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Opioids I need some advice...

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dimensionalz

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Hello, i'm completely new to bluelight but have been reading alot of harm reduction stuff here for months because i don't want to destroy my body nor my brain. I'm am not a addict and i also live a pretty good life with good grades in school and so on and my future looks really bright nowadays. The thing is... i love to get high and nod sometimes but as i can't get hold of any kratom i still want to get high on some sweet opiate, the thing is that i don't know which one is the most safe to use in terms of heart problems (the heart stops beating) /difficulty breathing etc...

I can begin with that i don't have an addictive personality and have used opiates like tramadol, oxy and subutex once in a while (not much and i don't have "cravings" for it). I can use subutex 1-2 day in one month and then stop easliy and don't think about it for 3 months, not even a single thought about getting high on opiates.. i'm that kind of person who could share my 8mg of subutex with friends without wanting money for it, i'm a "sharer" right... So my question is... what is the safest opiate to use only *ONCE IN A WHILE* (don't want people telling me its addictive, it is but it depends on the person who takes it - since i live a pretty good life and have a lovely caring girlfriend who takes care of me really well i have no potential getting addicted) So back to my point... i like the opiate high more than i like alcohol which only makes me feel TOOO fucked up. I have zero tolerance to opiates so i don't need high dosages, 1mg or less (actually much less) of subutex is enough for me, i don't need more. Other people i know crush all of the 8mg and do it all in one day, i can have 1x 8mg for about 3 weeks or more if i want too because i don't want to be high all time right... i just like being a little high when playing guild wars... so what i'm saying here is that i'm trying to be a "safe-user" and just have a good time... not to escape reality like many other do... I hate stimulants except mdma which i use one time a year for spiritual purposes, i don't really enjoy benzos because i feel sick taking them, xanax is the only benzo i actually enjoyed and one that didn't make me feel sick.

Now to my problem - im extremely afraid of respiratory arrest or cardiac arrest ........ i know that opiods are pretty safe when it comes to toxicity and thats one of the reason why i like them + the effects...

Which opiate is the most safe one to use in my case? Tramadol, no thanks, i don't want to cramp... thats a really scary thought so i rather skip that...

please help me bluelight... :/ excuse me for my horrific writing...
 
ALL opioids can cause respiratory depression.
It depends on the dose. Tramadol can be just as dangerous as heroin.
As long as you get the dose right, all opioids are safe.
Subutex is safer than the other opioids because it's a partial agonist... so if you enjoy it, no need to switch to something else.
 
alright... thank you for the answer flyhighk, i appreciate it...

how about opium? raw opium vs subutex in safety?

I care for my life and i also care for my body a lot, but i do want to have a really really great time sometimes too...
 
HR-
Getting hooked on buprenorphine is the biggest mistake I made- thought I was getting myself "help"! I know you aren't an addict, so keep you're brain healthy and free from the permanent changes that opioids cause to the brain structure.
Tramadol is a good alternative if you are someone who can handle bad days/negative emtions without needing a crutch- cuz that is sure one painful and depressing cruth to get off of!

GL mate, sorry I'm not saying what u may want to hear. Just can't keep my mouth shut after all the pain recreational use caused when things got real.
 
dimensionalz said:
alright... thank you for the answer flyhighk, i appreciate it...

how about opium? raw opium vs subutex in safety?

I care for my life and i also care for my body a lot, but i do want to have a really really great time sometimes too...
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subutex has a ceiling dose and as a partial agonist will not give severe resp depression (unless combined with downers, though I haven't seen this myself).
Opium can certainly be dnagerous at too high a dose, just start low (lil pea size? unless it smells like vinegar! Tar), opium is my favorite <3
 
Sorry, I can't help it, but my future also looked bright when I was a teenager, even when I still thought that my drug use is a temporary thing to ease my nerves on some stuff. I was a reasonable person in the eyes of people who knew me. And when I started using codeine, I also wanted to make it all safe and sound. Now I can't imagine my life without an opioid in my system, and I believe there are physical reasons for this too as messing with your opioid system when you're young definitely will downgrade the quality of your adult life. Also, 1 mg of Subutex isn't a low dose, I assure you. 1 mg of buprenorphine sublingually is like 20-30mg of morphine intravenously, which isn't a starting dose at all. You can't only look at a recreational potential comparing opioids, you may mess up your endogenous opioids levels even using pentazocine.

There's not a single opioid that anyone will guarantee you is safe to do once a week, once a month, or once in a while.
 
All opiates are dangerous, especially if you don't have a tolerance.

Bupe, being a partial agonist only, I guess offers some degree of "safety", compared to other full agonist opiates. It is a lot harder to OD on, but with no tolerance, it can still happen.. as with any opiate.

No matter what you end up taking, it's all about dosage. If you take the right amount for your tolerance, don't mix with any other CNS depressants like benzos or alcohol, etc, then you can use once in a while (if you can stick to that.. most people cant for very long) and be as safe as possible.
 
But please guys, remember that we are all different!

"You will get addicted, it doesn't matter what you say... etc etc" - thats not TRUE, it's about self-respect, self-control etc....
But then again... people will start over and say "ahh well it doesn't matter what you say, self-control... tsss... just wait, it will get you addicted"

I have used opi but i never go around thinking about it like i did with cannabis, i'm addicted to one thing and thats cannabis... nothing else!

