Kratom I need help with self medication

[fadedandcozy]

To start off I’m a chronic pain patient that has hypermobile danlos syndrome, POTS, PNES/FND (psychogenic seizures and pain,) CPTSD, and a dissociative disorder.
Because of my HEDS my back is giving out and i have degenerative disc disease in c5-6 with bone spurs, as well as a bulging disc, compressed nerve, and modic end plate changes.

I am in severe pain all day every day. I’m constantly taking a combination of either gabapentin or lyrica, tylenol, flexoril, cymbalta, methocarbamol, ibuprofen, lidocaine, mmj,… and nothing seems to be able to help me like opiates can. Nothing. I cant live a normal life because im in so much pain every single day and doctors wont prescribe me opiates. I understand the addiction risk but i personally dint like being high, nodding off, anything like that. When i am offered opiates (percs, morphine, vics, occassionally dilaudid) im able to complete my daily tasks and actually get out of bed and function in society and i never take more than prescribed. Ive also cut myself off if i notice myself feeling dependent on them physically and suffer through the withdrawals which usually dont last long because its not like i use a ton anyways.

But now my all my doctors are refusing to give me any opiates. My pain specialist recommended to my primary (bc for some reason my pain soecialist doesnt prescribe medications they just send recommendations to my primary) that i be on belbuca or something similar and my primary flat out refused because he had “never heard of it” and “didnt feel comfortable prescribing it.” So i got an er doc to prescribe it, he did but my insurance wont cover it. I told the doctor that i see at the er (i go often from severe pain flares where i cant walk) and he prescribed me suboxone but it made me feel absolutely awful and didnt really work much for pain at all.

I cant fucking do it anymore. I need my life back. I dont care if i take a perc every day or every few days as needed for severe back pain. Im in bed most of the time from the pain and my pain specialist doesnt know what to do. My gabapentin only helps somewhat but if i do more that two hours of like anything ill start to flare and itll feel like i’m being stabbed and tased in my vertebrae in my lower back and my neck.
Im miserable.
I dont have access to street drugs other than xanax and that doesnt really help the pain, so im not sure what to do anymore.


I heard kratom has been helpful for some and something derived from it called 7OHM is helpful, but its apparently banned in my city so id have to travel out of my county to get it. At this point im so fucking desperate id do anything to stop this pain and get back to living my life.

I just need suggestions/experiences with kratom/70hm from people who also struggle with severe chronic pain.

 

[helpingout]

To start off I’m a chronic pain patient that has hypermobile danlos syndrome, POTS, PNES/FND (psychogenic seizures and pain,) CPTSD, and a dissociative disorder.
Because of my HEDS my back is giving out and i have degenerative disc disease in c5-6 with bone spurs, as well as a bulging disc, compressed nerve, and modic end plate changes.

I am in severe pain all day every day. I’m constantly taking a combination of either gabapentin or lyrica, tylenol, flexoril, cymbalta, methocarbamol, ibuprofen, lidocaine, mmj,… and nothing seems to be able to help me like opiates can. Nothing. I cant live a normal life because im in so much pain every single day and doctors wont prescribe me opiates. I understand the addiction risk but i personally dint like being high, nodding off, anything like that. When i am offered opiates (percs, morphine, vics, occassionally dilaudid) im able to complete my daily tasks and actually get out of bed and function in society and i never take more than prescribed. Ive also cut myself off if i notice myself feeling dependent on them physically and suffer through the withdrawals which usually dont last long because its not like i use a ton anyways.

But now my all my doctors are refusing to give me any opiates. My pain specialist recommended to my primary (bc for some reason my pain soecialist doesnt prescribe medications they just send recommendations to my primary) that i be on belbuca or something similar and my primary flat out refused because he had “never heard of it” and “didnt feel comfortable prescribing it.” So i got an er doc to prescribe it, he did but my insurance wont cover it. I told the doctor that i see at the er (i go often from severe pain flares where i cant walk) and he prescribed me suboxone but it made me feel absolutely awful and didnt really work much for pain at all.

I cant fucking do it anymore. I need my life back. I dont care if i take a perc every day or every few days as needed for severe back pain. Im in bed most of the time from the pain and my pain specialist doesnt know what to do. My gabapentin only helps somewhat but if i do more that two hours of like anything ill start to flare and itll feel like i’m being stabbed and tased in my vertebrae in my lower back and my neck.
Im miserable.
I dont have access to street drugs other than xanax and that doesnt really help the pain, so im not sure what to do anymore.


I heard kratom has been helpful for some and something derived from it called 7OHM is helpful, but its apparently banned in my city so id have to travel out of my county to get it. At this point im so fucking desperate id do anything to stop this pain and get back to living my life.

