Kratom I need help with self medication

[emkee_reinvented]

To start off I’m a chronic pain patient that has hypermobile danlos syndrome, POTS, PNES/FND (psychogenic seizures and pain,) CPTSD, and a dissociative disorder.
Because of my HEDS my back is giving out and i have degenerative disc disease in c5-6 with bone spurs, as well as a bulging disc, compressed nerve, and modic end plate changes.

I am in severe pain all day every day. I’m constantly taking a combination of either gabapentin or lyrica, tylenol, flexoril, cymbalta, methocarbamol, ibuprofen, lidocaine, mmj,… and nothing seems to be able to help me like opiates can. Nothing. I cant live a normal life because im in so much pain every single day and doctors wont prescribe me opiates. I understand the addiction risk but i personally dint like being high, nodding off, anything like that. When i am offered opiates (percs, morphine, vics, occassionally dilaudid) im able to complete my daily tasks and actually get out of bed and function in society and i never take more than prescribed. Ive also cut myself off if i notice myself feeling dependent on them physically and suffer through the withdrawals which usually dont last long because its not like i use a ton anyways.

But now my all my doctors are refusing to give me any opiates. My pain specialist recommended to my primary (bc for some reason my pain soecialist doesnt prescribe medications they just send recommendations to my primary) that i be on belbuca or something similar and my primary flat out refused because he had “never heard of it” and “didnt feel comfortable prescribing it.” So i got an er doc to prescribe it, he did but my insurance wont cover it. I told the doctor that i see at the er (i go often from severe pain flares where i cant walk) and he prescribed me suboxone but it made me feel absolutely awful and didnt really work much for pain at all.

I cant fucking do it anymore. I need my life back. I dont care if i take a perc every day or every few days as needed for severe back pain. Im in bed most of the time from the pain and my pain specialist doesnt know what to do. My gabapentin only helps somewhat but if i do more that two hours of like anything ill start to flare and itll feel like i’m being stabbed and tased in my vertebrae in my lower back and my neck.
Im miserable.
I dont have access to street drugs other than xanax and that doesnt really help the pain, so im not sure what to do anymore.


I heard kratom has been helpful for some and something derived from it called 7OHM is helpful, but its apparently banned in my city so id have to travel out of my county to get it. At this point im so fucking desperate id do anything to stop this pain and get back to living my life.

I just need suggestions/experiences with kratom/70hm from people who also struggle with severe chronic pain.

Kratom powdered leaf [or in pieces] is a very good painkiller.
But you might wanna avoid the more intense, as i read many times,
addicting extracts bring. 7-OHM is a step further afaik, as the old extracts.
Your tolerance, to the effects will also raise. Exponential.

So if plain Kratom is legal i d go and try, its addicting,
but a hand able habit ime. Never took more then 15 G a day btw.
Some people get real addicted and end up at 100 gram s.
So very individual. Shitty you got no dr. help

And stopping/ control over the substance by yourself less easy.
My ex has Ehler-Danlos Syndrom, me too but male s don t experience
the amount of pain most woman would. [most men, not all]

My ex is on Tramadol, i rather take Kratom powdered from a trusted source.
And take as needed, overdoing will mean worshipping the Porcelain god.
Or toilet pot, its strong enough as is. Red Vain Borneo is very painkilling,
bit sedating. Often sold as Red Bali, but afaik no Kratom grows on Bali.

Red Bentuangie Kratom, new strain for me also +, Indonesian.

 

[foodcrisis]

I agree that weed and psychedelics are more likely to be as advertised, less likely to be adulterated, but that’s just the same as on the street. Anytime you’re dealing with the typically more addictive downers: stimulants and painkillers you’re going to have more scammers, regardless of whether you’re buying online or on the street.

i think that says something about the quality of what you possibly can get too though... i personally wouldn't trust any pills these days, from the street and especially from the dark web... the only way i'd really trust someone is if i saw their prescription bottle.

they pull exit scams on the dark net market all the time too. just because they are sending one person good stuff in reviews, doesn't mean that eveything is going to be the same... i would just use a ton of caution and wouldn't use it if i were a newb like i said.. i didn't 100% say don't use it, i don't think i meant to write that if i did... i just personally wouldn't use the dark net for harder drugs.

