother who raised me. I'll be 19 this fall but still, she has been like a mother to me so I want her to get better.

I'm guessing that the amount of bud to use is going to be quite low but exact numbers would be great :)

EDIT: btw, I'm hoping to avoid her smoking. I love weed, don't get me wrong, but I don't want her to feel guilty about using weed. I understand that she is in no position to be hateful but she's in really bad shape and I want to make her comfortable with pot because I think if she has a few good first uses, she'll really warm up to it. She's lived her whole life with a stigma towards pot and other drugs and something like that is hard to get rid of at her age.
 
why not just give her a half or quarter of the brownie. that's what i was trying to say
 
just get one of those packages of Nestle or Betty Crocker cookies where you only need to add butter and eggs. It is impossible to fuck those up.
All you need to do is make and store some butter and you can whip up a batch whenever.

Seriously. Those cookies come out right no matter what, specifically the Betty Crocker one's in the foil package.
 
whatever edible you make, give her an incredibly low, low dose. Make sure it is not sativa. Remember, she has not been high before, so recall what happened to you the first time you smoked, and further, the first time you ate.

Treating pain on your own is not generally a good idea. It is a real shame there is not MMJ where you two are, it will be very difficult to get the dosing correct the first time she gets high. Remember even one hit from a bowl could be too much.

This thread scares me, I wish there was a better way to help. If she is worried about smoke I suggest a vaporizer, and a 1-hit packed in of pure indica.
 
I think bud could help but your grandmas old. For someone that's never gotten high in there life 80 is not a good time to start. Is your grandma on morphine or any opiates?that's what's going to make a difference. I know you just want to do your best to help. But I could picture weed being a bad trip for someone in that condition. Not that it wouldn't help, its just to hard to gauge potency like another poster said.
 
Yeah make some edibles but give her a low dose and have it made with an indica strain. Really try to give her a small amount and if she's fine with that maybe try to increase it slowly. Honestly I think a vaporizer would be pretty good as well, like others have said. Maybe even try to call up someone experienced in this field.....you can find all these numbers online. I think that would be a great idea.

By the way you don't have to be getting potent strains, maybe even try mids with her? I think they would work just as well. If not better due to her age.
 
The safest way to do this would be to way out .1 of some high grade medical. Divide that up into 4.

Then let her smoke that one piece which should be 25mg's. But I still say it's a bad idea and would look into opiates.

Imagine if you had cancer and never blazed before in your life. Weed sort of magnifies everything that's going on around you. If you feel shitty, it's going to make you feel shittier.

What i'm saying is this has Bad trip written all over it.
 
I haven't seen if you answered about the vaporizer suggestion/s. This is definitely what I'd suggest. It's a 'clean(er)' way to get the effects of the cannabis- compared to smoking, that is. If edibles didn't do the trick or do what she wanted/was looking to experience from the weed - def. try the vape. It can be an expensive thing to purchase but well worth if if used regularly and if you are serious about avoiding certain health risks. They are highly effective, high hits FAST (unlike edibles), to me - I feel more 'in control' of my high when (if not smoking my weed) a vaporizer is used. Edibles creep up, the high seemingly coming up out of nowhere (yes, you can KIND Of feel it increasing in 'strength') and lasts (for me) a bit too long. As said, try a nice indica - OR, there are some great hybrids that are not too 'heady' or heavy, won't leave her feeling too high/stoned or leave her with what some call a dirty high or one that'll leave you anxious/paranoid.

Do you use any sites or dispensaries for your strains. Or, how do you go about choosing which strain she tries? If you'd like suggestions, PM me!
 
Like everyone said vaporizers are the way to go

But if your thinking of edibles and want to control the doses my best advice would be make her firecrackers and put like .2 or something small until she builds a tolerance
 
Update:the brownies are currently baking. I'm going to break off the tiniest chunk I can and give it to her. If she doesn't feel anything in 4 hours, then I'll give her maybe 1.5x the amount and increase by .5x until she notes light effects then decide what to do from there. I have an iolite but I had some issues with it for a while so I haven't used it in a while but I enjoyed it when I used it. I bought it from some guy on craigslist but it worked fine. Maybe I messed it up or something. Not sure.

Thanks for your collective concern though and let me know what you think. I don't plan on doing anything until I form a solid plan with you guys. Not saying you guys should feel responsible for my actions; rather, harm reduction happens when I get good advice.

EDIT:aborted plan for now, she asked me tonight if I smoked "some kind of pot" because she "sees ashes in my room." Then went on to say something about me not being able to make eye contact with her...

btw, she is on opiates so that may be causing her to suddenly think pot is okay then snap out of it as she's a small lady and is strongly affected by medications.
 
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dcraver877 said:
cannabis/kratom brownies?

i had a wonderful dream about this recipe last night...seriously, a dream, i haven't tried it yet....
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I'm sorry but this sounds like a dumb idea. Kratom isn't going to do anything to somone that's already taking opiods. Why would somone want to take a weak opiate when they could get anything they possibly want. As for your combo, if the brownies are strong they'll probably over power the kratom, however the kratom might add some stimulation to the brownie buzz.
 
It sounds like you are being very careful about not giving her too much, OP, but I cannot stress the danger enough.
I have had (young) friends freak out when they ate too much.
It is very easy to do.
It is very hard to control your dose with edibles.
That is why a vape is a better ROA.

I hope that she gets the relief she needs.
 
slimvictor said:
It sounds like you are being very careful about not giving her too much, OP, but I cannot stress the danger enough.
I have had (young) friends freak out when they ate too much.
It is very easy to do.
It is very hard to control your dose with edibles.
That is why a vape is a better ROA.

I hope that she gets the relief she needs.
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Thanks man, some of my friends call me too careful but I don't want to get in trouble with the law but more importantly I don't want her in any worse shape than she is and I'd rather her not have any if she's against it than to push her. I didn't get the chance to bring it up but I might in a week or so.

EDIT:I've been snacking on the brownies all day and boy have I been baked. They aren't overly potent though. It was my first time using oil instead of budder and first time ever making brownies also but they turned out fine.
 
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The more I think about this the more it seems like a poor idea. If she as opiates, the truth of the matter is that is the strongest relief for pain. If she is having hunger issues she should consult her doctor.

We really aren't here to help you break the law, and this thread is leaning very close to this... topped off with the fact that she changes her mind. If she has her blood drawn and tested at any point for the opiates, she would be pretty fucked over. I don't know the circumstances surrounding this, but this is a tough one to really go on about. There is a lot of potential for a harmful situation rather then harm reduction besides telling you not to make her trip out.

Anyway if she doesn't want to use cannabis while sober, you shouldn't feed it to her while she is high on opiates. It sounds like the case.
 
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