I miss the psychedelic feeling so bad!

[scantraxx]

well i have stopped all drugs and alcohol because of certain problems it has caused (wont get into that though) anyway when i first started doing drugs i decided to try shrooms first, which i wish i got experienced with marijuana first i know how cleche that sounds but anyway, i kinda let the drugs i started doing rule my mind and i kinda thought that i had been changed and all this shit which i realise now i haven't changed im still exactly the same my mind was just opened to another level anyway in the end due to other problems, i stopped doing everything because im a little to impressionable to drugs in ways of how it can consume my thinking massively, im a fairly deep thinker.

Anyway i miss the psychedelic realm more than i do than than the stimulants, i know going back there isnt my best choice but i keep reading DMT expirinces and want to try it so bad! i have done shrooms a few times and smoked weed a heap, only i was really weird with tolerance sometimes i could smoke a joint and be so fucked i couldn't maintain my composure for shit and sometimes i would smoke bong after bong and be fairly good to go which was a bit strange, and i would also freak out so bad!

Also another contributing factor to making me thoughts negative on shrooms was not planning and just doing it then coming into contact with family who had no idea and pretend it was illness and just went to bed and sat there in a mental hell for a little while with the fractals to keep me going.

anyway i know there isnt a real question here but this is my experience of the trippy places ive been with drugs so yeah give some feedback in how ever you want to evaluate this, really just needed to vent with this and i think i unlocked a couple of memories while writing this! haha

 

[Listening]

i stopped doing everything because im a little to impressionable to drugs in ways of how it can consume my thinking massively, im a fairly deep thinker.

I think it's excellent that you recognized this and that you took action. Too many people in the drug communities are way too adamant that these drugs are "good". They can be good and they can be bad; depends on the person, the stage in their life and any number of other factors. Good job on recognizing that they were taking you down a bad path.

Also another contributing factor to making me thoughts negative on shrooms was not planning and just doing it then coming into contact with family who had no idea and pretend it was illness

Yea, this is seriously bad for you and not fun. You have your whole life ahead of you to do whatever you see fit. Why not wait until you're out of the house (assuming you are indeed living with your parents) and feel like you've moved on in life and are ready to try again. Don't worry, the drugs will be waiting for you.

Take care.

 

[AfterGlow]

everything in moderation. if you overdid it, take a good long break. later, you can reconsider occasional use once you feel more in control. but for now, take consolation that you're doing the right thing.

 

[dogfood]

Too many people in the drug communities are way too adamant that these drugs are "good". They can be good and they can be bad; depends on the person, the stage in their life and any number of other factors. Good job on recognizing that they were taking you down a bad path.

i would have to disagree. if drugs are pleasurable for you then they have intrinsic value making them 'good'. just like sex or ice cream

 

[Vader]

^Drugs are neither good nor bad, they're just chemicals. Random acts of violence are pleasurable but they certainly aren't intrinsically good.

 

[Listening]

i would have to disagree. if drugs are pleasurable for you then they have intrinsic value making them 'good'. just like sex or ice cream

Is meth intrinsically good? It's pleasurable to a lot of people and has destroyed just as many.

Yegg has it right. Drugs are neither good nor bad in isolation. The OP clearly recognized that the drugs were not doing good things for him.

 

[jamaica0535]

well i have stopped all drugs and alcohol because of certain problems it has caused (wont get into that though) anyway when i first started doing drugs i decided to try shrooms first, which i wish i got experienced with marijuana first i know how cleche that sounds but anyway, i kinda let the drugs i started doing rule my mind

Its good that you saw that happening, its good to be aware of your body and mind and see the negatives.....

That being said, i see very little problem with occasional use. Moderation is key. If i go a few months without a pretty decent trip i just feel a need for a trip to clear out some cobwebs and help sort my head out.

We all need a little bit of beauty in our lives, i find that in the occasional trip.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Good and Bad are just words (labels) to describe something you have personal experience with.

