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I Have A Idea On Time Release home made Gel Capsules!

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bojangles33

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So I was thinking about this, I am going to a rave this week, and I am worried about getting powder in. I would much rather not take anything in because I do not want to get caught. (Obviously.) So I was going to do this as a way to have the full effects of a roll without redosing MDMA all night long at a huge rave.

I am thinking I am going to take one pill around 30 minutes before I get in the door. Just a regular gel capped filled pill that is about 200- 250mg. That way I have anticipation of waiting in line and the come up should start happening about the time I get in. I then was thinking about how I could make a gel cap time released. I though about using some kind of syrup like honey or olive oil. But then it hit me. I am thinking if I take a size one capsule, and fill it with about 300mg, I then take that capsule and put it in a size 00 or 0 capsule. I would then take that literally minutes before I walk through the door like in the car.

This way I would have to digest through two layers of gelcap, and it would also be taken staggered at a time. I am thinking this should last about about 3-4 hours without a "required redose" but certainly I know I would still want more. The first pill should last anywhere from 1-2 hours, and the second should keep it going for another 1.5 to 2.5 hours?

Thoughts?

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Neat idea. I think you would need some kind of time delayed capsule for the one in the middle.

Otherwise the breakdown of the two would not be so significant.

I dont know how long a capsule takes to break down but I can imagine under stomach acid not very long.

A time delayed capsule would be a better plan.

I dont know how easily available a time delayed capsule is.
 
I applaud the idea. However, Im fairly certain that your stomach acid would make quick work of both capsule as well as whatever honey/oil in which you suspended the MDMA, and you would be a mangled mess on the ground from the 400mgs of MDMA haha.

Ever try getting one of those gelatin capsules wet? They immediately start to break down. They wouldnt stand a chance. Are time released capsules avilable? (a quick google search suggests not)
 
So maybe.... there is something I can coat the smaller pill in, something not necessarily wet. Maybe a thin layered of dried chewing gum?gum takes a little while to brake down, I am walking about like a translucent layer of gum around it...?

What else might work with not making it wet but harder to digest. I know this might sound odd and out there, but there has to be something that you can wrap it in that keeps it dry for like at least 45mins or an hourish? it doesnt have to work forever, maybe like plastic wrap? Small amounts should be ok to digest since our stomach can technically dissolve just about anything right?
 
Or perhaps a some type of liquid to put in the first pill, the one that actually contains the MDMA so that you have to digest the liquid along with it? that would take longer since there is less surface area for your stomach acid to hit it.
 
Or perhaps a some type of liquid to put in the first pill, the one that actually contains the MDMA so that you have to digest the liquid along with it? that would take longer since there is less surface area for your stomach acid to hit it.
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Do you mean to dissolve the MDMA in a liquid? The liquid would destroy the gel cap.
 
Then what kind of caps would not get destroyed? because there are many medicines that come in not the two piece caps but the one piece and they have liquid within them?
 
Then what kind of caps would not get destroyed? because there are many medicines that come in not the two piece caps but the one piece and they have liquid within them?
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interesting question and observation. The gel caps I have experimented with when they get wet they go very mushey and fall apart.

There is obviousley a lot of different types out there. I wonder if there is a document anywhere that covers all the different types.
 
Read this apparently there are caplets that are different?
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Seems I am using the wrong terminology. A caplet is what is usually used for mdma etc and a gel cap is the type of thing that would contain omega 3 for example.

i wonder if the inside of a caplet is waterproof but not the outside?
 
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Folley said:
Seems kind of stupid to me lol... what happened to just sneaking it in? If you take the pill right before you get in the door you won't feel it for 30 minutes anyways
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This is Ideal OBVIOUSLY lol but I am just looking at the options. It is a pretty big event, so I am guessing they are going to have some big security, and apparently they do pat downs. I am having a friend go in without me to see how they pat down first. I am just kind of interested in the time release.
 
Seems some kind of coating is needed on the central cap. As to what coating you would use is difficult to figure out.

Some kind of varnish or paint that is edible might work. I wonder if nail varnish is non poisonous? just on the basis you might bite your nail etc the polymer would have to be relatively non poisonous.

Here is some more info i pulled out


http://www.badgut.org/information-centre/pill-coating-1.html

Medication coatings serve many purposes; they provide colour to establish brand identity, mask bitter taste, supply a hard cover for crumbly or brittle compounds so a medicine does not dissolve in the mouth, and increase product shelf life. Coatings vary in consistency and formulation to allow immediate, delayed, or sustained release, and targeted release.

Finishes can consist of blends of polymers, plasticizers, pigments, opacifiers, glidents, binders, anti-tacking agents, anti-foaming mechanisms, surfactants, fillers, and extenders.1

Various chemicals that need help getting past the stomach include those that are sensitive to moisture, degrade at different temperatures, stop working over time, are specifically vulnerable to gastric juices, or can cause damage to the stomach or other parts of the digestive tract.2

Enteric coating is valuable in placing a barrier over a medication to prevent it from dissolving until after it passes through the stomach. The word enteric means relating to, or being within the intestine. With an enteric coating, the medication releases depending on the pH value within the GI tract that initiates breakdown of the specific finish applied. The strategy of using pH as a trigger to achieve specific release of a product arises from the learning of pH variation along the GI tract.3
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I think it might be poisonous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nail_polish

Nail polish makers are under pressure to reduce or eliminate toxic ingredients, including phthalates, toluene, and formaldehyde. In September 2006, several makers agreed to phase out dibutyl phthalate, which has been linked to testicular problems in lab animals and humans, in updated formulations.[6] Some makers eliminated formaldehyde from their products, others still use it.[7]
 
bojangles33 said:
This is Ideal OBVIOUSLY lol but I am just looking at the options. It is a pretty big event, so I am guessing they are going to have some big security, and apparently they do pat downs. I am having a friend go in without me to see how they pat down first. I am just kind of interested in the time release.
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Soo... unless you were planning on coating your capsules with varnish or similar coatings... I would just say sneak the pill in. A pill is so fucking small... you can't find a place to hide that? Or just take it right before anyways, it still won't hit till you've been inside for a half hour
 
It would seem with a bit more reading there is a nail polish that is non toxic it is called piggy paint for mothers and kids.

As to how effective this would be in terms of allowing a time release on a capsule it would be a "try it and see" approach.

Before coating a cap in this way and swallowing it. Might be worth contacting the manufacturer to be 100% sure you can swallow it. However as it is marketed directly for kids I would be 99% sure you can swallow it without harm.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Piggy-P...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item19cf6f6962

So I think you have 3 options:

(1) Coat the central caplet in something to hold off break down such as non toxic nail varnish

(2) Purchase a caplet specifically for timed breakdown

(3) Purchase a medicine in time release caplets. remove the medicine and replace with MDMA

There is also evidence to suggest certain PH coatings can counteract the stomach acid but how you go about finding a PH weighted non toxic coating I dont know?

Also your idea of embedding the MDMA in gum in the central caplet might also work. In terms of what this does to break down I dont know.

Please be aware all this stuff is a bit experimental. Exercise care if you choose to tread this path.
 
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