I just need suggestions/experiences with kratom/70hm from people who also struggle with severe chronic pain.

Jesus that’s so fucked up

 

[lolis my thesis]

Not to derail your thread but it def resonated with me. I bet you could find opiates if you really wanted them. I did in California which is where I was injured in 1998, whiplash. I was diagnosed with EDS/ME only last year but had it my whole life I suppose; and take daily hydrocortisone which lowers the pain. Also opioids of course, methadone for the past 20 years
Can you show up at a clinic; not for your pain, but saying you need MAT for your addiction to pain pills/fent/whichever. Thats my plan when my pain clinic kicks me out with offer of Belbucca or such

But I have had severe neck pain starting in 1998; I went thru countless procedures trying to fix C5-C6 and a thoracic one herniated too
Massage, trigger point accupuncture, PT, 12 level ryzotomies; nothing really worked on my roving back spasms. So pain between the shoulder blades, or neck. I had some shady micro discectomy in Thousand Oaks where I was sent on my way the same day; which was lovely till the steroids wore off and I had to have a fusion at C5-C6 in 2006. In Bend Oregon after I rode an uncomfy mountain bike.

Then I had shoulder surgery and suffered a torn biceps tendon; also a trimalleor fracture of my ankle which has hardwear with screw heads poking out....
After 2006, stayed stable on 40 mgs methadone, pregabalin, clonazepam. Lord knows scorn for taking the meds for relief....

What else? t-bone accident in 2017; artificial disc at C6-C7 broken wrists, left my upper teeth in the dashboard, full dentures up top...
non union fracture currently of left wrist stays splinted from my fear of getting so much surgery, also had to revive my son from the Dead and give narcan and perform CPR
when he had an OD and I was EMT of the moment. Thought he was dead for certain.
"hip chip", 'swellbow", I guess my tendons have been a goodly bit loosey goosey my whole life making me injury prone. Or I am just injury prone,
Had ryzotomies which are nerve burning affairs, PT made it worse, found a doctor willing to to laser discectomy at both C5-C6vw I could tell you about my Ehler Danos Hypermobility syndrome which was diagnosed to me 1 year ago, but I have gone on and on. Also have an ingrown toenail; the other pain has settled down considerably thank goodness.
I take hydrocortisone daily, 15mgs, plus pregabalin, clonaza
Same condition you described I have survived through all those drugs and methadone at 60 mgs to now 12.5 mgs from my pain doc
C5/c6 got fused in 2006 then shattered my ankle; so that's all bolted together
C6-C7 is now an artificial disc after a t-bone auto accident in 2017

 

[Coffeeshroom]

I can't talk for the rest but kratom did nothing for my pain never mind keeping wd's at bay but as for 70hmz and the rest someone soon will chime in. A lot of knowledgeable people on here when it comes to it.

Oh. And have you tried pure bupre with no nalaxone in it. Worked wonders for me and same issue with suboxone. Had to triple my dose mostly just for it to work

 

[fadedandcozy]

I can't talk for the rest but kratom did nothing for my pain never mind keeping wd's at bay but as for 70hmz and the rest someone soon will chime in. A lot of knowledgeable people on here when it comes to it.

Oh. And have you tried pure bupre with no nalaxone in it. Worked wonders for me and same issue with suboxone. Had to triple my dose mostly just for it to work

I want to desperately try pure bup at a low dose to start to see if it helps but my primary doctor is unwilling to prescribe it despite my pain managements request.

Ive succumbed to buying only a couple vicodins off my friend but i only have 3 left and im starting to panic. Im going to my primaries urgent care clinic soon to see if they will be able to prescribe belbucca or another similar bup based medication without nalaxone

 

[Coffeeshroom]

I want to desperately try pure bup at a low dose to start to see if it helps but my primary doctor is unwilling to prescribe it despite my pain managements request.

Ive succumbed to buying only a couple vicodins off my friend but i only have 3 left and im starting to panic. Im going to my primaries urgent care clinic soon to see if they will be able to prescribe belbucca or another similar bup based medication without nalaxone

Yeah subutex pure bupre just like belbucca. If you can get on that I think you will feel the world's difference between clean bupre and then the one with added nalaxone. And as I noticed with clean bupre, less is more. Just have to find that sweet spot that will work for you.

So cant you go back on a higher dose of methadone if it worked so well but overall I really hope you get a doc to prescribed you subutex or belbucca or even merhadone at a dose to make the pain more manageable.

Best of luck to you

 

[fairnymph]

I would get opiates on the DNM. That’s what I ended up doing, in a similar situation. Been self treating for 14 years now and I don’t regret it. It’s the right choice for me.