It's already been said here,
but really guys, it's all what you make of it

 

[dogfood]

then that would mean plato, socrates, aristotle and most western philosophy has it wrong... i find that hard to believe

EDIT: i see what you are trying to say but if you believe that meth is bad because is 'ruins' lives then food is also bad because more people in the us die from overeating and comlications (like heart disease) from being overweight than anything else.

 

[Listening]

i see what you are trying to say but if you believe that meth is bad because is 'ruins' lives then food is also bad because more people in the us die from overeating and comlications (like heart disease) from being overweight than anything else.

Oh boy. One more try and then I'm outta this thread. Nowhere did I say that meth was "bad". In fact my point was the converse: You were claiming that something that is pleasurable means it's intrinsically "good". I was simply demonstrating that this is not the case. Similarly, I agree that something that can cause harm isn't necessarily intrinsically "bad".

As I stated (pretty clearly I think!) in my original comment here, the fact is that something is 'good' (i.e. a positive influence in their life in some way) for one person doesn't mean it's necessarily good for another person.

 

[dogfood]

Oh boy. One more try and then I'm outta this thread. Nowhere did I say that meth was "bad". In fact my point was the converse: You were claiming that something that is pleasurable means it's intrinsically "good". I was simply demonstrating that this is not the case. Similarly, I agree that something that can cause harm isn't necessarily intrinsically "bad".

As I stated (pretty clearly I think!) in my original comment here, the fact is that something is 'good' (i.e. a positive influence in their life in some way) for one person doesn't mean it's necessarily good for another person.

the definition of good is

"having desirable or positive qualities"
if meth did not have desirable or positive qualities people wouldn't do it.

 

[Vader]

^Woah, you're making huge meta-ethical assumptions there. Anyway, by that logic isn't every drug that people take, or in fact any action at all, good? If it wasn't people wouldn't do it.

 

[emperorofusa]

You've been away from drugs long enough. You stopped taking them all for a reason. The moment you convince yourself that it is OK to take just one more/last trip you'll just get hooked again. You'll intellectualize and reason away that it is OK to take it because of any number of reasons. That one time could turn into many more times, losing priorities, thinking that you may as well go back to using other drugs. It's just too easy to fool yourself.

Stay strong. If you find yourself reading about drug experiences online and missing the old days, I recommend you stop reading about drugs online, maybe even stop coming here. For some people, we stop using and we can still come back here to read things simply because we find them to be interesting. If you're triggering memories and desires you should get away from whatever is triggering you.

 

[dogfood]

^Woah, you're making huge meta-ethical assumptions there. Anyway, by that logic isn't every drug that people take, or in fact any action at all, good? If it wasn't people wouldn't do it.

generally people only do things that have the best chance for the best outcome. when things turn out bad its because people dont take eveything into consideration. repeatedly using a drug means that you calculated the pros and cons in your head and decided the pros outweigh the cons. therefore the drug has intrinsic value. in other words it isnt a means to an end, like money.
the question here isnt really good or bad because that varies from person to person, it is one of value.

 

[AfterGlow]

but if you OVERDO it, then you experience undesirable or negative qualities.

that doesnt make the drug bad. It's how you use it that is a good or a bad thing. inanimate objects are neither bad nor good.

the definition of good is

"having desirable or positive qualities"
if meth did not have desirable or positive qualities people wouldn't do it.

 

[scantraxx]

Thanks for all the feedback i enjoyed hearing this from other peoples point of veiw rather than mates saying stop being a pussy drugs cant fuck you up that bad get over it, i guess its kinda harder to explain problems to them that i would have thought at first but this happens i guess.

You've been away from drugs long enough. You stopped taking them all for a reason. The moment you convince yourself that it is OK to take just one more/last trip you'll just get hooked again. You'll intellectualize and reason away that it is OK to take it because of any number of reasons. That one time could turn into many more times, losing priorities, thinking that you may as well go back to using other drugs. It's just too easy to fool yourself.

Stay strong. If you find yourself reading about drug experiences online and missing the old days, I recommend you stop reading about drugs online, maybe even stop coming here. For some people, we stop using and we can still come back here to read things simply because we find them to be interesting. If you're triggering memories and desires you should get away from whatever is triggering you.