 

[fadedandcozy]

Yeah i know someone for benzos but not opiates. Tramadol is barely effective, only if i have a certain amount which is more than my dr will prescribe. Currently low on funds but the kratom leaf seems like it will be somewhat effective if im unable to get medication another way.

It just sucks because thats what these medications were made for and they wont give them to me because of the addiction risk but like im in bed daily. I cant work a regular job and i had to drop out of school- which i genuinely enjoyed doing, because my pain has gotten too severe to sit up at my desk and work online for school.
The only time im able to achieve some amount of normalcy is when i have some kind of pain killer combined with all my other medications as well.

I dont have a street connect i get prescribed small amounts of opiates here and there for my pain flare ups that i have to try and make last for bad days but im having more bad days than good. I have to beg and go back and forth between the er, my pain specialist , and my gp. Like everyday. And the er is getting more and more irritated with me so theyre less and less likely to prescribe be anything stronger than a toradol which helps somewhat but itll bring my pain from a 10 to like a 8 for like an hour and then ill be back in excruciating pain dissociating and unable to do anything because of the amount of pain im in.

I actually recently had a fall- slipped and fell while i was walking my dog, and slammed my full weight onto my bad hip and injured myself so bad i couldnt walk and my hip was all swollen. Guess theres soft tissue damage. so i was able to get a prescription for like a week of some percocet and a referal to a new pain specialist as well as an orthopedic doctor. So maybe ill possibly start getting better care? Lol yeah right.

I want to look into the DNM stuff. Ive used tor before but have never ordered anything. It might be getting to that point however. Just dont really know how to tell the difference between a scam and a real seller.

 

[fairnymph]

I want to look into the DNM stuff. Ive used tor before but have never ordered anything. It might be getting to that point however. Just dont really know how to tell the difference between a scam and a real seller.

That’s why you read all the reviews for the sellers that have what you want. Read their terms of service and determine what they will do if you don’t receive what you ordered. Also make sure that the seller has escrow and will allow you to extend it; you can open a dispute if you’ve been ripped off, but you have to make sure you pay attention to the deadlines. Read up on Dread about the sellers too. And obviously start by buying small amounts.

 

[Stephy]

To start off I’m a chronic pain patient that has hypermobile danlos syndrome, POTS, PNES/FND (psychogenic seizures and pain,) CPTSD, and a dissociative disorder.
Because of my HEDS my back is giving out and i have degenerative disc disease in c5-6 with bone spurs, as well as a bulging disc, compressed nerve, and modic end plate changes.

I am in severe pain all day every day. I’m constantly taking a combination of either gabapentin or lyrica, tylenol, flexoril, cymbalta, methocarbamol, ibuprofen, lidocaine, mmj,… and nothing seems to be able to help me like opiates can. Nothing. I cant live a normal life because im in so much pain every single day and doctors wont prescribe me opiates. I understand the addiction risk but i personally dint like being high, nodding off, anything like that. When i am offered opiates (percs, morphine, vics, occassionally dilaudid) im able to complete my daily tasks and actually get out of bed and function in society and i never take more than prescribed. Ive also cut myself off if i notice myself feeling dependent on them physically and suffer through the withdrawals which usually dont last long because its not like i use a ton anyways.

But now my all my doctors are refusing to give me any opiates. My pain specialist recommended to my primary (bc for some reason my pain soecialist doesnt prescribe medications they just send recommendations to my primary) that i be on belbuca or something similar and my primary flat out refused because he had “never heard of it” and “didnt feel comfortable prescribing it.” So i got an er doc to prescribe it, he did but my insurance wont cover it. I told the doctor that i see at the er (i go often from severe pain flares where i cant walk) and he prescribed me suboxone but it made me feel absolutely awful and didnt really work much for pain at all.

I cant fucking do it anymore. I need my life back. I dont care if i take a perc every day or every few days as needed for severe back pain. Im in bed most of the time from the pain and my pain specialist doesnt know what to do. My gabapentin only helps somewhat but if i do more that two hours of like anything ill start to flare and itll feel like i’m being stabbed and tased in my vertebrae in my lower back and my neck.
Im miserable.
I dont have access to street drugs other than xanax and that doesnt really help the pain, so im not sure what to do anymore.


I heard kratom has been helpful for some and something derived from it called 7OHM is helpful, but its apparently banned in my city so id have to travel out of my county to get it. At this point im so fucking desperate id do anything to stop this pain and get back to living my life.

I just need suggestions/experiences with kratom/70hm from people who also struggle with severe chronic pain.