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

The naloxone in Suboxone doesn't work.
Buprenorphine has a higher affinity for the opioid receptors than naloxone, so it binds and the naloxone doesn't.
It was added for BS anti-abuse reasons but really it was so the maker of Subutex, which had fallen out of patent and gone generic, could make Suboxone and patent that and lie about how the naloxone stops the abuse from people injecting (Or snorting) it, which it doesn't.

If I was the OP and had a small garden I'd look at growing poppies and also buying dried poppies to make poppy tea.

A good book is 'Opium for the Masses' by Jim Hogshire, it's a guide on how to grow and use opium and also some history of opium and other opioids.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

The naloxone in Suboxone doesn't work.
Buprenorphine has a higher affinity for the opioid receptors than naloxone, so it binds and the naloxone doesn't.
It was added for BS anti-abuse reasons but really it was so the maker of Subutex, which had fallen out of patent and gone generic, could make Suboxone and patent that and lie about how the naloxone stops the abuse from people injecting (Or snorting) it, which it doesn't.

If I was the OP and had a small garden I'd look at growing poppies and also buying dried poppies to make poppy tea.

A good book is 'Opium for the Masses' by Jim Hogshire, it's a guide on how to grow and use opium and also some history of opium and other opioids.

That is very interesting thing you told us there about the whole subutex and suboxone with nalaxone in it. Plus I personally feel that though it's such a small amount I do feel at least for myself that it fucks up with chemistry of bupre making it weaker in essence. I always needed more when on it when subutex whas out of stock. And snorting that stuff was horrible with that lemon smell and taste lingering the whole time and it also didn't give me the speedy effect I use to get from railing just 500mcg subutex.

I just checked and I cansee that I can purchase them here online. Not sure how my outside seasons are for these plants but I am slowly building a new indoor setup and it's costly so gonna take me a another good 6 months to finish that project. More then enough time to do some research on growing it indoor. Thanks for that

 

[fadedandcozy]

I would get opiates on the DNM. That’s what I ended up doing, in a similar situation. Been self treating for 14 years now and I don’t regret it. It’s the right choice for me.

Ive never done anything like that and have severe anxiety- I’m totally afraid of doing anything like that and getting a step wrong and getting into some form of legal trouble. Id rather stick to in person connects

 

[fadedandcozy]

The naloxone in Suboxone doesn't work.
Buprenorphine has a higher affinity for the opioid receptors than naloxone, so it binds and the naloxone doesn't.
It was added for BS anti-abuse reasons but really it was so the maker of Subutex, which had fallen out of patent and gone generic, could make Suboxone and patent that and lie about how the naloxone stops the abuse from people injecting (Or snorting) it, which it doesn't.

If I was the OP and had a small garden I'd look at growing poppies and also buying dried poppies to make poppy tea.

A good book is 'Opium for the Masses' by Jim Hogshire, it's a guide on how to grow and use opium and also some history of opium and other opioids.

This makes sense to me- i also believe i had a bad reaction to the suboxone. I was prescribed 8mg bup/2mg naloxone and i took 1 dose and felt absolutely awful. I was incredibly out of it and it made my dissociative disorder act up so i dont remember a lot of what happened but apparently i was incredibly distressed and vomiting and nauseaous and only was able to calm down when i went to sleep but said that i was still having pain.

I did try a 1/2 of the 8mg pill and had a much better mental reaction, but didnt really feel much pain relief in comparison to a 10 mg of hydrocodone

 

[fadedandcozy]

The naloxone in Suboxone doesn't work.
Buprenorphine has a higher affinity for the opioid receptors than naloxone, so it binds and the naloxone doesn't.
It was added for BS anti-abuse reasons but really it was so the maker of Subutex, which had fallen out of patent and gone generic, could make Suboxone and patent that and lie about how the naloxone stops the abuse from people injecting (Or snorting) it, which it doesn't.

If I was the OP and had a small garden I'd look at growing poppies and also buying dried poppies to make poppy tea.

A good book is 'Opium for the Masses' by Jim Hogshire, it's a guide on how to grow and use opium and also some history of opium and other opioids.

Sadly the type of poppy i would need is completely illegal to own or sell in my state. I also do not have a garden. Wish i did, I love growing but i dont have much space and live in a second floor apt

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

Sadly the type of poppy i would need is completely illegal to own or sell in my state. I also do not have a garden. Wish i did, I love growing but i dont have much space and live in a second floor apt

Are you in the US or Canada? Cause even though they're illegal to grow thousands do for their beauty and if you were just making tea no one would be any wiser.

If you were harvesting the opium then people might notice if your neighbour's or passes by are close to your garden.