This is the exact thing that happened with weed, i thought its alright i haven't smoked in a few months maybe ill just have another smoke tonight.. that lead to me smoking non stop for a few months til it as you said "loosing priorities" i just thought it would be okay at the start but after that first smoke again it blew my mind and i couldnt stop until i saw it affecting my like negatively.

And i think your right about the reading other peoples drugs experiences, thanks to erowid thats the reason i started doing drugs in the first place because shrooms juts sounded so amazing they are but i can still find joy in day to day life which at one stage i thought that was impossible, which now ive just come to my senses and realized that life can still make you go be in awe you dont need to be off your guts or peaking out of your mind, so im happy to of realized this, because i dont think snorting lines of codeine and gettin drunk every night i didnt have other drugs was a good way of handling life.

But really i miss the trippy places i would go and it feels like i missing something, im not sure if this is something to do with depression and anxiety, i defiantly don't miss stimulants though, if i would do speed and pills i would find my self not getting high and i would find my self shortly after doing it wanting to goto bed so the drugs could wear off, but then i would have long comedowns which i blame on mind set and horrible health, because back when i was healthy and when i thought my mind set was strong i wouldnt even know what a comedown was.

All in all i have learnt from everything i have done, i would rather go through life knowing these experiences, its bad how it has affected me but good in what has taught me so maybe i have found what i needed through drugs already and need to stop now, but i dont know if this means if i should stop forever! i cannot do them for a long time now because if i do it will be detrimental to my health, but i probably wont go back to the same drugs i have done already, except for some ecstasy in pure form rather than the posion i was randomly buying each weekend! and shrooms have still got a spark of intrest but definatly not for a long time!

I know this might not mean much to everyone but this feels good to vent this stuff, feels i can move on in a way, i never thought i would be the kind of person to be saying this kind of stuff but it feels like i have grown through this experience!

 

[bunnyhentman]

Scantraxx, when I take breaks from drugs I find myself reading and thinking about them a lot too. You need breaks in order to process your experiences. You can tap back into them whenever you want. Getting involved in other activities that open my mind helps me compensate and also helps get me back in a place where I have a healthy, balanced relationship with drugs -- looking at art, learning photography, going out on a boat or whatever helps you do something different and reconnect with the outer world.

 

[pr0digy]

then that would mean plato, socrates, aristotle and most western philosophy has it wrong... i find that hard to believe

EDIT: i see what you are trying to say but if you believe that meth is bad because is 'ruins' lives then food is also bad because more people in the us die from overeating and comlications (like heart disease) from being overweight than anything else.

your missing the point. drugs can be good OR bad. just like food. it can be great as far as keeping you alive, but it can also be horrible if being overweight ends up killing you. substances such as food or drugs or anything else for that matter have no good or bad. the good or bad is a label used to describe the results of ingesting them. and that is something that can be completely different from one person to another. and what do you mean plato, etc, are wrong?

 

[dogfood]

your missing the point. drugs can be good OR bad. just like food. it can be great as far as keeping you alive, but it can also be horrible if being overweight ends up killing you. substances such as food or drugs or anything else for that matter have no good or bad. the good or bad is a label used to describe the results of ingesting them. and that is something that can be completely different from one person to another. and what do you mean plato, etc, are wrong?

im saying that plato is correct in this area.
these are philosophical questions that have a different answer for different people. if you say drugs are not good OR bad then you must also say that food, sex and masturbation among others are also neither good or bad. if you believe this then no problems. but i believe that drugs, food, sex and other pleasurable things are intrinsically good for the person doing them.

EDIT: btw bluelight is now officially my favorite site. how many other forums can you actually have a philosophical discussion without it turning into a clusterfuck... seriously

 

[Vader]

^Head over to Philosophy and Spirituality, plenty of deep thinking to get your teeth into. And sex and masturbation are both human actions, not dumb substances, believing chemicals are amoral necessitates no view on the ethics of sex. Anyways, we're derailing this thread, maybe you should start a new one in P&S?