How about kratom??? Seems like the herb i'm looking for... its mild... natural... "feelings of empathy"...
 
^^

Nobody said that "you will get addicted, it doesn't matter what you say." Of course not everyone gets addicted. But, the chances of being able to casually use something like opiates for any lengthy period of time is not high..

Maybe you'll be able to do it. If so, good for you. How long have you been using opiates for?
 
I don't use any depressants, i just drink alcohol to socialize with my friends and smoke weed of course to chill out and play video games... as i said im no hardcore junky. I have done LSD and Psilocybin and i think because of my both wonderful and scary experiences i have learned things about my self. Self-control is KING. And i freak out when i see people do IV, i went to the hospital to take a blood test once and that was the first time i got stuck by that scary thingy in my arm... felt like she was going to shoot something up :O
 
I haven't written that you will end up as a hardcore junkie. The way you posted simply reminded me of myself 9-10 years ago when I also presumably knew the potential risk of addiction and still have become an addict. I know the taste of opioids and how they can delude, so it's kind of my responsibility to alert other people. I don't preach here, there was no "don't take opioids" in my post. It would be stupid of me if I was forbidding other people to do what I've been doing and probably will do. The safety margin I'm painting here simply derives from the fact that the only people I've met who took opioids and didn't end up more or less addicted were those who didn't like the effects in the first place. Is playing with fireworks safe? Well, when you take precautions and are aware of the risk, there's a higher chance nothing bad will happen. It's the same with opioids, but the danger is somewhat hidden.
 
Yep absolutely..and for all of us "junkies", do you really think in the beginning that most of us had no "self respect" or "self control" as you put it? Do you think that the majority of hardcore junkies didnt start off exactly the same way you are?

And you dont have to use a needle to become a junkie but I bet if you asked most IVDUs they would tell you that they could never imagined themselves using a needle and that they also were terrified of needles...we arent saying that will definitely be you but we see people post threads just like yours all the time and we have also seen the way that story frequently ends...everyone who posts exactly what you do thinks that they are different than everyone else, they are special and will be the one that it doesnt effect the way it does everyone else. If you are as intelligent as you claim you will just really think about that while you are chipping away!

Just keep in mind, no matter how small or large it is, there is always some price to pay for that good time you want to have.
 
Opioid users have the highest death rate out of essentially all the recreational drugs. Just putting that out there. They are physically safe when taken under controlled supervision by a doctor, but are considerably more deadly when you're self-administering to get high.

If you're using opioids relationally, you are almost certainly going to be dosing higher than recommended for pain relief, eventually. And they fuck with the reward system in your brain in a devious way to make you want more, the more you take them. If you make a habit of using any opioid - kratom, codeine, opium, buprenorphine - on a regular basis, the simple fact of the matter is you need to deal with tolerance development and mental/physical dependance, because that's what these drugs do to every single person who takes them. More than a few major wars have been fought over opium, and it's not because it's nice smelling. It's because opium forms habits better than anything...

Let's get down to brass tacks: if you are scared of respiratory depression and are confident you're not going to get addicted and have excellent self control, those are both signs that opioids are not for you. Go eat some brownies and play Call of Duty. Opioids are too heavy for you to be fucking around with. It's not a road you want to go down.
 
Man... your so true... i'll go to the doctor and ask for something to cure my panic attacks and anxiety instead... xanax or something... thank you guys! I've been doing some really dumb stuff lately, but i can't admit that doing psilocybin was bad because it change my life to the better =)
 
One more question... how about kratom? I don't really see it as a hardcore opioid. Anyone have experience with it?
 
Im glad you feel that (hope you really do and arent just saying that) because you have no idea how much you just saved yourself. And i am quite sure the subject will come along in your life again in the near future..just make yourself take this out and read it again. :)

As far as kratom goes, everyone has different experiences with it..small doses are not as strong as most other opiates and it is probably safer than most other opiates as far as respiratory depression goes. The problem is you still build tolerance to it when you start using it, eventually have to dose more and more, sooner than later sometimes depending on how frequently you use it. It still causes withdrawals the same as other opiates/opioids that can be very rough. It still causes physical and psychological dependence..in the end it is just like every other opiate/opioid..
 
Opioids might be rather non-toxic,
the stuff u buy on the street probably is though.

Dealers don't really care what they cut it with, so who knows what ur smoking when ur smoking H.
i'm one of those dumbasses that would smoke H if it was pure,
but luckily it isnt so i won't be touching that this lifetime.


U say self control is key, but yet you suffer from panic attacks,
so that just pretty much proves how much selfcontrol we really have over ourselves.

Don't kid yourself on the xanax,
it can be very addictive psychologically and the withdrawal can be terrible. look up benzo withdrawal syndrome if u want to know more.

don't want to stop u from having fun though,
but long lasting benzos u should not do more than 10mg valium once per week
and short acting benzos like xanax maybe u can possibly get away with doing 1mg lorazepam twice per week or maybe 0,5mg xanax twice per week.

more than that and ur body starts to crave,
ug et more anxiety and u get sucked in

fear of drugs is a good thing.
learn their potential side-effects and follow the rules strictly
 
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