THIS THIS IS ME!!! BUT I GET OPIODS AND I'M ON A HIGH DOSE AND I'M STILL THIS MISERABLE!!!!!! I get 25 mcg fentanyl patch every 3 days and 30mg IR morphine 4 times a day BUT NONE OF IT TOUCHES MY PAIN!!!!

 

[Coffeeshroom]

Buprenorphine sucks for pain ime, and has tons of side-effects. I find the morphine based opiates far more effective for pain than virtually all synthetic opioids. So far only methadone it has proven useful for pain and tolerable in terms of side-effects.

I like to agree and disagree.

Bupre clean brought my overall pain relief and mobility in a good way brought it to a 2-4/10 for pain and what depending on the day of work ( anti- RPU )

As for the methadone I agree it is a lot better for just pain and the long half life it had in my current situation I was in sorted, 2/10 most of the time.

So I can agree there a bit from personal exp

 

[sHR00m]

To start off I’m a chronic pain patient that has hypermobile danlos syndrome, POTS, PNES/FND (psychogenic seizures and pain,) CPTSD, and a dissociative disorder.
Because of my HEDS my back is giving out and i have degenerative disc disease in c5-6 with bone spurs, as well as a bulging disc, compressed nerve, and modic end plate changes.

I am in severe pain all day every day. I’m constantly taking a combination of either gabapentin or lyrica, tylenol, flexoril, cymbalta, methocarbamol, ibuprofen, lidocaine, mmj,… and nothing seems to be able to help me like opiates can. Nothing. I cant live a normal life because im in so much pain every single day and doctors wont prescribe me opiates. I understand the addiction risk but i personally dint like being high, nodding off, anything like that. When i am offered opiates (percs, morphine, vics, occassionally dilaudid) im able to complete my daily tasks and actually get out of bed and function in society and i never take more than prescribed. Ive also cut myself off if i notice myself feeling dependent on them physically and suffer through the withdrawals which usually dont last long because its not like i use a ton anyways.

But now my all my doctors are refusing to give me any opiates. My pain specialist recommended to my primary (bc for some reason my pain soecialist doesnt prescribe medications they just send recommendations to my primary) that i be on belbuca or something similar and my primary flat out refused because he had “never heard of it” and “didnt feel comfortable prescribing it.” So i got an er doc to prescribe it, he did but my insurance wont cover it. I told the doctor that i see at the er (i go often from severe pain flares where i cant walk) and he prescribed me suboxone but it made me feel absolutely awful and didnt really work much for pain at all.

I cant fucking do it anymore. I need my life back. I dont care if i take a perc every day or every few days as needed for severe back pain. Im in bed most of the time from the pain and my pain specialist doesnt know what to do. My gabapentin only helps somewhat but if i do more that two hours of like anything ill start to flare and itll feel like i’m being stabbed and tased in my vertebrae in my lower back and my neck.
Im miserable.
I dont have access to street drugs other than xanax and that doesnt really help the pain, so im not sure what to do anymore.


I heard kratom has been helpful for some and something derived from it called 7OHM is helpful, but its apparently banned in my city so id have to travel out of my county to get it. At this point im so fucking desperate id do anything to stop this pain and get back to living my life.

I just need suggestions/experiences with kratom/70hm from people who also struggle with severe chronic pain.

Hello there,

I'm sorry to hear you are in so much pain on a regular basis.

If you think opioids are a legit solution to your problem then you could indeed start with kratom - while it can be addictive - traditional opioids, especially substitution meds are usually a considerably worse commitment addiction wise. You could start with plain kratom, I would suggest something like a maeng da red which should be decently active without being too stimulating. If you don't like messing with powder you could buy mitragynine extract or maybe 7-oh drops. Should kratom be working for you, you should be in a pretty good position all in all. If you need further help with kratom (for example preparation, dosage, etc) I would be happy to provide support.

If suboxone didn't work for you this could be because suboxone is a pretty atypical opioid and not everyone tolerates that well. Did you try methadone before? Its different in action and might be closer to what you need. Maybe you could be able to try it considering that the ER doc was willing to prescribe you suboxone as well. But again, those meds are hell to come off from. Kratom might be harm reduction in that case.

 

[fadedandcozy]

Hello there,

I'm sorry to hear you are on so much pain on a regular basis.