 

[foodcrisis]

i heard the dark net was bad for opiates in the early 2000's.... that was people looking for heroin though.. just really low quality was what i heard and that was from the best dealer. the people i was talking to would only get it when they were dry locally... i'd think now days and then too pills would be more apt to be presses, but then again i have no experience myself.. would be cautious with the dark web though.

i was actually told that most psychedelics and weed are fine through the dark web and that was my experience, but most other drugs can be hit or miss. you have to have some idea what you are doing, or at least put a lot of effort into testing.. newbs shouldn't just start ordering over the dark web, really easy to get sent some random shit.

 

[WellTram]

Maybe try some kind of "oficiálny" weaker opioid. For u, tramadol can works nicely with pregabalin/gabapentin addition but well...it won't, cause u are on duloxetine....what about dihydrocodeine ? That one doesnt need to be metabolized

 

[fadedandcozy]

Are you in the US or Canada? Cause even though they're illegal to grow thousands do for their beauty and if you were just making tea no one would be any wiser.

If you were harvesting the opium then people might notice if your neighbour's or passes by are close to your garden.

Us, california

 

[fadedandcozy]

i heard the dark net was bad for opiates in the early 2000's.... that was people looking for heroin though.. just really low quality was what i heard and that was from the best dealer. the people i was talking to would only get it when they were dry locally... i'd think now days and then too pills would be more apt to be presses, but then again i have no experience myself.. would be cautious with the dark web though.

i was actually told that most psychedelics and weed are fine through the dark web and that was my experience, but most other drugs can be hit or miss. you have to have some idea what you are doing, or at least put a lot of effort into testing.. newbs shouldn't just start ordering over the dark web, really easy to get sent some random shit.

Thats exactly what im worried about. Ive never dine anything like that before and absokutely would fuck up. Im thinking i might just have to find a sketchy doctor in mexico or something. I live along the border thats probably safer than the dw
I just buy some test strips and bam.

 

[fairnymph]

Ive never done anything like that and have severe anxiety- I’m totally afraid of doing anything like that and getting a step wrong and getting into some form of legal trouble. Id rather stick to in person connects

It’s far safer than getting drugs on the street, both legally and otherwise, and I thought you didn’t have any street connections for opioids anyway? There are guides online for how to use TOR and access the DNM. It’s a great skill to have, and once you learn it, it’s so much less hassle than getting drugs on the street. It’s up to you of course, but I’ve bought extensively from both the street and online and there’s far better quality stuff available online in general. It can take a little trial and error to find it, but that’s the same on the street too. But especially if you’re low on funds, heroin is vastly cheaper than buying opiate pills, as well as long lasting and extremely effective for pain. Of course, if you can afford & get by on weaker opioids in pill form, I would recommend you start with those, not heroin. The market online have reviews which are generally quite reliable and there is also a dark web forum where people discuss vendors. If you’re willing to do your research, you can find reliable vendors.

 

[fairnymph]

This makes sense to me- i also believe i had a bad reaction to the suboxone. I was prescribed 8mg bup/2mg naloxone and i took 1 dose and felt absolutely awful. I was incredibly out of it and it made my dissociative disorder act up so i dont remember a lot of what happened but apparently i was incredibly distressed and vomiting and nauseaous and only was able to calm down when i went to sleep but said that i was still having pain.

I did try a 1/2 of the 8mg pill and had a much better mental reaction, but didnt really feel much pain relief in comparison to a 10 mg of hydrocodone

Buprenorphine sucks for pain ime, and has tons of side-effects. I find the morphine based opiates far more effective for pain than virtually all synthetic opioids. So far only methadone it has proven useful for pain and tolerable in terms of side-effects.

 

[fairnymph]

i heard the dark net was bad for opiates in the early 2000's.... that was people looking for heroin though.. just really low quality was what i heard and that was from the best dealer. the people i was talking to would only get it when they were dry locally... i'd think now days and then too pills would be more apt to be presses, but then again i have no experience myself.. would be cautious with the dark web though.

i was actually told that most psychedelics and weed are fine through the dark web and that was my experience, but most other drugs can be hit or miss. you have to have some idea what you are doing, or at least put a lot of effort into testing.. newbs shouldn't just start ordering over the dark web, really easy to get sent some random shit.

I was not using DNMs back then, but that’s a long time ago, and the markets these days are much more sophisticated with reviews and ratings. I wasn’t even aware there were DNMs back then just sketchy overseas pharmacies & online pain doctors you could order from, and get sent nothing or sugar pills often. If you did get something, it was at a big mark up. Regardless, you’re speaking of something you don’t have any personal experience with that was over 20 years ago.

I agree that weed and psychedelics are more likely to be as advertised, less likely to be adulterated, but that’s just the same as on the street. Anytime you’re dealing with the typically more addictive downers: stimulants and painkillers you’re going to have more scammers, regardless of whether you’re buying online or on the street.