If you think opioids are a legit solution to your problem then you could indeed start with kratom - while it can be addictive - traditional opioids, especially substitution meds are usually a considerably worse commitment addiction wise. You could start with plain kratom, I would suggest something like a maeng da red which should be decently active without being too stimulating. If you don't like messing with powder you could buy mitragynine extract or maybe 7-oh drops. Should kratom be working for you, you should be in a pretty good position all in all. If you need further help with kratom (for example preparation, dosage, etc) I would be happy to provide support.

If suboxone didn't work for you this could be because suboxone is a pretty atypical opioid and not everyone tolerates that well. Did you try methadone before? Its different in action and might be closer to what you need. Maybe you could be able to try it considering that the ER doc was willing to prescribe you suboxone as well. But again, those meds are hell to come off from. Kratom might be harm reduction in that case.

I just picked up a lot of kratom and a little but of 7-oh to try. The shop owner was so nice! I got kratom leaves that have been pressed into tablets so i took about 1.2 grams to start and we’ll see how that works for me.
Im really hoping it works because i dont want to be dependent on medication that makes me feel like shit and that doctors are so anal about. Its a lot better to be able to manage my own medication especially when i was getting dilaudid and percocet all the time from the er.
Now theyre unwilling to give me opiates and im waiting for an appointment with my primary and with a new pain specialist so we’ll see if theyre helpful but till now im going to be using thc + kratom (if it works, i will report back later)

 

[sHR00m]

I just picked up a lot of kratom and a little but of 7-oh to try. The shop owner was so nice! I got kratom leaves that have been pressed into tablets so i took about 1.2 grams to start and we’ll see how that works for me.
Im really hoping it works because i dont want to be dependent on medication that makes me feel like shit and that doctors are so anal about. Its a lot better to be able to manage my own medication especially when i was getting dilaudid and percocet all the time from the er.
Now theyre unwilling to give me opiates and im waiting for an appointment with my primary and with a new pain specialist so we’ll see if theyre helpful but till now im going to be using thc + kratom (if it works, i will report back later)

Good luck. Once you are at a dosage that seems sufficient for you I would suggest not going much higher at first. Kratom appears to have kind of a ceiling effect at some point and going well past that is just gonna be wasteful. It*s very easy to unknowingly overdo it with kratom. Starting at one gram is def not a bad idea. Maybe 3 grams of kratom powder could be a decent dose but it can also be more than that. A common starting dose for me was 4 grams. The duration should roughly be around 6 hours, more or less but analgesia could last longer. You can weight your doses but that it gonna make a mess (and kill the scale eventually). Better is having a set of volumetric spoons and weighting the contents of those each once.

 

[fadedandcozy]

Good luck. Once you are at a dosage that seems sufficient for you I would suggest not going much higher at first. Kratom appears to have kind of a ceiling effect at some point and going well past that is just gonna be wasteful. It*s very easy to unknowingly overdo it with kratom. Starting at one gram is def not a bad idea. Maybe 3 grams of kratom powder could be a decent dose but it can also be more than that. A common starting dose for me was 4 grams. The duration should roughly be around 6 hours, more or less but analgesia could last longer. You can weight your doses but that it gonna make a mess (and kill the scale eventually). Better is having a set of volumetric spoons and weighting the contents of those each once.

The shop i bought from has powder thats pressed into pills. Theyre lab tested and its working AMAZING. i feel absolutely wonderful! Its definitely working for me and just with a dose of 1.2 grams (4 tablets) and im not in any pain - (well maybe like a 1/2 on a 1-10 scale) but percocet only gets me down to a 4 unless i take like 15/20mg. I feel less brain fog and i feel social and not anxious at all and i dont feel super inebriated, just feeling way less pain and im so happy i could genuinely cry. I was suicidal for a long time over dealing with this pain and being bed ridden and i think i FINALLY found something that helps me.

Thank yall so so much.

 

[sHR00m]

Glad to hear it. I'm just wondering what 1.2 grams means. 1.2 grams of extract? Maybe you do not need 4 tablets for sufficient effects. Just saying.

 

[fadedandcozy]

Its like kratom powder tablets that have been sectioned into like .25 of a gram so you can dose it properly

 

[Brattyme]

I would get opiates on the DNM. That’s what I ended up doing, in a similar situation. Been self treating for 14 years now and I don’t regret it. It’s the right choice for me.

What’s DNM? Please tell me everything!